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Chasstev365

(5,399 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:48 PM Tuesday

Someone's Presidential Aspirations are Severely Damaged

A 2028 opponent can say, "You literally embraced Trump." And, "Trump inspired militia members try to kidnap you Governor Whitmer, and you cozy up to him?"

https://www.rawstory.com/gretchen-whitmer-2671865397/

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Someone's Presidential Aspirations are Severely Damaged (Original Post) Chasstev365 Tuesday OP
What the Rebl2 Tuesday #1
Stockholm Syndrome? Death threats? ananda Tuesday #9
Like a lot of other Dems, saving her own ass at the expense of ours. Sweet, huh? mucholderthandirt Wednesday #38
Well, there's this soldierant Wednesday #49
Trump always has a quid pro quo in mind. He is never "nice" for free. Ocelot II Tuesday #2
Looks like Rebl2 Tuesday #15
It's another case of overreading the 2024 results. tman Tuesday #3
Dood said he found "common ground" with this bigot. wolfie001 Tuesday #12
Absolutely! Chasstev365 Tuesday #4
Toast RandySF Tuesday #5
Read the email I posted from Bernie, entitled "Moderation" usonian Tuesday #6
video Celerity Tuesday #7
WTF... Sky Jewels Tuesday #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Tuesday #18
I hope she doesn't end up on fox Renew Deal Tuesday #19
disappointed Skittles Tuesday #8
"Governor Gretchen Whitmer, her 2028 calendar clearing rapidly . . . . " hatrack Tuesday #10
Yeah BlueSpot Tuesday #24
Well, if she's gonna hug him up, I gotta go find somebody else to vote for. calimary Wednesday #25
From the video above it looks like ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Wednesday #30
She's the governor of the state, and an adult . . . hatrack Wednesday #31
This is the second time she didn't see the obvious coming HAB911 Wednesday #33
There was no reason for her to show up at all. travelingthrulife Wednesday #46
Someone is required to say "dead to me" in 3 - 2 - 1 Hekate Tuesday #11
I am now open to suggestions Keepthesoulalive Wednesday #27
I'm really surprised how quickly she and Newsome imploded ... Sky Jewels Tuesday #13
Better for it to happen now than later. Scrivener7 Wednesday #32
Yes, that's true. Sky Jewels Wednesday #37
If you are going to harp on a Democrat, at least get their name right. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #44
Newsom's "implosion" is TBD. maxsolomon Wednesday #53
Politics... Billsdaughter Tuesday #16
Even if true angrychair Tuesday #20
Apparently, getting the fighter jet build Billsdaughter Tuesday #22
I'm sure the innocent people angrychair Tuesday #23
It's called ignorance. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #29
No Keepthesoulalive Wednesday #28
She will have to pay trump bigly for any favors. travelingthrulife Wednesday #47
olbermann's take and mine orleans Tuesday #17
The reality is soldierant Tuesday #21
That's what I fear, too. And I don't like it, either. calimary Wednesday #26
Thank you. soldierant Wednesday #48
I hate it too, but it's a fact we have to face. Scrivener7 Wednesday #35
Thanks - soldierant Wednesday #50
That's what I think, too, and it really pains me because it's going to take a woman to clean up this mess. Vinca Wednesday #36
Much thanks. soldierant Wednesday #51
Yup RJ-MacReady Wednesday #34
She's doing what she needs to do to help Ilsa Wednesday #39
Ultimately Billsdaughter Wednesday #40
A little harsh, I think. kentuck Wednesday #41
Here's the reality: Whitmer was never going to be president anyway. BannonsLiver Wednesday #42
It was a handshake Trump tried to turn into an embrace HereForTheParty Wednesday #43
I thought she was one of our bright stars. jalan48 Wednesday #45
So she crushed it as governor Sympthsical Wednesday #52
The sudden involuntary reflex kick to the topic was not unexpected Torchlight Wednesday #54

Ocelot II

(124,526 posts)
2. Trump always has a quid pro quo in mind. He is never "nice" for free.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:52 PM
Tuesday

I hope Whitmer hasn't sold out somehow.

tman

(1,188 posts)
3. It's another case of overreading the 2024 results.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 07:55 PM
Tuesday

Terrible judgement combined with unhealthy presidential ambition is a very strange thing to see.

It started with Newsom.

wolfie001

(4,811 posts)
12. Dood said he found "common ground" with this bigot.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:58 PM
Tuesday

Kirk said he wouldn't fly on an airplane if the pilot was black because: DEI. Freakingly unbelievable!



Did Gavin spend hours in the makeup chair to get that polished look?! What a man! All of us schlubs can so relate to that.

usonian

(17,373 posts)
6. Read the email I posted from Bernie, entitled "Moderation"
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:07 PM
Tuesday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/13243179

Short of it:

While members of the Democratic Establishment have occasionally applauded our efforts on the road, a number of them and their corporate media backers are becoming increasingly nervous. They warn their followers that progressives shouldn’t be taken too seriously, that we are “far left,” “extreme” and “out of touch” with American society.

