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Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 08:54 PM Wednesday

Regime Change Needed in Israel

I have always supported the right of Israel to exist . I wish peace and safety for all nations.. The horror of the Holocaust is embedded in our memories.

We are at a different moment.

As we stand today, we must face the reality that Israel is a menacing nation, putting USA at direct risk . Over and over again, the hardliners have refused a two-state solution or to allow humanitarian aid to Palestinians.

Israel continues to manipulate the USA to advance their genocidal attacks, in addition to land grabs throughout the region.

Between 1946 and 2023, Israel received around $264 billion in total foreign aid from the US. Since the Gaza war, the US has provided significant additional aid, including a $14.3 billion emergency military assistance package in April 2024 and an $8.7 billion aid package in September 2024.

This is how Israel shows their thanks to the USA, by attacking Iran and drawing our military into harms way. Why all this money when they have shown disdain to the taxpayers of the USA?

There are no nuclear weapons in Iran. I acknowledge that Iran has armed rogue states. At the same time, we can see that there is no solution if Israel continues to be an aggressor. Israel missed the opportunity to be the sane and responsible nation in the MidEast. We can’t trust Israel now. We will be damned by continuing support to them. There’s no difference between Putin and Netanyahu.

We must stop all economic trade and military aid to Israel. Right Now.
The people of Israel need to rebuild as a peaceful nation . Get rid of your corrupt autocracy. Replaced Netanyahu, send him to The Hague.
Stop the madness.

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Regime Change Needed in Israel (Original Post) Bread and Circuses Wednesday OP
Wow RandySF Wednesday #1
Netanyahu is like Trump Easterncedar Wednesday #2
You nailed it. Bread and Circuses Wednesday #6
Yup DENVERPOPS Wednesday #20
Regime chsnge Fiddlelady11 Wednesday #3
That, too. yorkster Wednesday #4
I too have always supported the right of Israel to exist ... Intractable Wednesday #5
Exactly. Sadly, unfortunately Israel has gone down a path of destruction Bread and Circuses Wednesday #7
none of this is about borders. mopinko Wednesday #11
Let me explain Bread and Circuses Wednesday #14
they've been targets of extremists from day 1. mopinko Wednesday #15
The west has supported Israel...with billions and still does Bread and Circuses Yesterday #22
It seems ForgedCrank Wednesday #19
I disagree Bread and Circuses Yesterday #23
Wall enid602 18 hrs ago #36
everything about this 'seems' mopinko 12 hrs ago #37
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #8
the palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution since yasar arafat. mopinko Wednesday #9
Israel has rejected two-state solution twice. Bread and Circuses Wednesday #16
NONSENSE! It's based upon the actions of their government--- Jack Valentino Wednesday #13
Thank you for your thoughts Bread and Circuses Wednesday #17
Their gov't has certainly demonstrated that they have no respect for our opinions, Jack Valentino Wednesday #21
Yes! Bread and Circuses Yesterday #24
Poor Iran. Who speaks for the freedom fighters? nt LexVegas Wednesday #10
i'm tired of trying to discuss this here, but u r just wrong on the facts. mopinko Wednesday #12
I've been a donor to The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for years.... Bread and Circuses Wednesday #18
Once upon a time... roamer65 Yesterday #25
Iran OC375 Yesterday #26
Like Iraq? Butterflylady Yesterday #28
Like USA? OC375 Yesterday #34
Interesting -- the biggest threat to Netanyahu's government are the ultra orthodox Haredi Ponietz Yesterday #27
Isn't this the faction that's very militant and pro war but don't have to serve? ms liberty Yesterday #29
Perhaps the opposite--I've read that some Haredi oppose a political State of Israel because the Messiah hasn't come yet Ponietz Yesterday #31
Thanks. I know there is one faction like that but I'm not sure what they're known as. ms liberty Yesterday #32
Thanks, I've read about this Bread and Circuses 10 hrs ago #38
Agreed. no_hypocrisy Yesterday #30
Agree Bread and Circuses 10 hrs ago #39
Four regime changes needed. usonian Yesterday #33
👍 claudette Yesterday #35

DENVERPOPS

(12,667 posts)
20. Yup
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:50 PM
Wednesday

he is part of the great trifecta......Putin-Netanyahu-Trump as the top three of all other nations........

