Epstein Files - What if . . .

[JustAnotherGen]

What if Krasnov was a partner - and not a client?

He would have a pipeline from his pageant.

Thinking out loud. I think since we don't have access to the files, we get to question everything.

Thank you for attention in this matter.

[CanonRay]

1. His grandfather ran a brothel

So it is a traditional family business

[misanthrope]

6. A brothel?

Isn't that Trump's nickname for a kids playground?

[JustAnotherGen]

9. whomp whomp

[misanthrope]

11. Say what you want about Donnie "Short Eyes" Trump

At least he makes sure his chauffeur drives especially slow past playgrounds and schools.

[rubbersole]

17. With lollipops and a box of kittens. 🍭🐈‍⬛

[JustAnotherGen]

41. N/S

[slightlv]

18. Yeah... wasn't it a brothel his grandfather ran?

[wcmagumba]

2. Sho nuff, Both rumpy and frakensteen love them some underage girls, all "grabbing" is permitted...

[CanonRay]

3. His grandfather ran a brothel

So it is a traditional family business

[still-prayin4rain]

4. Yep, that was a two lane highway

[FHRRK]

5. Find that highly unlikely

The part about funneling pageant contestants.

Those girls likely had the means and highly involved parents.

The victims were girls who didn’t have means or high parental involvement.

One girl I saw interviewed heard about $200 pay for massages and got involved because it was her path to get the hell out of town.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. See Post #7

[pat_k]

16. Yes. Like the vulnerable girls exploited by Trump Model Management...

See post 15

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220506918#post15

[viva la]

52. Trump walked in on them

When they were nude. He bragged about it.

[AntiFascist]

7. One of the girls testifying at Maxwell's trial was in one of Trump's Teen USA pageants...

Jeffrey Epstein introduced me to Trump at 14, Ghislaine Maxwell accuser says

Testifying at Maxwell’s trial in New York City, the woman, identified by the pseudonym Jane, said she met the former president in the 1990s at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

One of the four women who say they were “groomed” for sex by Ghislaine Maxwell testified Wednesday that the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein took her to meet Donald Trump when she was just 14.

Testifying at Maxwell’s trial in New York City, the woman, who is being identified by the pseudonym Jane, said on cross-examination that she met the future president in the 1990s at Mar-a-Lago, his resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
...
Jane also acknowledged that in 1998, she took part in a Miss Teen USA beauty pageant that was associated with Trump. It wasn’t immediately clear whether that was before or after the meeting at Mar-a-Lago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-introduced-trump-14-ghislaine-maxwell-accuser-says-rcna7253

[Wiz Imp]

33. She was in the beauty pageant long after long after she first met Trump.

And Epstein introduced her to Trump, not the other way around. She also did not accuse Trump of any wrongdoing.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-accuser-testimony

On Tuesday, the first of the four accusers testified, describing how Maxwell allegedly groomed her for sexual acts with Epstein, while at times actively participating in the abuse. She also testified Wednesday that Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump at his Florida resort Mar-a-Lago when she was 14, before he was president.

The witness, who was identified in court by the pseudonym “Jane” and who is now in her early 40s, said she first met Maxwell and Epstein in 1994 while she was attending a summer arts camp in Michigan. Epstein told her they were major donors to the camp and that they gave children scholarships. After finding out she was from Palm Beach, Florida, where he had a home, he suggested he might know her parents and asked for her mom’s name and phone number, Jane said

But that same year, while she was still 14, Epstein began sexually abusing her, Jane said. Maxwell played a significant role, she said, allegedly grooming her by normalizing talking about sexual topics, goading the young teen into sexual contact with Epstein and, at times, Maxwell herself.

On Wednesday, Jane testified that she had taken part in the Trump-run Miss Teen USA beauty pageant in 1998 and that she had been introduced to him by Epstein in the 1990s at Mar-a-Lago. She did not describe any improper conduct during the meeting or offer other details about it.

She was in the pageant 4 years after she was first introduced to Trump. And she was being abused by Epstein those entire 4 years. The pageant had no connection to her meeting and being abused by Epstein.

