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MN shooter in custody - BREAKING - details hard to find - Presser at 1130 EDT (maybe) (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Sunday OP
Link to news report Stinky The Clown Sunday #1
It's being broadcast on local TV news, KSTP. Ocelot II Sunday #2
State charges, PLEASE. usonian Sunday #3
The crimes he'll be charged with are state crimes. There are no federal crimes involved, Ocelot II Sunday #4
Murder is a federal charge as is Terrorism. The Feds moved Luigi's case so they could give him the death penalty Mr.WeRP Sunday #8
Luigi's case became federal because it involved interstate stalking. Ocelot II Sunday #9
Federal officials are on Boelter's list. That alone can be reason to move to federal court. Mr.WeRP Sunday #12
Is a list a communicated threat? Ocelot II Yesterday #16
Luigi was also charged and indicted in New York and Pennsylvania. Ocelot II Yesterday #21
We will know if Trump plans to pardon him if Feds ask for jurisdiction. Mr.WeRP Sunday #5
There's no federal jurisdiction, see above post. Ocelot II Sunday #10
Time will tell. Federal officials being on Boelter's list of people to assassinate is reason alone. Mr.WeRP Sunday #13
I'm not sure that's enough, but the US attorney's office is expected to look at the situation. Ocelot II Yesterday #15
Looks like I was right. Mr.WeRP 15 hrs ago #23
but there was no such attempt made on any Federal officeholders... Jack Valentino Yesterday #20
See above. He could be prosecuted in both state and federal court, Ocelot II Yesterday #17
It depends if Feds push to move the entire case to Federal Mr.WeRP 15 hrs ago #24
They won't and really can't. The state and federal governments are separate entities. Ocelot II 15 hrs ago #25
Very clearly Mountainguy Sunday #7
Friend of shooter says he is a Trump support--NEW video posted on Bluesky indigovalley Sunday #6
MSNBCand presumably all cable news is on air with the story Stinky The Clown Sunday #11
Located in the woods. moondust Yesterday #14
I'm out in the woods - any update yet? Maru Kitteh Yesterday #18
They got him. moondust Yesterday #19
Thank goodness. ecstatic Yesterday #22

Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
4. The crimes he'll be charged with are state crimes. There are no federal crimes involved,
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:18 PM
Sunday

though a federal fugitive warrant was issued so the FBI could assist.

Mr.WeRP

(831 posts)
8. Murder is a federal charge as is Terrorism. The Feds moved Luigi's case so they could give him the death penalty
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:25 PM
Sunday

They’ll move this case to give this guy a pardon.

Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
9. Luigi's case became federal because it involved interstate stalking.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:33 PM
Sunday

Murder isn't a federal crime unless the victim is a federal official. Luigi's indictment charges "one count of interstate stalking resulting in death, which carries a maximum potential sentence of life in prison; one count of stalking through use of interstate facilities resulting in death, which carries a maximum potential sentence of life in prison; and one count of discharging a firearm that was equipped with a silencer in furtherance of a crime of violence." Note that the indictment doesn't charge him with murder, only with stalking that resulted in death. In Boelter's case there's no federal jurisdiction - everything happened in Minnesota. As to terrorism, domestic terrorism is defined in the PATRIOT Act, but there's no separate penalty for it. Acts that fit within the definition are charged as specific crimes under either federal or state law. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47885

Mr.WeRP

(831 posts)
12. Federal officials are on Boelter's list. That alone can be reason to move to federal court.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:55 PM
Sunday

Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
16. Is a list a communicated threat?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:26 AM
Yesterday

Even if they could make that a federal crime, there's nothing to stop the state from prosecuting him separately, as happened in the George Floyd murder case. Chauvin was convicted of second-degree murder in state court and pled guilty to a federal civil rights violation so he could serve his time in a federal prison. If Trump pardoned him he'd still have to serve his state sentence of approximately the same duration. As to Boelter, the maximum sentence for threatening a federal official is ten years, while the maximum sentence for first degree murder is life. So let's say the feds want to prosecute Boelter for threatening a federal official; if convicted he'd serve 10 years. In the meantime he'd also be prosecuted by Minnesota on two counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder, with a probable life sentence, so a pardon on the federal charge wouldn't do him a damn bit of good.

Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
21. Luigi was also charged and indicted in New York and Pennsylvania.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:12 AM
Yesterday

The state and the feds have concurrent jurisdiction; the state doesn't give up its case just because there are federal charges as well.

Mr.WeRP

(831 posts)
5. We will know if Trump plans to pardon him if Feds ask for jurisdiction.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:24 PM
Sunday

If they move this to federal court, the guy will get a pardon.

Mr.WeRP

(831 posts)
13. Time will tell. Federal officials being on Boelter's list of people to assassinate is reason alone.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:56 PM
Sunday

Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
15. I'm not sure that's enough, but the US attorney's office is expected to look at the situation.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:13 AM
Yesterday

Is the list a threat? We'll see.

Jack Valentino

(2,346 posts)
20. but there was no such attempt made on any Federal officeholders...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:09 AM
Yesterday

Anybody can WRITE ANYTHING!!!!
but just writing something does not make a 'credible threat'


(hope nobody breaks into my basement to see the things that I have written!!! LMAO)


Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
17. See above. He could be prosecuted in both state and federal court,
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:30 AM
Yesterday

if there's a basis for jurisdiction. Threatening a federal official carries a 10-year sentence while first-degree murder gets you a life sentence, so what good would a pardon do him?

Mr.WeRP

(831 posts)
24. It depends if Feds push to move the entire case to Federal
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:06 PM
15 hrs ago

Then we will know. And if his attorneys are like Luigi’s, they will move to dismiss state for federal for Double Jeopardy.

Ocelot II

(125,295 posts)
25. They won't and really can't. The state and federal governments are separate entities.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:12 PM
15 hrs ago

The feds can't take the case away from the state, and double jeopardy won't attach because of the dual sovereignty rule; because states and the federal government are both sovereign governments, a violation of state and federal law is not the “same offense,” but are instead separate offenses. (BTW, we have Sam Alito to thank for that. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-646_d18e.pdf) So the prosecutions can proceed on these two separate tracks, and even if Krasnov were to pardon Boelter for the federal crimes (which I doubt, since Boelter is in no position to bribe him, which is the purpose of Trump's pardons), the state prosecution, if successful, will stick regardless.

indigovalley

(260 posts)
6. Friend of shooter says he is a Trump support--NEW video posted on Bluesky
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:24 PM
Sunday

New video interview with the best friend of Boelter. His friend says Boelter did not like Walz or Pelosi and that he was a Trump supporter who listened to InfoWars. He was a Republican and would be upset to be called a Democrat. This is on video from his friend on Bluesky. If someone can tell me how to link I will link to the video.

ecstatic

(34,812 posts)
22. Thank goodness.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:16 AM
Yesterday

And I'm actually glad he was caught alive because there are some discrepancies that need to be explained.

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