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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMN shooter in custody - BREAKING - details hard to find - Presser at 1130 EDT (maybe)
per our 11.00 news. Neo link, no details

Stinky The Clown
(68,649 posts)Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)Should be up on their web site soon.
usonian
(18,370 posts)I beg no pardon!
Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)though a federal fugitive warrant was issued so the FBI could assist.
Mr.WeRP
(831 posts)Theyll move this case to give this guy a pardon.
Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)Murder isn't a federal crime unless the victim is a federal official. Luigi's indictment charges "one count of interstate stalking resulting in death, which carries a maximum potential sentence of life in prison; one count of stalking through use of interstate facilities resulting in death, which carries a maximum potential sentence of life in prison; and one count of discharging a firearm that was equipped with a silencer in furtherance of a crime of violence." Note that the indictment doesn't charge him with murder, only with stalking that resulted in death. In Boelter's case there's no federal jurisdiction - everything happened in Minnesota. As to terrorism, domestic terrorism is defined in the PATRIOT Act, but there's no separate penalty for it. Acts that fit within the definition are charged as specific crimes under either federal or state law. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47885
Mr.WeRP
(831 posts)Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)Even if they could make that a federal crime, there's nothing to stop the state from prosecuting him separately, as happened in the George Floyd murder case. Chauvin was convicted of second-degree murder in state court and pled guilty to a federal civil rights violation so he could serve his time in a federal prison. If Trump pardoned him he'd still have to serve his state sentence of approximately the same duration. As to Boelter, the maximum sentence for threatening a federal official is ten years, while the maximum sentence for first degree murder is life. So let's say the feds want to prosecute Boelter for threatening a federal official; if convicted he'd serve 10 years. In the meantime he'd also be prosecuted by Minnesota on two counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder, with a probable life sentence, so a pardon on the federal charge wouldn't do him a damn bit of good.
Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)The state and the feds have concurrent jurisdiction; the state doesn't give up its case just because there are federal charges as well.
Mr.WeRP
(831 posts)If they move this to federal court, the guy will get a pardon.
Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)Mr.WeRP
(831 posts)Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)Is the list a threat? We'll see.
Mr.WeRP
(831 posts)Jack Valentino
(2,346 posts)Anybody can WRITE ANYTHING!!!!
but just writing something does not make a 'credible threat'
(hope nobody breaks into my basement to see the things that I have written!!! LMAO)
Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)if there's a basis for jurisdiction. Threatening a federal official carries a 10-year sentence while first-degree murder gets you a life sentence, so what good would a pardon do him?
Mr.WeRP
(831 posts)Then we will know. And if his attorneys are like Luigis, they will move to dismiss state for federal for Double Jeopardy.
Ocelot II
(125,295 posts)The feds can't take the case away from the state, and double jeopardy won't attach because of the dual sovereignty rule; because states and the federal government are both sovereign governments, a violation of state and federal law is not the same offense, but are instead separate offenses. (BTW, we have Sam Alito to thank for that. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-646_d18e.pdf) So the prosecutions can proceed on these two separate tracks, and even if Krasnov were to pardon Boelter for the federal crimes (which I doubt, since Boelter is in no position to bribe him, which is the purpose of Trump's pardons), the state prosecution, if successful, will stick regardless.
Mountainguy
(2,069 posts)A state case.
indigovalley
(260 posts)New video interview with the best friend of Boelter. His friend says Boelter did not like Walz or Pelosi and that he was a Trump supporter who listened to InfoWars. He was a Republican and would be upset to be called a Democrat. This is on video from his friend on Bluesky. If someone can tell me how to link I will link to the video.
Stinky The Clown
(68,649 posts)Stinky, out!
moondust
(20,897 posts)According to presser on now.
Maru Kitteh
(30,232 posts)moondust
(20,897 posts)He was still armed and crawled to the officers.
ecstatic
(34,812 posts)And I'm actually glad he was caught alive because there are some discrepancies that need to be explained.