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edhopper

(35,860 posts)
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:24 AM 12 hrs ago

2026, I simply don't trust the voters to turn over Congress to the Dems.

Too many gerrymandered Red States, too many safe GOP seats in the Senate.
Too many voters who don't connect what Trump is doing and the complicity of Congress in all of this.
Too many voters who will continue to vote because of stopping gun laws or blocking abortion over the future of the country (or their own lives.
And as of yet, I do not see Democratic leaders making a case for the Party.

And before you jump on me about my responsibility to do something to make sure we win, we just got through an election in which nothing I did gave us a victory in the White House or Congress. So maybe I am not the problem. Maybe just me doing more isn't the answer.

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2026, I simply don't trust the voters to turn over Congress to the Dems. (Original Post) edhopper 12 hrs ago OP
I understand your sentiment. Ferrets are Cool 12 hrs ago #1
I don't trust the American FoxNews Voters Mr.Bee 10 hrs ago #46
I don't trust the tabulators BonnieJW 9 hrs ago #54
Never trust the voters, never take them for granted. Democrats will always need to work hard. This is not news. . nt Bernardo de La Paz 12 hrs ago #2
Tell that to the leaders edhopper 12 hrs ago #13
All the hand-wringing in the world will not change the fact.... walkingman 12 hrs ago #3
Do Town halls gab13by13 12 hrs ago #4
Agree Abstractartist 12 hrs ago #5
Democrats are gaining lots of ground in the suburbs WSHazel 12 hrs ago #6
Hmmm Abstractartist 10 hrs ago #36
Another "chase the white working class voter" Fetterman-style crusade WSHazel 10 hrs ago #52
There are Dinos in every age group. yorkster 12 hrs ago #8
Agree Abstractartist 10 hrs ago #38
Agree as long as we don't force out yorkster 10 hrs ago #50
It's only going to take a handful of seats to give the Dems a majority Fiendish Thingy 12 hrs ago #7
It just may be a catastrophic economic event to bring people to their senses. Katinfl 9 hrs ago #53
I agree I also think that if we do when in 2026 that we need a different strategy Tribetime 12 hrs ago #9
I'd Be Happy If Dems Took The Opportunity modrepub 12 hrs ago #10
The American voter has lost the trust of the world Johonny 12 hrs ago #11
if dems can take the hose, which i doubt rampartd 12 hrs ago #12
If a President could cancel an election it seems like it would have happened by now n/t Shrek 10 hrs ago #37
precedent? rampartd 10 hrs ago #40
There is always the first time. Katinfl 9 hrs ago #56
If trump continues like now, we should do well in midterms. If not, maybe it's time for a huge purge within the party Silent Type 12 hrs ago #14
What message? edhopper 10 hrs ago #25
Totally agree. We should have developed a Democratic Project 2026/2028 immediately after losing election and Silent Type 10 hrs ago #31
Yell? edhopper 10 hrs ago #41
Yep. Or, Schumer standing in the well of an empty senate chamber late at night unenthusiastically reading from Silent Type 10 hrs ago #43
Or the strongly worded letter he sent to trump. Katinfl 9 hrs ago #57
I plan on working a little harder, donate a little more and hope the current guy continues down the road he is on. multigraincracker 11 hrs ago #15
I think we will take the House relatively easily, but not the Senate EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #16
Tend to agree. It would be huge to take House. I'm from Georgia and really worried about Ossoff. Although I'll Silent Type 11 hrs ago #17
We have no idea .... Escape 11 hrs ago #18
I don't trust the tabulators on voting machines that Musk said were so easy to hack. I believe he did just that and that rainy 11 hrs ago #19
BINGO! Kid Berwyn 10 hrs ago #21
The result was a dictatorship that "disappeared" opponents and established a thieving oligarchy. SharonAnn 10 hrs ago #39
I visited Chile in 2019... Kid Berwyn 10 hrs ago #51
Don't know, but her failure to demand a recount in any swing state (hand count). Dan 10 hrs ago #33
The theft was just over the automatic recount margin rainy 1 hr ago #62
Her campaign could have paid for a hand recount. Dan 1 hr ago #63
Yeah, let's prepare for the 2026 midterms with the mindset that we lost because of Musk, when there is no evidence Silent Type 10 hrs ago #35
It will be a fight Nigrum Cattus 11 hrs ago #20
This is exactly what the world sees the_liberal_grandpa 10 hrs ago #22
I hear you. You give up. Ok. Martin68 10 hrs ago #23
So if we lose it's because of me? edhopper 10 hrs ago #26
Did I say that? Martin68 10 hrs ago #27
Pretty much edhopper 10 hrs ago #42
That is clearly NOT what the OP said. AllyCat 10 hrs ago #30
Within a year the willful destruction of the United States will be of... NNadir 10 hrs ago #24
We've had blue waves before, it usually depends on how bad things are economically. sop 10 hrs ago #28
If there is an election... WSHazel 10 hrs ago #34
I don't either. I STILL hear people say things like: AllyCat 10 hrs ago #29
The thing about that is edhopper 10 hrs ago #44
I know that. You know that. AllyCat 9 hrs ago #55
Yes edhopper 8 hrs ago #60
Don't Despair Haru 10 hrs ago #32
I am not edhopper 10 hrs ago #45
Most voters vote on whim or to conform with their neighbors. Ping Tung 10 hrs ago #47
1000% it's finding other amplication networks and food messaging uponit7771 10 hrs ago #48
Don't know if this means much for other states . . . AverageOldGuy 10 hrs ago #49
Democrats not really campaigning for this, watching their approval ratings get worse lees1975 9 hrs ago #58
Interesting. BannonsLiver 8 hrs ago #59
I don't trust there will be free & fair elections, or that we'll have them at all. Martin Eden 7 hrs ago #61
+100 nt WarGamer 1 hr ago #64
77 Million stupid people. PhilosopherKing 1 hr ago #65

