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[Joinfortmill]

1. Wow.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. Someone forgot to tell the San Francisco Chronicle.

Or anyone else, for that matter.

https://news.google.com/search?for=fisherman%E2%80%99s+wharf&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%253Aen

METAL LEO seems to be not particularly reliable.

https://youtube.com/@LeoMetalTraveler

[Wiz Imp]

18. METAL LEO clearly has an agenda to paint all of California (but especially San Francisco) as a hell hole.

I have no idea what his motive is, but none of his video titles are true.

[JHB]

35. Monetization. His views jumped to 10 to 100 times what he was getting...

...when he was just doing travel- and event-videos.

[Wiz Imp]

42. Makes sense.

But it's a rather hateful way of making money - lying to the world that everything is all doom and gloom.

[cadoman]

46. well with respect to our Democracy it IS all gloom and doom

But I think we can all agree that California is resisting that evil better than most states. Democracy is in its DNA.

I suspect a lot of what is hurting the wharf is our Nazi immigration policy. No immigrants to work = no stores open.

[Wiz Imp]

49. Exactly. Perfectly put.

[cadoman]

44. very cool, you can see from the photos in the link that the place is hopping

Not sure what the video was supposed to be showing.

[Stinky The Clown]

3. A 30 min vid and no explanation. Can we get a clue s'ill vous plait?

merci

[EarthAbides]

4. Too few people have all the money

Income inequality at it's finest. And if the rich would pay their fair share of taxes imagine all the townhouses you could build here.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

9. It's expensive to live in SF, expensive to live anywhere in US

Sadly this shows people just do not have disposable income.

BUT I can tell you all those retail stores around SF Fisherman’s Whatf
were OVERBUILT.

I was there even BEFORE PIER 39 was built.

And since that time a lot of Fisherman’s Wharf retail areas
expanded beyond what it could support.

Sadly though Alioto’s was a KEY tenant, and that triggered
a chain reaction downward spiral, Pandemic hurt area,
Too many tourists stopped coming to spend money,
More and more tourists just do NOT buy from retail stores there.

I NEVER went to SF fisherman’s wharf,,,
That’s for the tourists.

[Biophilic]

30. I went to fisherman's wharf in the early 80's. Had a great time.

But, than, I was a tourist. Open to experiencing anything new I could. I was young and open to experiencing new things.

[kimbutgar]

5. Wow I was down there 6 months ago and it was thriving but there were closed shops

Alito’s closing was so heart breaking. My Grandfather used to say it was the only restaurant in the 20’s and 30’s that served minorities. And I loved the Tarantinos upstairs dining and views. That said Pier 39 is thriving and that giant Ferris wheel lawns has a line !

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

6. Sad, but video never shows a lot of Fisherman's Wharf at All.

Video has Nothing on PIER 39

Video has..
Nothing on the far Westside of area either
Nothing about Ghirardelli Square either.
Nothing about SCOMA’S
Nothing about the ships museum

I remember news when they closed down.
Alito’s used to be extremely crowded, with usually a wait too


Looks like..renovations at
https://www.nps.gov/safr/index.htm

Hyde Street Pier Closure
Date Posted: 10/25/2024Alert 2, Severity closure, Hyde Street Pier Closure
Hyde Street Pier and access to historic ships will be closed to public until further notice starting 11/04/2024 in preparation for Hyde Street Pier renovation work.

[mackdaddy]

7. The Tech Bros 'improved' SF before DOGE. Apparently this is the result.

All the same names from August of last year we are hearing daily now.

https://ksqd.org/sad-francisco-jd-vance-and-the-tech-bros-of-san-francisco-part-1/#gsc.tab=0

Now they are 'improving' the whole country...

[cally]

8. Very very sad

I have been visiting for 65 years as a long time Bay Area restaurant. A great aunt and uncle used to take us to Alioto’s for special occasions. More times I ate crab or shrimp cocktails from the outside vendors. As a young teen, I took a bus and cable car there with my best friend to Christmas shop. I even worked for awhile at a souvenir shop. So many memories and good times.

[cally]

10. Wait!, I don't believe this is true!

Just a quick search and it looks like SF closed some leases and plans re-development. I’m not sure it’s a good or bad idea but this video does not explain all this and nuance.

[Wiz Imp]

16. It's not true. The guy who did this video has an agenda to paint all cities in California as having gone to ruins.

I'm not sure what point he is trying to make, but it's not true.

[JI7]

19. There are a bunch of people making videos like that

and people fall for that shit.

I saw one recently where the idiot went into a store which was very empty and tried to say it was because California allowed theft.

Turns out it was a Rite Aid and their empty shelves is a nationwide issue because of bankruptcy.

[bdamomma]

11. Tell me

Yoshida, was this a gradual closing of all these iconic restaurants??? This is so sad. Cannery Row???? gone.