[hannah]

8. Yes

What if Elon Musk and Doge were
just looking for Epstein files and removing them. Just asking

[rampartd]

12. i've thought so from the beginning

what if trumo's hotel rooms are bugged?

he will also frame people without compunction

[johnnyfins]

13. I think he was both

Business mostly, but he sampled the product, I'm sure...

[AntiFascist]

14. There's also Trump's other friend, John Casablancas...

Teen models, powerful men and private dinners: when Trump hosted Look of the Year
...
Another contestant, who was 15 at the time, also remembers being asked to walk for Trump, Casablancas and other men on the boat in September 1992. She says an organizer told her that if she refused, she would be excluded from the competition. “I knew in my gut it wasn’t right,” she recalls. “This wasn’t being judged or part of the competition – it was for their entertainment.”

While Elite’s official brochure stated that contestants were aged between 14 and 24, all of those the Guardian has spoken to, competing in both years, were aged between 14 and 19. Some had come to New York with parents or chaperones in tow; others were alone. Many were away from their families for the first time. For them, the stakes were high, and the pressure to impress the judges great. As Casablancas had warned them at the outset of the competition, in a scene recorded by TV cameras: “You are going to be judged, constantly judged.” (In 1991 and 1992, the Elite contest was filmed for a 60-minute glossy television special, featuring interviews and behind-the-scenes footage, and later screened on Fox – an early foray into reality TV.) Casablancas was a powerful figure in the industry, and to many of the new crop of would-be supermodels, this seemed an opportunity too good to miss.
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Journalists have scoured almost every corner of the 45th president’s life, but his friendship with Casablancas, and his involvement in Look of the Year in 1991 and 1992, have been largely overlooked. Yet the competition is more than a footnote in the Donald Trump story. In time, it would prove to be the foundation of his pivot into reality TV. He even married a former Look of the Year contestant: the current first lady, Melania Trump, narrowly missed out on a trip to New York in 1992, after coming second in the Slovenian heat.
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Four years after Weil’s conviction, in 2002, Casablancas faced his own set of accusations in the civil courts. A former Look of the Year contestant, known only as Jane Doe 44, filed a lawsuit accusing him of repeatedly sexually abusing her, beginning when she was 15. The abuse began, according to the lawsuit, at Look of the Year 1988 in Japan, where Casablancas told Doe he was “falling in love” with her. At the end of the competition, the lawsuit states, “contestants drank and partied late into the evening” and Casablancas told the teenager to come to his hotel room. There, Casablancas sexually abused the girl “several times over the evening”. The abuse allegedly continued the following year; when the girl became pregnant, Casablancas told her “she would be having an abortion”. The abortion was allegedly “arranged and paid for” by Elite. Casablancas was 46 at the time.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

[Wiz Imp]

38. Maybe you missed this part:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

Three decades on, a very different picture of the competition is beginning to emerge. Over the last six months, the Guardian has spoken to several dozen former Look of the Year contestants, as well as industry insiders, and obtained 12 hours of previously unseen, behind-the-scenes footage. The stories we have heard suggest that Casablancas, and some of the men in his orbit, used the contest to engage in sexual relationships with vulnerable young models. Some of these allegations amount to sexual harassment, abuse or exploitation of teenage girls; others are more accurately described as rape.

No such allegations have been levelled against Trump, who at the time was dating Marla Maples, the woman who in 1993 became his second wife. But his close involvement in the contest raises questions for the president. Did he know that Casablancas and others were sleeping with contestants? Why would a man in his 40s, whose main business was real-estate development, want to host a beauty contest for teenage girls?

All of Epstein's victims who testified against him publicly have indicated that they never witnessed any wrongdoing by Trump. However, they have indicated that anybody who ever entered Epstein's Island property (which Trump is known to have done) would be able to tell immediately what was going on there. So Trump almost certainly knew what Epstein was doing, and knew it was illegal, but never said anything to authorities. It's probably the same thing with Casablancas. Knowing abuse is taking place and doing nothing about it is a heinous thing as well.

[AntiFascist]

39. Ummm, I think you missed the point of the OP...

the point is about Trump acting as a partner and being a pipeline for these underage girls, some of whom have testified about later abuse and rape. In my mind, this is even worse than Trump simply participating in the abuse himself. Trump basically had the gravitas to allow this abuse to happen by his friends.