Ferrets are Cool

(22,142 posts)
1. I understand your sentiment.
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:27 AM
12 hrs ago
We worked our asses off and gave $$ like never before, and we still don't have a female president. It is depressing to know that the most important election in the world can be stolen.

Mr.Bee

(640 posts)
46. I don't trust the American FoxNews Voters
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:03 PM
10 hrs ago

We could've had a president with four years experience in an administration!
An experienced prosecutor who could've gone after this dirty rat dictator and his minions.
Instead they vote for the dirty rat dictator and his minions.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,105 posts)
2. Never trust the voters, never take them for granted. Democrats will always need to work hard. This is not news. . nt
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:29 AM
12 hrs ago

edhopper

(35,860 posts)
13. Tell that to the leaders
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:03 AM
12 hrs ago

who seem to think sitting back and letting Trump fail is a good strategy.

walkingman

(9,160 posts)
3. All the hand-wringing in the world will not change the fact....
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:32 AM
12 hrs ago

it is hard to change nasty white people.

gab13by13

(27,888 posts)
4. Do Town halls
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:33 AM
12 hrs ago

Democrats should take notice of the MSNBC town hall last night, it was very effective.

Abstractartist

(230 posts)
5. Agree
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:33 AM
12 hrs ago

Stop funding DINO candidates. Bring in candidates that are younger, more progressive and can relate to the growing population of this country. I used to cringe when I heard President Biden say “malarkey”. Younger generation can’t relate to the older candidates. The can relate to AOC and Jasmine…..

WSHazel

(376 posts)
6. Democrats are gaining lots of ground in the suburbs
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:40 AM
12 hrs ago

And you want those voters to go away? Interesting strategy.

Abstractartist

(230 posts)
36. Hmmm
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:47 AM
10 hrs ago

So there are no young, progressive voters in the suburbs… just old republicans right?

So your idea is to stay with the Schumer’s and the Pelosi’s….

WSHazel

(376 posts)
52. Another "chase the white working class voter" Fetterman-style crusade
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:06 PM
10 hrs ago

Where did that get us?

