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Can someone explain to me why the vatican broke protocol for (Original Post) niyad Apr 26 OP
What protocol? EX500rider Apr 26 #1
dress code Skittles Apr 26 #2
See post 7 niyad Apr 26 #9
Seems to be a lot of blue suits in the pics though EX500rider Apr 26 #24
apparently this was in regards to seating arrangements Skittles Apr 26 #32
It looks like he is sitting in the 1st row BigmanPigman Apr 26 #40
They were seated alphabetically, other than Argentina and Italy. nt sl8 Apr 26 #43
Damn, too bad we aren't Zaire. BigmanPigman Apr 27 #49
If you look at the pics there were several men wearing blue suits/jackets Meowmee Apr 27 #46
see Post 32 Skittles Apr 27 #47
President Biden was wearing a black suit, as every picture shows. niyad Apr 27 #53
It looks navy blue to me, and others said it was blue Meowmee Apr 27 #57
Looked black to me, and to nearly everyone who saw it . Colour perception niyad Apr 27 #62
See post 7 niyad Apr 26 #8
I've heard that navy blue is acceptable, but what hasn't been explained is how he got moved TheRickles Apr 26 #3
I'd read that as well. SheltieLover Apr 26 #5
I read that the first row was reserved for Catholic royalty. greatauntoftriplets Apr 26 #7
That was what some people expected, Ms. Toad Apr 26 #22
The Vatican said it would seat all royalty together and not differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic dflprincess Apr 26 #30
These are guide lines that a cardinal or bishop can alter. Jacson6 Apr 27 #72
That was NOT navy blue but a bright blue. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 26 #13
This photo looks like it was color-enhanced to appear bright blue, while the photo in Comment #34 is clearly navy blue TheRickles Apr 26 #17
The photos and video I've seen make it look bright blue, not navy. dflprincess Apr 26 #31
Yikes, had not even thought about his ugly, too-long, red tie. niyad Apr 27 #64
That's the "protocol" I was thinking about.. TY Cha Apr 26 #14
And that was the protocol I meant. niyad Apr 26 #16
"Protocol" is what is expected SCantiGOP Apr 26 #39
see post 7 niyad Apr 26 #44
I've been wondering as well malaise Apr 26 #4
Maybe he requested... littlemissmartypants Apr 26 #6
And she spent it at a funeral. .sitting next to her loving spouse. Perfect day. niyad Apr 26 #10
I feel badly for those with functioning olfactory senses BigmanPigman Apr 26 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 26 #11
They knew how to shut him up Red Mountain Apr 26 #12
I did see other blue suits, but they were darker shades. niyad Apr 26 #15
Can you really see someone telling him he can't come in? No i can't either. Srkdqltr Apr 26 #18
See post 7 niyad Apr 26 #19
They didn't. Ms. Toad Apr 26 #20
From what I had read on Friday, heads of state would be seated as you indicated. . niyad Apr 26 #23
That was the thinking in advance, by a number of people, Ms. Toad Apr 26 #45
Dang it. sl8 Apr 26 #25
If they did break protocol, it wasn't just for Trump. sl8 Apr 26 #21
Maybe the slob doesn't own a black suit? nt Jit423 Apr 26 #26
The want Satan front and center to compare. yourout Apr 26 #27
A strong possibility! niyad Apr 27 #51
Melania appeared to be trying to dress like Jackie Kennedy LisaM Apr 26 #28
Good point! Cha Apr 26 #35
Yeah, she kept reminding me of something... LisaM Apr 26 #38
I just looked it up... she a "practicing Roman Catholic".. Cha Apr 26 #41
Practicing for a role in the inquisition? niyad Apr 27 #65
I believe you are correct. niyad Apr 27 #50
I wonder, when the time comes, if they'll bury him in that stupid blue suit? red dog 1 Apr 26 #29
Last week would be nice. niyad Apr 27 #52
They put him in the front row so that he would be downwind of the important guests. Orrex Apr 26 #33
But of course!!! niyad Apr 27 #54
That's what I think. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 27 #69
Insanity Iamscrewed Apr 26 #34
Maybe they just felt like dobleremolque Apr 26 #36
There is that! niyad Apr 27 #55
Maybe they were grateful he didn't send Vance Warpy Apr 26 #37
Had not thought of that! niyad Apr 27 #56
Do we know that they did? Meowmee Apr 27 #48
Of all the things Trump has done I can't believe we are still talking about doc03 Apr 27 #58
It is about messaging. niyad Apr 27 #63
I suspected they'd tweak the arrangements as necessary Buns_of_Fire Apr 27 #59
True. niyad Apr 27 #67
Maybe it had something to do with getting Trump to sit down with Zelenski. N/T lapucelle Apr 27 #60
A most interesting point. niyad Apr 27 #68
It's the old joke: Where can a 500 pound Gorilla sit? tavernier Apr 27 #61
Snicker. I can just see the Vatican clean-up team with gallon jugs of niyad Apr 27 #66
Because the Church is a business and conservative Americans are its most lucrative customer. Midnight Writer Apr 27 #70
A most interesting point. niyad Apr 27 #71