According to these politicians, analysts, media pundits and wealthy campaign donors, the future of the Democratic Party lies in “moderation.” We shouldn’t be talking about oligarchy. We shouldn’t be talking about massive income and wealth inequality. We shouldn’t be talking about the unprecedented concentration of corporate ownership that exists. We shouldn’t be talking about the need to build the trade union movement. We shouldn’t be talking about a corrupt campaign finance system that allows billionaires in both parties to control the political process. We shouldn’t be talking about corporate control of the media.

According to these leaders of the Democratic Establishment, the path forward is to continue doing exactly what they have been doing for the last 10 years. In other words, tell the world how bad Donald Trump is while continuing to defend a rigged and corrupt economic and political system that makes the rich richer, while working families fall further and further behind.

From one end of our country to the other -- in red states, blue states, purple states -- working families, the younger generation, seniors, and the poor are desperately looking for a new and bold vision for America’s future.


Response to Celerity (Reply #7)

calimary

(86,064 posts)
25. Well, if she's gonna hug him up, I gotta go find somebody else to vote for.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:44 AM
Wednesday

A handshake would have been enough, girlfriend.

30. From the video above it looks like ...
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 04:31 AM
Wednesday

... she held out her hand and he pulled her in for the hug. She did not seem to initiate it.

She did not knee him in the nads, but she did not hug him. Just nervously open hand patted his shoulder. Possibly tapping out of the clench.

Or so it looked to me.

I am not sure she would have had the option to not meet him when he decided to come.

And she may have needed to be at the base to ensure her constituents got the money.

I am not seeing she had any choice in any of this.

hatrack

(62,322 posts)
31. She's the governor of the state, and an adult . . .
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 06:16 AM
Wednesday

So yeah, she had the option to not go, but she went.

The end.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,236 posts)
27. I am now open to suggestions
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 02:44 AM
Wednesday

For someone else to be the presidential candidate in the next election. Don’t give him a photo op.
There’s a man rotting in a prison in a South American death camp and children being deported. Stop kissing his fat ass, we need leaders who will stand up and defend all the people and their constitutional rights.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
13. I'm really surprised how quickly she and Newsome imploded ...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 09:59 PM
Tuesday

Hopefully someone with courage and charisma will step forward and lead us in the grand fight against fascism and authoritarianism and oligarchy.

maxsolomon

(36,456 posts)
53. Newsom's "implosion" is TBD.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:43 PM
Wednesday

He has both courage and charisma, and 2028 is a very long time from now.

You may not vote for him, but it probably won't be up to you.

Billsdaughter

(8 posts)
16. Politics...
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:03 PM
Tuesday

Makes for strange bedfellows.

Whitmer just secured a contract to bring desperately needed revenue and economic growth to Michigan. That's far more important than getting down in a ditch with a troglodyte.

Looks like Big Gretch's game of rope-a-dope was a huge success.








angrychair

(10,572 posts)
20. Even if true
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:27 PM
Tuesday

That doesn't require her to meet him on the airport tarmac or speak at his event. That is completely insane. Do you realize what he is doing? This is, at best, tone deaf. At worse it's compitulation.

Billsdaughter

(8 posts)
22. Apparently, getting the fighter jet build
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:57 PM
Tuesday

DID require her to do just that: meet him on the tarmac, say a few words and walk off in exchange for billions in revenue and growth. That's called bringing home the bacon or pork as they say.

She never mentioned him by name in her brief statement to the crowdd but instead doubled down on her support for our military. In a room of MAGAs.

I'm impressed.



angrychair

(10,572 posts)
23. I'm sure the innocent people
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 11:41 PM
Tuesday

He is sending to torture prisons understand. I'm sure I'm sure all the people about to lose Medicaid understand.
I'm sure the tens of thousands of people that will die due to cuts of research grants understand.
Money talks, poor people die.

W_HAMILTON

(8,941 posts)
29. It's called ignorance.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 02:57 AM
Wednesday

No MAGA will support her, whatever "bringing home the bacon" she thought she did will inevitably be held over her head long enough that she will need to continue to kiss the ass of the most unpopular president ever at this point in his term, and with projects such as those, she could have just held out till Democrats regained power and most likely secured the same sort of arrangement, without all the fascist strings attached.

She probably already killed her presidential hopes when she was photographed in the White House hiding her face because Trump and his MAGAts were treating her like a useful idiot, but if that didn't seal the deal, this sure did.

And whatever """bacon""" she is bringing home, even if she does manage to continue kissing Trump's ass for it to actually materialize, it inevitably won't come close to the unfortunate significance of her cozying up to a wannabe dictator.

Her hopes for achieving higher office have been snuffed out with her deplorable performance post-Trump inauguration.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,236 posts)
28. No
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 02:46 AM
Wednesday

She gave him legitimacy, she needs to stand for our rights and freedoms which he is eroding.

orleans

(35,957 posts)
17. olbermann's take and mine
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:08 PM
Tuesday
https://bsky.app/profile/olbermann.bsky.social/post/3lnyas4bq4k2t

olbermann: Poor Gretchen's future is now reduced to co-hosting a podcast with
@gavinnewsom.bsky.social

keith reposted aaron ruper who wrote; Trump invites Gretchen Whitmer to speak. She avoids praising Trump, but says "I am so grateful that this announcement was made today" and shakes hands with him (48 second video included in the post)

but here's the first thing i thought of:



soldierant

(8,448 posts)
21. The reality is
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:47 PM
Tuesday

that no woman is going to win a Presidential election in the United States for a very long tome yet. Probably not in the lifetime of anyone currently alive.