Epstein and Maxwell likely had many clients, and their proximity to Trump, as friends, and their proximity to his Teen pageants should be enough of a humiliation, but of course there is likely more that is hidden that he doesn't want revealed in the Epstein files.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. Without transparency

We have no choice but to consider the target (Krasnov) and believe the worst.

Its alternative facts is all.

[pat_k]

15. Not just pageant conduit. Trump Model Management was exploiting

...women and girls for labor as models -- underpaid, coached to lie to customs, charged exorbitant rent for deplorable conditions. It is not much of a jump from that to feeding some into Epstein's orbit. And they were young. From the article:

"Trump Model Management recruited models as young as 14. “I was by far the oldest in the house at the ripe old age of 18,”

Trump Model Management opened in 1999 and closed in 2017, so it was operating for years before the reported 2004 "split" with Epstien.

AI summary about closure:

The closure followed numerous controversies and allegations surrounding the agency's practices. These included accusations of exploiting foreign models by failing to obtain proper work visas or paying them significantly less than stated in their H-1B visa applications. Some models also alleged being forced to pay exorbitant fees and living in substandard housing provided by the agency, according to Mother Jones. These allegations sparked investigations by entities like United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, initiated by a request from Senator Barbara Boxer. 

Mother Jones reporting in 2016
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

[Wiz Imp]

34. Yes, Trump was exploiting models, but there has never been an allegation of sex trafficking associated with this.

[pat_k]

46. Investigation was shut down by 45's agencies

... and, as far as I can tell, there has been no effort by any agency or atty general's office during the Biden years to take a closer look or re-interview anyone because Trump Model Management was closed. The allegations and evidence of wrongdoing appear to have fallen off the raider. So many other horrors capturing attention.

Personally, I hope some reputable investigative reporters start digging into this again. Sure, there may be nothing there. I don't think I am prone to fall for conspiracy theories, but if the past couple decades have demonstrated anything, it's that, with Trump, however bad the established facts are, there almost always seems to be another shoe to drop. I need to poke around some more, but on first glance, there are various happenings and threads in the waters Epstein swam in that cross with Trump in the years from the pageant event for an audience of two in '92 to '98. (Some testimony about introductions to Trump in '94 and 98, with Trump's launch of the agency in 1999 (haven't found much about the how's and whys).

[Wiz Imp]

47. If they were involved in sex trafficking, it almost certainly would have started from the beginning

and I'm sure investigations were done prior to Epstein's first arrest in 2005. Given that nothing was ever brought up about this, I'm sure it was investigated and nothing was found. Also, don't you think if they were involved in sex trafficking at some point one of the models would have spoken out? Models absolutely did speak out and even sued about immigration and labor violations. Sorry, I don't think there was ever any connection to sex trafficking there.

[evolves]

19. I've said this from the beginning.

His "modeling agencies" and "pageants" were thinly veiled fronts for sex trafficking rings.

[Wiz Imp]

48. Nobody has ever made that accusation and there is absolutely zero evidence to support it.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. Plenty of people have

And he's a paedo.

[Wiz Imp]

57. Prove it. Show me one accusation that didn't come from some random nobody on the internet.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. People Say . . .

You can't defeat maga pubs until you demean them.

[Ohioboy]

20. Yep, without the files how are we to know they weren't working together?

Questions need answers, and they have the files.

[Gaugamela]

21. One acquaintance of Epstein's I saw interviewed

said that Epstein was kind of a geeky, socially awkward guy who relied on Maxwell for social connections. No doubt he also relied on Trump.

[AntiFascist]

40. Maxwell certainly had the UK connections...

Trump had the gravitas to bring an air of legitimacy to the model introductions, with his pageants.

[mercuryblues]

22. Yup

Trump got the girls, Maxwell groomed them, Epstein abused them. They all knew what the other was doing.

I compared it to an exclusive club. The men and (women) paid dues. Face it, you blackmail once, and they never come back. Charge a fee, client for life. Just in case they needed a nudge, tapes were made.

[Blue Full Moon]

23. Most likely scenario

[debsy]

24. Of course he was!

The guy has been working as a money launderer/trafficker/mobster all his adult life! In my mind, there is absolutely no way he was not Epstein’s partner in crime. They both were working with/for Russians, including Putin. Why people keep thinking there might be an ounce of decency in that guy’s body is beyond me. He is beelzebub in the flesh!

