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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(122,435 posts)
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:40 PM Apr 27

Going full Fascist - Trump Administration to Judges: 'We Will Find You'

The arrest of Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan over allegedly obstructing the apprehension of an undocumented immigrant is an attempt to intimidate the judiciary. You can just ask Attorney General Pam Bondi.

“What has happened to our judiciary is beyond me,” Bondi told Fox News, commenting on Dugan’s arrest. “They’re deranged. I think some of these judges think they are beyond and above the law, and they are not. We are sending a very strong message today: If you are harboring a fugitive, we don’t care who you are. If you are helping hide one, if you are giving a [gang] member guns, anyone who is illegally in this country, we will come after you, and we will prosecute you. We will find you.”

Bondi might have easily stuck to the specifics of Dugan’s case, insisting that her behavior was particularly egregious, and that Dugan’s indictment was about her individual conduct and not the judiciary as a whole. Indeed, in 2019, that’s precisely what the Donald Trump–appointed U.S. attorney Andrew Lelling did in a similar case, when a Massachusetts judge, Shelley Joseph, was indicted for allegedly helping an undocumented immigrant escape. But Bondi chose to do the opposite, implying that Dugan’s indictment was an attempt to intimidate the judiciary itself. The “message” is that judges who anger the administration will be prosecuted at Trump’s whim.

“The courts have a role in our constitutional system that they can only preserve if there’s an independent judiciary—that is to say, judges are free to make decisions without intimidation, without interference from the executive branch or the legislative, for that matter,” Geraldine Hines, a retired Massachusetts Supreme Court justice, told me. “This kind of prosecution is, in my view, and in the view of many of us who no longer sit on the bench, an effort to intimidate judges from playing their part in the constitutional order.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-judges-211448361.html

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Going full Fascist - Trump Administration to Judges: 'We Will Find You' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 27 OP
Post state police details Mountainguy Apr 27 #1
re: protection detail TnDem Apr 27 #5
Was there a warrent? Mountainguy Apr 27 #8
re: warrant TnDem Apr 27 #10
Wad there a warrent for arrest on the judge? Mountainguy Apr 27 #12
And besides that Mountainguy Apr 27 #9
re: no it won't TnDem Apr 27 #11
Is that going to be your stance Mountainguy Apr 27 #13
re: arrested TnDem Apr 27 #14
Isnt that basically threatening state and federal officials? SSJVegeta Apr 27 #2
Bring it B**ch, please excuse me if that's JCMach1 Apr 27 #3
What would happen to YOU or I if we threatened like this? bluestarone Apr 27 #4
Full fascist indeed Hekate Apr 27 #6
I hope the US Supreme Court is happy with their handiwork. Irish_Dem Apr 27 #7
It's been said that everyone has their price. Blondi's appears to be $25k Buns_of_Fire Apr 27 #15

Mountainguy

(1,791 posts)
1. Post state police details
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:43 PM
Apr 27

On every state judge. Tell them they are to protect the judges from all threats regardless of source.

TnDem

(761 posts)
5. re: protection detail
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:51 PM
Apr 27

Except it doesn't work like that at all. And you are also assuming that 1) All governors would do this, (most wouldn't) and some state police have already been involved with ICE warrants as it is.

If a Federal criminal warrant is being executed, you can be assured that no state police are going to get in a shoot 'em up with the feds over something they may even agree with.

TnDem

(761 posts)
10. re: warrant
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:33 PM
Apr 27

From what I understand, there was a deportation order in effect on this guy for over ten years which had nothing to do with his current charges.

No sane state official is going to buck the feds on something like this.

Mountainguy

(1,791 posts)
9. And besides that
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:29 PM
Apr 27

Who said anything about a gunfight?

Do you think federal agents are going to draw on a state police detail i stead of just coordinating with them on a surrender IF a legitimate warrant is issued?

I doubt it. But a detail will prevent shenanigans like arresting a judge on some BS to intimidate the judiciary.

TnDem

(761 posts)
11. re: no it won't
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 06:38 PM
Apr 27

The judge was arrested on a federal warrant for disruption of an official proceeding or "obstruction"...There could have been 500 state police or county deputies present and nothing was going to stop her arrest on federal charges. They simply don't have jurisdiction over a federal complaint.

Mountainguy

(1,791 posts)
13. Is that going to be your stance
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 07:48 PM
Apr 27

When federal agents start arresting democraric politicians?

SSJVegeta

(460 posts)
2. Isnt that basically threatening state and federal officials?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 04:48 PM
Apr 27

And intimidation? Isn't that against the law? And can she be charged by state attorney generals for doing this?

Irish_Dem

(69,171 posts)
7. I hope the US Supreme Court is happy with their handiwork.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 05:01 PM
Apr 27

The persecution of US judges.

And I also hope the SC realizes they are next on the list if they do not obey
Pam Bondi and her mob boss.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,395 posts)
15. It's been said that everyone has their price. Blondi's appears to be $25k
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:58 PM
Apr 27

by the "Trump Foundation":

The Trump Foundation-Pam Bondi scandal
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/the-trump-foundation-pam-bondi-scandal/

I really thought it would take a little more than that to buy off a state's Attorney General. Her fealty is now being rewarded, though.

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