I hate it that that is true. But I'm also clear-sighted enough to see that it is.

And I hate even more seeing brilliant and vapable women lose their careers and legacies because they accepted the nomination for the Presidency.

Misogyny exists. I don't like it, but truth is truth. If we aren't willing to actively do anything about it, it will continue to exist. And we Democrats will continue to destroy our finest women.

Big Gretch probably just saved herself from that fate.

calimary

(86,064 posts)
26. That's what I fear, too. And I don't like it, either.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:55 AM
Wednesday

It should have been Hillary in 2016. I STILL think she would have made a terrific President. So would Kamala, eight years later, dammit. But that's over, too. I don't see anybody coming up who looks like a good possibility. And now, Hillary's too old and probably doesn't even want it anymore. She doesn't deserve the punishment or abuse or disrespect, either, and I sure can agree with that.

But boy-oh-boy did we miss something REALLY great. HISTORICALLY great. Right now I can't think of anybody on the horizon who could do it, but then again, I can't really see any MEN who seem acceptable, either.

soldierant

(8,448 posts)
48. Thank you.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:08 PM
Wednesday

I can't tell you how good it is to read these responses. I've been feeling like a voice crying in the wilderness. And I know it's hard to say this for fear of being called a misogynist. But pointing out that misogyny exists is not itself misogyny. Instead, it's the only way out of misogyny.

Scrivener7

(55,553 posts)
35. I hate it too, but it's a fact we have to face.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 07:24 AM
Wednesday

We underestimated the sexism among Democrats, then we saw it in action with all of those who stayed home both in 2016 and 2024.

We can't make that mistake again.

soldierant

(8,448 posts)
50. Thanks -
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:18 PM
Wednesday

I can't tell you how good it is to read these responses. I've been feeling like a voice crying in the wilderness. And I know it's hard to say this for fear of being called a misogynist. But pointing out that misogyny exists is not itself misogyny. Instead, it's the only way out of misogyny.

Vinca

(51,991 posts)
36. That's what I think, too, and it really pains me because it's going to take a woman to clean up this mess.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 07:37 AM
Wednesday

soldierant

(8,448 posts)
51. Much thanks.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:19 PM
Wednesday

I can't tell you how good it is to read these responses. I've been feeling like a voice crying in the wilderness. And I know it's hard to say this for fear of being called a misogynist. But pointing out that misogyny exists is not itself misogyny. Instead, it's the only way out of misogyny.

Ilsa

(62,739 posts)
39. She's doing what she needs to do to help
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 10:27 AM
Wednesday

the people of her state. I'm not holding this episode against her when every other pol has kissed his almighty stinking ass.

My only regret is that she wasnt able to scratch and infect him with flesh-eating bacteria.

Billsdaughter

(8 posts)
40. Ultimately
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:04 PM
Wednesday

Governance and politics are very different yet exist in the same space. What we saw from Gretch is governance. Beautifully executed. I'm sure all folks in Michigan are thankful for the economic stimulation.

kentuck

(113,652 posts)
41. A little harsh, I think.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:09 PM
Wednesday

But, Democrats should have learned a lesson by now.

"Everything Trump touches, dies."

Avoid contact with him as you would the plague.

BannonsLiver

(19,065 posts)
42. Here's the reality: Whitmer was never going to be president anyway.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 12:22 PM
Wednesday

I know she’s a DU Darling but it was never going to happen with or without the hug.

HereForTheParty

(866 posts)
43. It was a handshake Trump tried to turn into an embrace
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:09 PM
Wednesday

He was half successful. I don't know what else she could have done unless maybe not be there to greet him in the first place.

jalan48

(14,861 posts)
45. I thought she was one of our bright stars.
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 01:16 PM
Wednesday

The photo of her hiding her face behind some folders when she realized Trump was using her for a photo op, will tarnish her political career for ever.

Sympthsical

(10,502 posts)
52. So she crushed it as governor
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:36 PM
Wednesday

And because she hi to the bad man, she’s a non-starter?

This is why we fail.

I thought 2024 would teach us we have to stop prioritizing the performative over everything else. (Where the theme was joy for some reason. What in the Oprah was going on over there . . .)

But alas. People want to double down on it, I guess. We’re just not going to learn, are we? Our politics are being run by social media performance culture and it kills us. Because the average voter doesn’t live on cable news and Blue Sky all day everyday.

Prioritizing that shallow sensibility is a turn off to everyone except the people who already live there.

We are willing to throw capable people with proven track records off a cliff because they’re giving the internet a sad.

It would be ridiculous if it wasn’t so simultaneously devastating to our cause.

Torchlight

(4,572 posts)
54. The sudden involuntary reflex kick to the topic was not unexpected
Wed Apr 30, 2025, 05:45 PM
Wednesday

But still disheartening.

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