Putin, Trump and Netanyahu are all proven to be criminals by the International War Crimes Commission at the Hague.......

Intractable

(1,084 posts)
5. I too have always supported the right of Israel to exist ...
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 09:19 PM
Wednesday

within its current borders and not beyond.

mopinko

(72,703 posts)
11. none of this is about borders.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:00 PM
Wednesday

it’s about safety w/in their borders. u do know that they get shelled from every side all the time, right?
that’s y there is a wall around gaza. that’s y it’s part of the bldg code there that all homes have a safe room.
cd u live like that?

Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
14. Let me explain
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:23 PM
Wednesday

Hi, I understand that Israel has been under constant threat, and the USA has supplied billions of dollars of military equipment to defend Israel. However, Netanyahu has refused to find a middle ground with the countries in the MidEast.

We expected Israel to be a democratic and stabilizing nation. They aren’t.

Moreover, Israel refused calls to impose sanctions on Russia, provide lethal military aid or to send missile defense technology directly to Ukraine. This tells you the truth. Why should the American citizens pay to keep Israel safe, whilst Israel doesn’t give two craps about Ukrainians being bombed every day?

Please reconsider your position.

I support Israel’s right to exist and Jewish people. We need peace. Netanyahu is a war criminal and doesn’t care about Jewish people. He’s making Jews less safe by making them targets of extremists.

Thank you for your comment. I wish you and your family peace and happiness.

mopinko

(72,703 posts)
15. they've been targets of extremists from day 1.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:28 PM
Wednesday

and y do we expect a tiny country, constantly under siege, to stabilize a region full of religious maniacs?
ffs.

Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
22. The west has supported Israel...with billions and still does
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:01 AM
Yesterday

Hi,

I’m heartbroken to come to this conclusion. In fact, I received a donation letter from the Holocaust Museum yesterday and I looked at it and had to toss it away.
That should tell you, who I am . I’ve been a donor to The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for years l’m depressed about Israel’s hardliners. So, don’t be angry with me. Israel has been taken over by a corrupt autocracy. That’s the source of our misery.

I know this is difficult, I support the Israeli people. But this moment of time is important to call out ALL the criminal leaders around the globe. That includes Putin, Netanyahu and Trump.

Precisely because Israel is a small nation that it should have sought alliances with Egypt, for example.
Netanyahu has refused to denounce Russian aggression.

Long-serving Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated his objection to a Palestinian state on two separate occasions, in 2015 and 2023.


https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145807


ForgedCrank

(2,703 posts)
19. It seems
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:45 PM
Wednesday

you have either purposefully skipped over, or have forgotten about a whole lot of the story.
Israel has offered and even gave up the land, yet the attacks continue. These people don't want their land, they want ALL of the land, and they want Israel destroyed. They will accept nothing less. All one has to do is listen to them actually say over and over that they want Israel destroyed.
I don't just support Israel's right to exist, I support their right to not live in continual fear of the rockets raining down on their cities. And I most especially support their right not not be vaporized by crazed extremists who get their hands on a nuclear weapon to mount to their already existing ballistic missiles. If you think Iran wouldn't use it, then I would question your deduction methods.
Israel is doing now what they should have done years ago. They spent too much time, energy and lives trying to find a solution that doesn't include all-out war. They finally took the gloves off and intend to end this thing, and I applaud them for it. Make no mistake, if Israel wanted to "genocide" (as if continually repeated over and over) any of these states, they would already be gone and Iran would be a sea of glass right now. Frankly, they are being far more gentle and precise in their approach than I would be if someone shot rockets at me.

Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
23. I disagree
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:07 AM
Yesterday

Hi,

If Israel wants to continue bombing other countries they can do it with their OWN money. I’m concerned that the extremists’ that you mention will attack USA because we’ve supplied the weapons.