Pelosi was a great Speaker and great at protecting her caucus, although still willing to take risks like the ACA. Pelosi was also great at working with the Left to deliver on progressive causes while keeping the moderates on board. I like Hakeem Jefferies, but I truly wish Pelosi was 20 years younger. She was the GOAT.

Democrats are picking up huge ground in the suburbs with college educated professionals. We turn the Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia suburbs just a little more blue, and we will never lose any of those three states again. Or we can slug it out with Trump in Johnstown PA and see where that gets us. Every pander we need to make to squeeze another white working class voter away from Trump costs us 5 votes in the suburbs. Suburban college educated professional voters are liberal on social issues, but don't want to hear "eat the rich". Ironically, the MAGA voters love "eat the rich" even as they vote for billionaires. Good luck coming up with a strategy that will win any meaningful amount of those voters without driving off everyone else.

If there were enough progressives to win on progressives alone, Trump would have never won in the first place.

Abstractartist

(230 posts)
38. Agree
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:50 AM
10 hrs ago

Agree, but an older age group are not going to be the future voters or leaders of our party. Recruit younger voters and leaders now in order to defeat this scourge of right wing zealots ASAP.

yorkster

(3,009 posts)
50. Agree as long as we don't force out
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:05 PM
10 hrs ago

strong, liberal Dems. We will need all the experience and institutional memory we can get to reassemble the administrative state now in a state of ever-increasing ruin.
Of course we want to encourage participation in government from younger,
committed Dems. The "two Justins" from Tennessee come to mind, for example.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,196 posts)
7. It's only going to take a handful of seats to give the Dems a majority
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:42 AM
12 hrs ago

While gerrymandering indeed gives republicans a solid floor of seats they can count on, it’s not enough to give them a majority, as we have seen.

If the predicted recession appears later this year, Dems are certain take back the house.

If there is a catastrophic economic event, such as the collapse of SS or draconian cuts to Medicaid, I think Dems could get a supermajority in the house, and retake the senate as well.

Katinfl

(351 posts)
53. It just may be a catastrophic economic event to bring people to their senses.
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:15 PM
9 hrs ago

I have always believed that “something” bad will have to happen to make people care about who is elected. The state of our national security , or lack thereof, will be a big factor. IMO

Tribetime

(6,524 posts)
9. I agree I also think that if we do when in 2026 that we need a different strategy
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:49 AM
12 hrs ago

I just don't think we will be able to hold a majority for more than 2 years or so since the real problem is Fox News and such. Somehow we need to win over voters for good so they can see with their own eyes what the problem is. I don't know if that means continuously going on Fox News to make oubr case or something like that

modrepub

(3,829 posts)
10. I'd Be Happy If Dems Took The Opportunity
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:52 AM
12 hrs ago

to put the needs of areas and businesses that put revenue into the country. It's pretty apparent to me that lots of states are takers at the federal level. Need to get commitments to contribute before you receive. If a state incentives business locations with massive tax cuts and payouts, then federal money is deducted. If states/counties/parishes want federal money to pay for things then make them put up some of their funds with a generous match.

Too many people and businesses in this country don't seem to have any idea how their tax money is collected and spent. Make it more public, this is how much federal tax money each state and project receives and this is how your state and local government paid in. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of giving handouts to ungrateful businesses and people. If you want low taxes and small government that's fine, but live with the consequences of your beliefs and keep your hands out of the rest of our pockets.

Johonny

(23,489 posts)
11. The American voter has lost the trust of the world
Fri May 2, 2025, 09:58 AM
12 hrs ago

And should have. There is no sane explanation for a Trump vote. He was an awful president, a convicted felon, a man that has been proven in court to commit fraud, he is also stupid, vain, and amazingly incompetent.