Skittles

(163,891 posts)
32. apparently this was in regards to seating arrangements
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:10 PM
Apr 26

whatever it is about, Trump ALWAYS makes himself the topic of conversation

BigmanPigman

(52,951 posts)
40. It looks like he is sitting in the 1st row
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:14 PM
Apr 26

I read he would be in the 3rd row. I guess it's sort of like trying to seat all the Academy Awards celebrities....lots of egos need to be addressed in order to seat them.

sl8

(16,389 posts)
43. They were seated alphabetically, other than Argentina and Italy. nt
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:22 PM
Apr 26

Last edited Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:00 AM - Edit history (1)

BigmanPigman

(52,951 posts)
49. Damn, too bad we aren't Zaire.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 01:13 AM
Apr 27

He shouldn't even have been given a seat unless it was at the "kiddie table" in a different room. That would match his mental maturity...a 6 hear old, maybe even a 4 year old.

Meowmee

(8,940 posts)
46. If you look at the pics there were several men wearing blue suits/jackets
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:12 AM
Apr 27

Including Biden and Prince William.

niyad

(123,541 posts)
62. Looked black to me, and to nearly everyone who saw it . Colour perception
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:18 AM
Apr 27

is individual.

TheRickles

(2,715 posts)
3. I've heard that navy blue is acceptable, but what hasn't been explained is how he got moved
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:26 PM
Apr 26

From third row to first (normally reserved for royalty). Sorry that I cannot remember the source for this info.....

greatauntoftriplets

(177,566 posts)
7. I read that the first row was reserved for Catholic royalty.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:55 PM
Apr 26

The second for non-Catholic royalty, and the third for other dignitaries -- presidents, prime ministers, etc.

Ms. Toad

(36,769 posts)
22. That was what some people expected,
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:37 PM
Apr 26

Leading to speculation Trump was throwing his weight around. But that seating order was not what was used. Heads of states were in the first row, alphabetically according to their French names. I think the Catholic dignitaries may have been front row in a different side.

dflprincess

(28,791 posts)
30. The Vatican said it would seat all royalty together and not differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:02 PM
Apr 26

still doesn't explain Trump.

Jacson6

(1,192 posts)
72. These are guide lines that a cardinal or bishop can alter.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:20 PM
Apr 27

Beside Francis was all about inclusion that DJT hates.

dflprincess

(28,791 posts)
31. The photos and video I've seen make it look bright blue, not navy.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:09 PM
Apr 26

Maybe it depended on how the light was hitting it.

At least he didn't wear a red tie.

SCantiGOP

(14,445 posts)
39. "Protocol" is what is expected
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:09 PM
Apr 26

I can’t see anybody being turned away for a breech of the dress code.

littlemissmartypants

(27,446 posts)
6. Maybe he requested...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:38 PM
Apr 26

Being closer to the toilet.
S/

OT
It's Melania's 55th birthday today. Oh, well.