I’m heartbroken to come to this conclusion. In fact, I received a donation letter from the Holocaust Museum yesterday and I looked at it and had to toss it away.
That should tell you, who I am . I’ve been a donor to The Anti-Defamation League (ADL). l’m depressed about Israel’s hardliners. So, don’t be angry with me. Israel has been taken over by a corrupt autocracy. That’s the source of our misery.

I know this is difficult, I support the Israeli people. But this moment of time is important to call out ALL the criminal leaders around the globe. That includes Putin, Netanyahu and Trump.

Precisely because Israel is a small nation that it should have sought alliances with Egypt, for example.
Netanyahu has refused to denounce Russian aggression.

Long-serving Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated his objection to a Palestinian state on two separate occasions, in 2015 and 2023.


https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145807

enid602

(9,437 posts)
36. Wall
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 05:47 PM
18 hrs ago

“that’s y there is a wall around gaza.” It would seem to many that there is a wall around Gaza to keep food and journalists out.

mopinko

(72,703 posts)
37. everything about this 'seems'
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 11:40 PM
12 hrs ago

like something they can relate to, cuz they have no idea what life in israel is like. and know very little of the history. and have embedded ideas about jews.

Response to Bread and Circuses (Original post)

mopinko

(72,703 posts)
9. the palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution since yasar arafat.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 10:37 PM
Wednesday

deeply uninformed.

Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
16. Israel has rejected two-state solution twice.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:28 PM
Wednesday

Hi, Thanks for your comment. We expected Israel to be a stabilizing presence in the MidEast. It is Not.
I know this is difficult, I support the Israeli people. But this moment of time is important to call out ALL the criminal leaders around the globe. That includes Putin, Netanyahu and Trump.


Yes, Palestine has rejected the two-state solution as has Netanyahu.

Long-serving Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated his objection to a Palestinian state on two separate occasions, in 2015 and 2023.


https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145807


Also, 18. I've been a donor to The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for years l I’m heartbroken about Israel’s hardliners.

Jack Valentino

(2,393 posts)
13. NONSENSE! It's based upon the actions of their government---
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:15 PM
Wednesday

whether its people are Jews or southern Baptists has nothing to do with it!

I agree with the poster that all U.S. military aid to Israel should be CUT OFF,
based upon their ACTIONS over the past two years. Trade no, but bombs YES!

There's no need to be antisemitic to be thoroughly disgusted with the State of Israel
at this point in time, and I am thoroughly disgusted with them.

I also oppose the oppression of Jews in THIS country, or elsewhere around the world,
who are not responsible for the actions of 'The State of Israel',
who frankly have become something of a 'bad actor' on the world stage under their current government!


Being a doormat for the NettyYahoo government is no better than being a doormat for Trump.



Sick to death of these kind of baseless allegations...

Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
17. Thank you for your thoughts
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:31 PM
Wednesday

I know this is a difficult matter. We’ve always supported Israel. But, Israel has demonstrated that it is not interested in the safety of USA by the unprecedented attacks on Palestinians and now Iranians.

We must be clear that we can’t support this any longer.

Jack Valentino

(2,393 posts)
21. Their gov't has certainly demonstrated that they have no respect for our opinions,
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:53 PM
Wednesday

(or even Trump's-- purportedly urging them against an attack on Iran,
while negotiations were going on)...

but they will gladly take our money, and are now trying to push us
to fight THEIR War FOR them!!



Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
24. Yes!
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:16 AM
Yesterday

I appreciate your posts, As you can see that I support Israel’s right to exist and peace. Yet, I continue to be attacked .
We understand the history.

Those who criticize this post, are finding it difficult to accept that Netanyahu and the hardliners are placing Jews everywhere and the USA in danger by their aggression.

I want peace for all. By bombing Iran and Yes Iran has funded rogue actors….they have pushed into a dangerous position.
Pakistan is ready to aid Iran. There was no direct threat to Israel from Iran , Netanyahu is distracting from Gaza and whatever else he’s stealing. Netanyahu has faced criminal charges and was indicted in 2019 on charges of fraud, breach of trust, and receiving bribes. That guy is not who should be receiving my tax money.