Yet people loved his message of easy solutions and racism. It will take a lot to win the world's trust. For Harris voters, there is no reason to trust these people. They seem completely out of their mind.

rampartd

(1,840 posts)
12. if dems can take the hose, which i doubt
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:01 AM
12 hrs ago

trump will cancel the elections.

if 30% of americans want to enslave and enserf themselves, it seems the rest of us can not stop it.

Shrek

(4,250 posts)
37. If a President could cancel an election it seems like it would have happened by now n/t
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:50 AM
10 hrs ago

Katinfl

(351 posts)
56. There is always the first time.
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:18 PM
9 hrs ago

The US has never had a president like this. He is capable of trying anything. He already has and this is where we are now. Never underestimate.

Silent Type

(9,142 posts)
14. If trump continues like now, we should do well in midterms. If not, maybe it's time for a huge purge within the party
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:05 AM
12 hrs ago

because voters ain't buying our message.

Silent Type

(9,142 posts)
31. Totally agree. We should have developed a Democratic Project 2026/2028 immediately after losing election and
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:41 AM
10 hrs ago

publicized it. Instead, the best we can do is criticize and yell about trump. As deserved as that is, don't think it attracks voters.

Silent Type

(9,142 posts)
43. Yep. Or, Schumer standing in the well of an empty senate chamber late at night unenthusiastically reading from
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:56 AM
10 hrs ago

a boring script.

multigraincracker

(35,536 posts)
15. I plan on working a little harder, donate a little more and hope the current guy continues down the road he is on.
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:22 AM
11 hrs ago

May work out, may not. If only 20,000 others do the same, I'm pretty sure it will happen. If not now, next time.

EdmondDantes_

(437 posts)
16. I think we will take the House relatively easily, but not the Senate
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:28 AM
11 hrs ago

We may finally get Susan Collins out, but I think there's a good chance Ossoff loses in Georgia, so that will likely even out. I think we hold Michigan, New Hampshire and Minnesota. Even if we pick up North Carolina, that only gets us to 48 Senators.

We need to do more to build the party in states we currently aren't competitive in. And given those states often vote in favor of abortion, of raising the minimum wage, it's not like they are entirely against everything we are. Tester won in Montana, Ossoff and Warnock won in Georgia. It's hard but not impossible. But we need to do more winning in lower races than throwing money at a high profile Senate race like we've done in Kentucky or Texas. If we win in those lower races we will naturally have a growth in our brand that will then help with higher ticket races.

Silent Type

(9,142 posts)
17. Tend to agree. It would be huge to take House. I'm from Georgia and really worried about Ossoff. Although I'll
Fri May 2, 2025, 10:36 AM
11 hrs ago

enjoy primaries if Marjorie Crazy Greene and Kemp face off.

Escape

(185 posts)
18. We have no idea ....
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:05 AM
11 hrs ago

what cheating and chicanery will be involved or what new Musk powered vote counting instruments will be in place.

There isn't ANYTHING Trump wouldn't do to keep his Congress and he knows he has the full support of every Republican in the House and Senate to back up whatever corruption and criminality he dictates.

rainy

(6,278 posts)
19. I don't trust the tabulators on voting machines that Musk said were so easy to hack. I believe he did just that and that
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:06 AM
11 hrs ago

Kamala actually did win!!!!!

Kid Berwyn

(20,181 posts)
21. BINGO!
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:15 AM
10 hrs ago

Friend from PA says two people in his family he knows voted traitor; everybody else voted for Kamela. WTF?

You know who else doesn't like democracy?

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people." -- Henry Kissinger on the CIA overthrow of Chilean democracy.

SharonAnn

(14,034 posts)
39. The result was a dictatorship that "disappeared" opponents and established a thieving oligarchy.
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:51 AM
10 hrs ago

I have Chilean family and visit often. The amount of wealth that was transferred to oligarchs through crony capitalism is staggering.

Kid Berwyn

(20,181 posts)
51. I visited Chile in 2019...
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:06 PM
10 hrs ago

...what an amazing people and nation. Apart from one truck driver on the PAH, they treated me -- a Spanish speaking American -- like family most everywhere I went, from San Pedro de Atacama to Santiago.