[Wiz Imp]

15. The video is BULLSHIT. Fisherman's Wharf is alive and well. (sure some places have closed and others are opening

to take their place)

https://www.google.com/search?q=fisherman%27s+wharf+is+not+closed&sca_esv=32f83a970e48c785&rlz=1C1SJWC_enUS1101US1101&sxsrf=AHTn8zrCzUMYJfGjPOuaWe3i5Wkxj_RmWg%3A1745793884967&ei=XLMOaMLiOqSk5NoPqaPWkA4&ved=0ahUKEwjCgPWCpfmMAxUkElkFHamRFeIQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=fisherman%27s+wharf+is+not+closed&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiH2Zpc2hlcm1hbidzIHdoYXJmIGlzIG5vdCBjbG9zZWQyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYnwUyBRAhGJ8FSKwVUABYshNwAHgAkAEAmAGkAaABsAmqAQQxMi4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAINoAKDCsICCxAuGIAEGJECGIoFwgIWEC4YgAQYFBiHAhjHARiYBRiZBRivAcICCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAgsQLhiABBjHARivAcICGhAuGIAEGJECGIoFGJcFGNwEGN4EGOAE2AEBwgIGEAAYFhgewgIIEAAYFhgKGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICCRAAGBYYyQMYHsICCxAAGIAEGJIDGIoFwgIFECEYqwKYAwC6BgYIARABGBSSBwQxMS4yoAfBcLIHBDExLjK4B4MK&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[Retrograde]

20. Cannery Row is in Monterey

about 100 miles and several counties south of SF. It died in the 1950s as a result of overfishing. It was being converted into a tourist trap about the time I moved here in the 70s. There’s a nice walking trail along the shoreline from downtown Monterey to Pacific Grove and the aquarium (do NOT go when the schools are out) but the area is mostly shops selling trash and mediocre food. The views are free, though, and you can see harbor seals and sea otters. Monterey has its own Fisherman’s Wharf that’s like SF’s was decades ago, and an actual working wharf where actual fishers bring their catch.

[Demobrat]

32. The Cannery is an old historic building that is now a shopping mall.

Down at the wharf.

[YoshidaYui]

25. The Pandemic didn't help AND NEITHER HAS TRUMP....

I LIVE AND WORKED at fisherman's Wharf at what used to be an ART gallery by the cable car turn around, I know the places he has gone to and believe me I know TRUMP is making it nearly impossible for TOURISTS to want to come to the city, not to mention FOX NEWS SHOWING stores and cars being broken into, Even if the crime has subsided, PEOPLE STILL DO not want to come to the city, We had many Candian visitors as well as people from Asia and Europe. TRUMP IS TURNING this country into a shit hole country and since tourism drives the city, its way down ... the prices here are still expensive and when the TARRIFFS go into effect , it will kill a lot of business...

[Wiz Imp]

12. Bullshit Video

The guy who made this video is obsessed with making misleading or outright fake videos like this. Some of his recent titles:

Berkeley is now a TOTAL ghost town
San Jose is now completely DESOLATED
downtown Portland EMPTY everyone left…
every store is CLOSED in HOLLYWOOD
every restaurant is CLOSED in San Francisco
every store is CLOSED in Sacramento
every store is CLOSED in Oakland
Every hotel is CLOSING in San Francisco downtown

I'm not sure what his agenda is, but I can assure you that none of those video titles are remotely close to being true representations of reality. It's all BULLSHIT!

[Retrograde]

24. "Nobody goes there - it's too crowded"

Attributed to Yogi Berra. Now, I haven't gone to San Francisco as much as I used to before the pandemic, but when I was in Golden Gate Park a week ago it seemed full of people. We had lunch at a very crowded restaurant a short walk from the park, and noticed a new Chinese place I'd like to try next time I'm in the neighborhood.

[JHB]

26. Yeah. Looking back, up to April 2023 it was all normal travel and events, but since June 2023...

...it's all "Everything's CLOSED", "Everything's wrecked!", featuring lots of selective shots and voiceovers.

"You ever see a cop guarding a Starbucks?" -- over a shot of a police officer outside a Starbucks having a coffee, with no sign that he's "guarding" anything.

And surprise, surprise, since he went negative, the number of views on his videos are 10 to 100 times more than he was getting previously. It's a business plan, baby!

[Retrograde]

39. cops gotta eat too

Many years ago I was having lunch at a now-defunct burger place near my house. Also eating there were police from 3 different cities and the Highway Patrol, between 10-12 total. We must have been having quite the crime wave!








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[Demobrat]

50. My favorite coffee shop is around the corner

from the police station. At certain times, when the shifts change, there will be half a dozen cops in uniform hanging out in there. I call it the safest place in San Francisco.

