Anyone who refused to vote for VP Harris by either not voting, or voting third party, was a vote for trump.

[JohnSJ]

[Walleye]

1. Yes, they are just as guilty is if they voted for Trump

[Terry_M]

2. Mathematically incorrect.

[Shrek]

3. That proposition is logically incoherent n/t

[W_HAMILTON]

4. Fuck anyone and everyone that didn't support and vote for Hillary and Kamala.

[betsuni]

5. They'll be there next time too with their dumb phony "reasons" based on disinformation, emotion and ignorance.

[Grokenstein]

6. Jill Stein voters jerk off to the delusion that they're "teaching us a lesson" but then

when the consequences come they claim their vote didn't make a difference.

Ironically they very rarely learn, being the most precious smartest people in the room and all that.

[DENVERPOPS]

12. Putin backed her

just to split the votes away from Hillary..........

That exact splitting away the vote was done by Josie Heath here in Colorado, she didn't win the primary as the Dem candidate for U.S. Senate, Dottie Lamb did, so Josie ran as an independent, taking enough votes away from Lamm so the Republican Won........cute......

[cab67]

19. Some of them remain proud of their decision.

They are immune to anything that might make them reflect on what they caused.

[SocialDemocrat61]

21. Most of them is more accurate

and they still brag about it. And they refuse to take any responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

[betsuni]

22. "If an action of good intent leads to bad results, then, in the actor's eyes, not he but the world, or the

stupidity of other men is responsible for the evil." Max Weber

"When you think about it, Weber's insight is a bit of a shock. It says quite plainly that in some crucial ways, radicals are not trying to win. They are trying to 'do the right thing' regardless of consequences. Given a choice, radicals would rather be 'right' than obtain what they agree is the best possible outcome. They seem to think 'possible' is a dirty word. So it's no surprise they often defeat themselves. ... In my experience, such thinking is usually accompanied by an excuse when it is challenged ... Then, when pressed, they rationalize their irresponsible behavior with some story about how the forces of history will prove them right in the end. But really, they do what they do because their religion tells them what's 'right,' saving them the trouble of taking responsibility for their actions.

"The radical ethic of conviction: Make your moral judgements without considering that there are bad actors who may cause your action to result in unwanted outcome. Liberal ethic of responsibility: People should strive for good outcomes given reality, bad actors and all.

"The difference between liberal and radicals ... is not wanting fundamental change for the better. The difference is that liberals think strategically about the real world when trying to change it for the better. And that's why they have had success. ... The biggest progressive changes have happened under Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, LBJ and Obama. All were liberals."

Steven Stoft "How Democrats Win, Resisting Dark-Side Radicalism"

[PunkinPi]

7. 100% agree. K&R nt

[SalamanderSleeps]

8. Fight backwords?

Why does this thread even exist?

[orangecrush]

15. Same question

[Paladin]

9. Absolutely. Those people helped put trump back in office.

And they damned sure ought to make amends for it in the future.

[live love laugh]

10. We see statistical evidence that even those who did vote were disenfranchised. The finger pointing is meaningless

due to that.

https://smartelections.us/dropoff

https://democraticunderground.com/100220402600#post15

[DownriverDem]

14. Actually

we want them to feel the pain so they see what their vote did.

[Autumn]

11. Rinse, wash, repeat.

[DownriverDem]

13. Guess what?

We warned folks over and over, but they didn't listen.

[krkaufman]

16. Not strictly true; depends on the state

Some can use the electoral college as a defense.

[Hope22]

17. I'm not sure how often this needs to come up...

…but in this instance I am going to add anyone who did not take to the streets when TSF said Elon helped him win the election is guilty of letting our system be killed right before our eyes. The fact is we do not know how many people voted for Harris. We never will and that is a problem. Saturday proved that people can get off the couch….if they choose!

[mcar]

18. And here we are

[scipan]

20. The beatings will continue until morale improves. nt