When it comes to austere, trickle down thievery of democracy and treasure, economic theory from the University of Chicago bears mention:



Milton Friedman and the Rise of Monetary Fascism

The Dark Age of Money

by JAMES C. KENNEDY
CounterPunch Oct. 24, 2012

EXCERPT...

Monetary Fascism was created and propagated through the Chicago School of Economics. Milton Friedman’s collective works constitute the foundation of Monetary Fascism. Knowing that the term ’Fascism’ was universally unpopular; Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics masquerade these works as ‘Capitalism’ and ’Free Market’ economics.

SNIP...

The fundamental difference between Adam Smith’s free market capitalism and Friedman’s ‘free market capitalism’ is that Friedman’s is a hyper extractive model, the kind that creates and maintains Third-World-Countries and Banana-Republics, without geo-political borders.

If you say that this is nothing new, you miss the point. Friedman does not differentiate between some third world country and his own. The ultimate difference is that Friedman has created a model that sanctions and promotes the exploitation of his own country, in fact every country, for the benefit of the investor, money the uber-wealthy. He dressed up this noxious ideology as ‘free market capitalism’ and then convinced most of the world to embrace it as their economic salvation.

SNIP...

Monetary Fascism, as conceived by Friedman, uses the powers of the state to put the interest of money and the financial class above and beyond all other forms of industry (and other stake holders) and the state itself.

SNIP...

Money has become the state and the traditional state is forced to serve money’s interests. Everywhere the Financial Class is openly lording over sovereign nations. Ireland, Greece and Spain are subject to ultimatums and remember Hank Paulson’s $700 billion extortion from the U.S. Congress. The $700 billion was just the wedge. Thanks to unlimited access to the Discount Window, Quantitative Easing and other taxpayer funded debt-swap bailouts the total transfers to the financial industry exceeded $16 trillion as of July 2010 according to a Federal Reserve Audit. All of this was dumped on the taxpayer and it is still growing.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/24/the-dark-age-of-money/



That's what they're rolling out here, with orange al capone skimming off the top.



From the beach at Punta de Choros.

Dan

(4,646 posts)
33. Don't know, but her failure to demand a recount in any swing state (hand count).
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:43 AM
10 hrs ago

rainy

(6,278 posts)
62. The theft was just over the automatic recount margin
Fri May 2, 2025, 08:24 PM
1 hr ago

in every single swing state!!!!

Silent Type

(9,142 posts)
35. Yeah, let's prepare for the 2026 midterms with the mindset that we lost because of Musk, when there is no evidence
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:44 AM
10 hrs ago

of that unless one is a devotee of Greg Palast and similar BS artists trying to make a buck off podcasts.

We lost at polls to the most beatable candidate in history, and better shape future campaigns with that in mind.

Nigrum Cattus

(494 posts)
20. It will be a fight
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:10 AM
11 hrs ago

I will fight the repugs every inch of the way.
Not giving up or giving in
Better dead than red (repug)

22. This is exactly what the world sees
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:18 AM
10 hrs ago

Americans can no longer be trusted to make smart poitical decisions and are in no hurry to rush back in to our untrustworthy arms.

I am concerned about even having an election in 2026 or what the country might look like by then.

And democrats cannot expect to win solely because the other party is unpopular. They have to have a vision that resonates with enough voters to accomplish that. Most dems seem to not understand that.

I am also concerned that the repubs don't seem overly worrried about it either. I wonder that they know that we don't about how future elections.

Either way, if things get as bad as predicted (or worse) I think the kettle will boil over long before any future elections would even matter.

NNadir

(35,704 posts)
24. Within a year the willful destruction of the United States will be of...
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:21 AM
10 hrs ago

...obvious consequences.

In a time of chaos nothing will be predictable.

Who would have imagined four years ago the United States committing suicide?

Yet here we are.

sop

(13,932 posts)
28. We've had blue waves before, it usually depends on how bad things are economically.
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:34 AM
10 hrs ago

Flipping the House is probable, the Senate seems almost impossible.