[Sibelius Fan]

13. Alioto's closed in 2020. It never reopened after closing during the pandemic.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Loved That Restaurant

Was there the first time as a little kid in 1965.
My dad took 2 weeks of vacation and drove to SF for a couple days, then drove PCH to the LA area where my dad had a bunch of relatives.
We drove home the southern route.
We went to Alioto's twice while there (my dad spoke Italian the whole time so we got phenomenal service).
We went back when I was 17 on a travel trailer trip.
I even drove from Stanford to SF a few times while at SRI just to eat at Alioto's.
Very fond memories. Sad to hear it's permanently closed.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

14. The City of SF screwed The Grotto

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/shuttered-fishermans-wharf-restaurants-lawsuit-19471022.php

[senseandsensibility]

17. I live near there

I watch the local news. Haven't heard anything like this.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

22. I've been going to The City since 1976, the wharf area too

I’ve seen PIER 39 built into tourist Mecca.

I’ve seen the once SF wharf of few shops, turn into retail hell.
Full of trinkets stuff.

There at one time was lots of ART work retail stores,
Nicer stores, nicer crowds. and quirky street entertainment
Street entertainment that one really really enjoyed.

The steam of the cooking crab,
The street food, relatively inexpensive.

But then the CRAPPY stuff invaded.
Cheap and cheaper crap being hawked at retail stores,
The McDonalds crowds, not to sit-down nice restaurant types.
Too many shitty cheap restaurants
But still Scoma’s SF remained,

Alioto’s demise was the final nail in the street area retail going from
The famous SF Wharf sign, west down to the Maritime Museum.

And the shuttered restaurants and shops on that street ,
Essentially from Boudin SF, down the street to Hyde Street Pier

And the homeless surge.

WELL MAYBE ITS AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY ITS ALL BOARDED UP

There are still retail shops and some restaurants on that street

[Demobrat]

29. I live in North Beach and shop at the Trader Joe's down there.

I walk over to Aquatic Park and over the hill to Fort Mason often. It’s busy all the time. Sure, Aliotos and Castagnolas are gone, closed during Covid, but Pier 39 is hopping. Doesn’t look gone to me.

[PlanetBev]

23. I was there at the end of June last year

It was busy with tourists and crowded as hell. Yes, there were some closed restaurants but the ones that were open were full. Did this suddenly happen overnight?

Also, I’m from Los Angeles. I felt a lot safer in San Francisco.

[senseandsensibility]

28. Shhh

You're not following the hate SF narrative.

[Demovictory9]

27. I wonder how Pier 39 is doing. that's where I went last time I was in SF.

[Demobrat]

31. It's always busy. I walk over to check out the sea lions often.

Sometimes there are so many tourists I can’t get near the railing so I just leave them to it.

[YoshidaYui]

33. i was out there not long ago and was totally disappointed

that my favorite NFL shop was gone, and replaced with a ball cap place, so where was I gonna buy my RAIDER gear? The RAIDERS website, and maybe Amazon. My favorite seafood restaurant at the end of pier thirty nine where I once had a whole lobster and whole Dungeness crab at the same time was totally gone,. Many of the shops have had low business... some have shut down while others try to survive.

IT DOESNT help when FOX news haters, show people breaking into one car after the other to steal stuff, or breaking into stores and smash and grab stuff like jewlry, athletic shoes or clothing.. and just walking out of the stores. ITS gotten beter with the police but all people see is that smash and grab stuff

Trump is not making things any better, becasue he is hating on Canada and Mexico , tourists from there do not come any more, We had many Vancouerites visiting, not any more thanks to TRUMP , and with him deporting people left and right he is killing the tourist business.

wait till his TARRIFFS go into effect, he will really kill businesses than.

[Demovictory9]

40. Oh thats sad. I was there right before Covid. News shows that the big fancy sf mall has emptied out

[bif]

36. Maybe this post should be removed?

Since it appears to be fake?

[AZLD4Candidate]

37. This troll's youtube is all about the horrors of living in Democratic cities.

[Demovictory9]

41. Theres a guy who does that to LA too

[Wiz Imp]

45. This guy made some "LA is a hell hole" videos as well.

His main target has been San Francisco, but he's also attacked:

San Jose
Berkeley
Oakland
Reno
Portland
Santa Cruz
Los Angeles
Hollywood
Sacramento

[Callie1979]

53. My wife & I go to West Hollywood & Beverly Hills every year.

We love visiting there.
You can find problems in ANY large city. And yes, policies can make things worse but even where we live full time there are problems. Just know where NOT to go.

[NBachers]

38. I'm one of those San Franciscans who actually goes frequently to Fisherman's Wharf. This is bullshit.

[electric_blue68]

43. I'd go back, and visit SF if I could. Had a wondetful time waaay back.

[Wiz Imp]

47. Perfect comment I found from someone on one of this guys other videos:

Cherrypicked video that tries to pretend SF is the only city where remote work and covid didn't shutter a ton of joint in business districts. You can safely ignore that video and block the youtuber. Republicans love to hate on San Fran. It's their #1 boogey man so keep that in mind next time.

tl;dr: You fell for clickbait.

[Liberal In Texas]

48. Well, that's sad about Alioto's. I remember eating there with our family in the early 1960s.

As I remember it, it was a very cool place.

[Earthrise]

51. This is manipulative bullshit - you know Fox and it's ilk LOVE this!

[Basso8vb]

52. I'm not clicking on that dumbfuck's video links.