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erronis

(20,213 posts)
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 09:38 AM Wednesday

Israel is pulling us into its forever war -- Sabrina Haake

https://sabrinahaake.substack.com/p/israel-is-pulling-us-into-its-forever

The US Massive Ordnance Penetrator (“MOP”), weighing in at 30,000 pounds, was designed to destroy weapons of mass destruction buried in mountains or deep below the earth’s surface. The MOP is so heavy it can only be lifted by a B-2 bomber, which “can perform attack missions at altitudes of up to 50,000 feet.”

Israel does not own an MOP bomb or the B-2 bombers needed to carry it; both were developed and are owned exclusively by the United States Air Force. Although Trump claims credit for it, the MOP was developed in 2004 under the Bush administration, and US weapons engineers have tested and refined its capacities ever since.

. . .

Trump, through arrogance, weakness, or ignorance, brought us here

It can’t be forgotten that Trump led us to this precarious path when he withdrew from the Iranian nuclear agreement in 2018, after it had been painstakingly hammered out among several nations including the US, Iran, France, Germany Britain, China and Russia. At the time he withdrew from the agreement, Trump’s move was expected to embolden hard-line forces in Iran, supercharging Iran within a Middle East arms race. If Bibi is to be believed, that is exactly what happened. President Obama, whose team negotiated the agreement, predicted that Trump’s withdrawal would “leave the world less safe,” and confronted with “a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East.”

. . .

Netanyahu will likely get his way with Trump and the MOP bomber, and he knows it. Fox News will repackage the story and sell it as proof of Trump’s genius, which 45% of the country will buy, and the US will find itself in another Neanderthalic war that will never end.
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Israel is pulling us into its forever war -- Sabrina Haake (Original Post) erronis Wednesday OP
Nutin'yahoo is playing the idiot like a fiddle. Sad. Dave Bowman Wednesday #1
Krasnov is absolutely responsible for this war. gab13by13 Wednesday #2
The agreements weren't really working, it was just letting people pretend this day wasn't coming Amishman Wednesday #6
Bibi plays trump like a fiddle. He's much smarter comradebillyboy Wednesday #3
But it's hard to tell which is more evil.... erronis Wednesday #4
Trump is clearly more evil. comradebillyboy Wednesday #5

gab13by13

(28,466 posts)
2. Krasnov is absolutely responsible for this war.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 09:48 AM
Wednesday

The Iran nuclear agreement was working, tearing up the agreement gave Israel the excuse to attack Iran.

If Krasnov joins the war and bombs Iran's nuclear site it will be the worst decision he has ever made, and he has made plenty of bad decisions.

I believe we have 60,000 troops stationed in the ME.

Amishman

(5,890 posts)
6. The agreements weren't really working, it was just letting people pretend this day wasn't coming
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 12:16 PM
Wednesday

They started cheating on the 2003 agreement almost immediately, which was exposed when the Fordow facility was discovered.

They didn't comply with the 2015, not disclosing the continuation of the AMAD plan. This was highlighted by the 2018 raid on Israel that stole extensive documents from Iran's nuclear program.

There was never a good faith effort on Iran's part to stop nuclear development. They only paused it when forced, with the intent to resume at their earliest convenience.

Now that Israel has opened this window of opportunity, we need to finish this by destroying Fordow (and any other deep facility that can be identified).

comradebillyboy

(10,730 posts)
5. Trump is clearly more evil.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 12:02 PM
Wednesday

Bibi is a foreign leader whose power is limited. He’s no more evil than any other middle eastern despot.

The deranged Dotard is wrecking the postwar global order which is creating global chaos.

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