❤️

niyad

(123,541 posts)
10. And she spent it at a funeral. .sitting next to her loving spouse. Perfect day.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:02 PM
Apr 26

oh, and she has to fly back and forth with him.

BigmanPigman

(52,951 posts)
42. I feel badly for those with functioning olfactory senses
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:22 PM
Apr 26

being forced to sit near Mr. Farts A. Lot. PU!

I hope they had many scented tissues in their possession beforehand.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Red Mountain

(2,070 posts)
12. They knew how to shut him up
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:16 PM
Apr 26

and wanted the day to be about the funeral, not $trump and his ego.

He wore a blue suit. Not a terrible slight but noticeable where he was seated. Unique where he was seated, even.

Broader crowd view shows more blue suits.

They didn't do him any favors. Made him look like an asshole outlier.

Ms. Toad

(36,769 posts)
20. They didn't.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:33 PM
Apr 26

State leaders were seated in the first row, with Argentina first, and Italy second (for obvious reasons). After that, they were seated alphabetically, using their French names. In French, the United States begins with an E. Pretty close to the beginning of the alphabet.

niyad

(123,541 posts)
23. From what I had read on Friday, heads of state would be seated as you indicated. .
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:37 PM
Apr 26

but in the third row. Crowned heads, etc, first and second rows.

Ms. Toad

(36,769 posts)
45. That was the thinking in advance, by a number of people,
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:59 PM
Apr 26

But it turned out to be incorrect.

sl8

(16,389 posts)
25. Dang it.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:42 PM
Apr 26

I was writing essentially the same thing, but a few minutes behind you.

Curses - foiled again.

sl8

(16,389 posts)
21. If they did break protocol, it wasn't just for Trump.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:36 PM
Apr 26

There were plenty of other presidents in the front row other than Trump. They were arranged alphabetically (except for Argentina and Italy), by their country's French names ( e.g., "États-Unis", not "United States" ). Trump was seated with Estonia and Spain (Espagne) on one side of him and Finland and France on the other. The Spanish head (heads?) of state is royalty, the other three I mentioned are presidents.

LisaM

(29,138 posts)
28. Melania appeared to be trying to dress like Jackie Kennedy
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:55 PM
Apr 26

at JFK's funeral. She looked as if she were wearing widow's weeds, which seems wildly inappropriate.

LisaM

(29,138 posts)
38. Yeah, she kept reminding me of something...
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:06 PM
Apr 26

then it hit me. Surprised she didn't bring along a small child to salute the coffin.

Cha

(310,232 posts)
41. I just looked it up... she a "practicing Roman Catholic"..
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 11:17 PM
Apr 26

but she's heartless and soulless so that makes her a freaking world class Hypocrite

Iamscrewed

(199 posts)
34. Insanity
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:14 PM
Apr 26

Or just us. The rest of the world went nuts unfortunately we're along for the ride.

Meowmee

(8,940 posts)
48. Do we know that they did?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 12:15 AM
Apr 27

I saw one article mentioned here that said he would be in the third row, but was that coming from the Vatican?

doc03

(37,776 posts)
58. Of all the things Trump has done I can't believe we are still talking about
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:52 AM
Apr 27

a blue suit. It is not like he showed up dressed like Kid Rock. If he wore a black suit, he would still an asshole.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,395 posts)
59. I suspected they'd tweak the arrangements as necessary
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:14 AM
Apr 27

to ensure that this remained Pope Francis' day, not "American Shitstain Starts Riot at Pope's Funeral" day.

tavernier

(13,659 posts)
61. It's the old joke: Where can a 500 pound Gorilla sit?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:03 AM
Apr 27

Answer: Anywhere he wants.

Rump is an easily triggered lunatic with a grenade in his pocket. Best to keep him calm while around other humans and sprinkle the room with Holy Water once he leaves.

niyad

(123,541 posts)
66. Snicker. I can just see the Vatican clean-up team with gallon jugs of
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:28 AM
Apr 27

holy water spraying everything he came in contact with down.

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