WSHazel

(376 posts)
34. If there is an election...
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:43 AM
10 hrs ago

I think we can flip the Senate. Historical trends are historical trends, until they aren't. South Dakota was reliably blue for decades, and now it is one of the most red states on the map. Things can change.

Democrats will pick up NC and ME in a fair election. KS, IA, MT, AK and maybe a couple of others are in play if the Democrats find a good candidate and voters in those states finally realize that 20+ years of absolute loyalty to the Republican Party has not improved their lives one iota.

AllyCat

(17,861 posts)
29. I don't either. I STILL hear people say things like:
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:36 AM
10 hrs ago

“I support Democrats usually, but all they talk about is …(insert “woke” issue here)”

“ Dems need to get back to kitchen table issues!” as if maintaining our democracy wasn’t kitchen table enough.

I also don’t trust republicans. They are not serious about democracy, only MAGA.

edhopper

(35,860 posts)
44. The thing about that is
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:58 AM
10 hrs ago

it was the Repukes who only talked about "woke" issues. And Harris ran a campaign on kitchen table issues.
But in interviews, when she talked about first time home buyers, they asked her about trans operations in prisons.

AllyCat

(17,861 posts)
55. I know that. You know that.
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:16 PM
9 hrs ago

But the media ran with this message and they will do it again.

Haru

(47 posts)
32. Don't Despair
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:43 AM
10 hrs ago

We are making progress with the wins in Wisconsin after Musk pour in millions in the Supreme Court there and some other notable wins in state houses, we are getting there. Even in Canada, the liberals won due to the hatred to Trump and his policies.
Our road to victory will be a slow but steady effort.
Don't give up the efforts and protests we have going.
The Dems may not be at the top of the game but it's the only horse we have to ride.
We need to continue to press Dems to be bold and raise the level of the fight.
This is something we cannot sit on our hands and hope for the best.
There are many ways we can fight for OUR DEMOCRACY, please take time and choose a method that suits you and join the fight.
Please, Please don't give up

edhopper

(35,860 posts)
45. I am not
Fri May 2, 2025, 11:59 AM
10 hrs ago

it is more about my complete disdain and lack of trust in half the voters.

Ping Tung

(2,261 posts)
47. Most voters vote on whim or to conform with their neighbors.
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:04 PM
10 hrs ago

My oldest sister voted for JFK because he was good looking. My other oles sister voted for Nixon because of his little dog gave his wife an ordinary coat. Many others don't vote at all because they don't want to miss their favorite program on TV.

AverageOldGuy

(2,556 posts)
49. Don't know if this means much for other states . . .
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:05 PM
10 hrs ago

But watch Virginia in Nov 2025 when we elect Gov, LtGov, AG, and both houses of the General Assembly.

We Democrats are poised to knock off Republican top three as well as increasing our hold on General Assembly.

VA Republicans are full-on MAGA.

lees1975

(6,468 posts)
58. Democrats not really campaigning for this, watching their approval ratings get worse
Fri May 2, 2025, 12:28 PM
9 hrs ago

and who is working to stop it from being stolen right out from underneath us, without opposition, with Democrats who win retreating to their office and government check, and the others left to stand, smile and concede?

We've talked until we are all talked out.

I am doing more. I am now contributing to Bernie and AOC, and to David Hogg's Leaders We Deserve.

Martin Eden

(14,203 posts)
61. I don't trust there will be free & fair elections, or that we'll have them at all.
Fri May 2, 2025, 02:24 PM
7 hrs ago

Do not underestimate what Republicans and their POtuS will do to maintain their grip on power.

Trump has no intention to relinquish the White House in January 2029 (if he's still alive). In his first time he wanted to use the military to shoot unruly crowds at the George Floyd protests. Heading into next year the organized protests will likely escalate, and rightwing hate groups will spark violence. Trump will not hesitate to declare martial law. If his grip on the military his secure, kiss democracy goodbye.

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