Iran has sustained many years of wars and they will not fall to Israel.

As you said, if Netanyahu wants to toss bombs , he can do it with his own money.

We’ve been friends to Israel and they have turned their back on us.

Thanks for following this post.

mopinko

(72,703 posts)
12. i'm tired of trying to discuss this here, but u r just wrong on the facts.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:02 PM
Wednesday

and it’s not my job to educate u. i dont think i cd do it and not violate the tos.

Bread and Circuses

(837 posts)
18. I've been a donor to The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for years....
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 11:35 PM
Wednesday

That’s another reason why I am broken hearted by the current crisis!

roamer65

(37,617 posts)
25. Once upon a time...
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 07:41 AM
Yesterday

They had a Prime Minister who wanted peace and they killed him for it.

Told me all I needed to know.

OC375

(43 posts)
34. Like USA?
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 09:52 AM
Yesterday

In the USA regine change was followed by almost 100 more years of slavery and discrimination, and almost another 100 years of civil rights abuses. I'm not sure regine change ever goes well, at least when we are involved. It would be nice to stay out of this one. Nonetheless, Iran could use new management, IMHO.

Ponietz

(3,936 posts)
27. Interesting -- the biggest threat to Netanyahu's government are the ultra orthodox Haredi
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 07:57 AM
Yesterday

The Haredi, ultra-orthodox religious yeshiva students, have been exempt from the military draft since Israel’s inception, but no longer. The rabbis threaten to dissolve the Knesset unless the exemption is reinstated. This is paywalled but I read it on https://archive.ph.

Israel's Haredi Draft Crisis: Why Netanyahu's Coalition Is on the Brink of Collapse, and What Could Happen Next
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-05/ty-article/.premium/israels-haredi-draft-crisis-why-netanyahus-coalition-is-on-the-brink-of-collapse/00000197-40b9-de48-a1f7-f5bf066e0000

Several bills to dissolve the Knesset have already been put on the table, with Yesh Atid, Yisrael Beiteinu and Labor already rushing Thursday morning to volunteer to bring them to the plenum next week. These proceedings will be handled like any other private bill, requiring four votes, with the first vote expected as early as Wednesday.

The Knesset's summer session is set to end in late July, followed by a summer recess until the High Holy Days. Haredi parties may push a bill to dissolve the Knesset through a first vote, then block its progress ahead of the break - using it as an effective threat in negotiations, without actually bringing down the coalition.

The coalition currently includes 68 seats, meaning UTJ's seven MKs alone cannot dissolve the Knesset or topple the government without Shas. If UTJ were to leave the coalition on its own, the coalition would still have a one-seat majority - and it is possible that UTJ MKs would continue to support the coalition from the outside.

In addition, Haredi ministers and deputy ministers could resign from the government without leaving the coalition, allowing the Knesset to go on functioning as usual. A recent example of that occurred when Otzma Yehudit left the government for a few months following the hostage deal, leaving its functionaries in key positions in various government ministries, only to return to the government's fold later on.



ms liberty

(10,306 posts)
29. Isn't this the faction that's very militant and pro war but don't have to serve?
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 08:14 AM
Yesterday

I have always wondered what would happen if/when that group was required to serve, if maybe their beliefs would change them then.
Ultimately I suppose it might, but apparently first they're going to keep trying to weasel out of having to do any of the dirty killing/dying work. They want their fellow citizens to do it while they urge them on.

Sounds so Republican.

Ponietz

(3,936 posts)
31. Perhaps the opposite--I've read that some Haredi oppose a political State of Israel because the Messiah hasn't come yet
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 08:20 AM
Yesterday

Not sure what to think — it’s a complex situation. But, it’s rich with irony if your characterization is correct.

ms liberty

(10,306 posts)
32. Thanks. I know there is one faction like that but I'm not sure what they're known as.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 08:45 AM
Yesterday
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