[snot]

25. So long as the videos & other records of Epstein's clients remain secret,

they will most likely continue to be used to blackmail important people for corrupt, possibly treasonous purposes in the future.

[Traildogbob]

28. Is this

The albatross around Grahams neck that made him crawl on his knees to Donny? Were little boys on their menu?

[Traildogbob]

26. 🤑🤑💰💰💰

He would whore out his daughter and third wife for cash, after he gets first dibs.

[Hornedfrog2000]

27. I think its obvious he

Was another agent working for putin. I want to know who trump brought with him

[otchmoson]

29. His "personal Vietnam"

In 1997, Trump, who dodged the draft, told Howard Stern that avoiding STDs was his “personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.” What better way to avoid STDs than to have sex with inexperienced, virginal girls. And since President Pedo is nothing if not transactional, to start a business providing that same “product” he enjoyed via the Epstein-Maxwell pathway makes perfect sense.

[popsdenver]

30. Don't forget about

his other best buddy, Rush Limbaugh, Trump gave him a presidential medal in a ceremony, as Rush was on his way to the coffin........

Limbaugh would also load up HIS jet and take groups of buddies to SE Asia for "Parties".........

[EndlessWire]

31. Yeah, I agree with you

We get to think what we want, since we are denied the transparency.

I think rumpy is knee deep in the goo.

Well, what are we supposed to think? Pictures, interviews exist where he's close friends with a pedophile monster. He ran sources for little girls. He's probably on the plane flight logs. There are witnesses telling us what happened to them, and what rump did to them.

And now, we have Bondi and that lawyer actually visiting Maxwell in prison--highly suspicious, along with empty calls for the grand jury testimony to be released. What are we supposed to think about that?

I think rump sampled the goods. I think he had little girls set up for him. And, he admitted that he entered the dressing rooms just to get a look. What a vile creature.

And, I think there are tapes squirreled away, maybe multiple copies, and I think that's Maxwell's best chance to stay alive. Not that I care, mind you, it's just that if we get anybody, it should be rump. Other people have been left off or had greatly reduced sentences because they talked. I think those two cabinet level government sycophants went there for a very big reason.

Somebody on DU said that there was no list (because) there are actual tapes. I think this might be correct, and I think--because I have no reason not to think it--that trump is on a tape, maybe several, where he is in the act. I think he's a vicious monster. And, I don't think Epstein committed suicide.

I think there's a hunt on for the tapes. Any Dem in the mix, I don't care about being on flights. If they're on tape screwing a 13 year old little girl, they'll go down for it, same as the rest. I don't care who they are.

And when we see all this happening, what are we supposed to think? Believe in rump's gawdly goodness, the chosen one to destroy little kids? No wonder he doesn't care about taking away food stamps and school lunches.

He talked about doing his own kid. Utterly depraved POS.

[Joinfortmill]

35. I second that.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. You've got my point!

Without transparency I have no choice but to consider him a part of the criminal enterprise. He's a monumental shit ass - and a crook to the core.


We get to think what we want, since we are denied the transparency.

[Joinfortmill]

32. I'm sure it was a 'soup' of commingling.

[totodeinhere]

36. I just want all of the names and let the chips fall where they may.

Otherwise this will go on forever and we have two many urgent issues to concentrate on.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. Eh?

This is my answer to Benghazi and "but her emails".

I'm never letting it go. I think folks need to understand that.

Until the Regime falls - our issues won't be addressed. Focused on crushing them then treating them like the defeated they will be.

[H2O Man]

45. There are lots

of important issues. The trafficking and rape of children is one that many people pay attention to.

[H2O Man]

44. Recommended.

They considered going after models as sport. The felon was known for going into the dressing rooms at his Miss Universe pageants after buying it 1996. The fashion world is no kinder to females, and both Epstein and the felon had connections there.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. Yep

Casablancas and Trump Modeling Agency.

[Skittles]

49. I have long suspected Trump recruited girls for Epstein

and was paid a LOT for it

[viva la]

51. He certainly allowed Epstein access

To his young employees at Mar a Lago.

[Trueblue Texan]

53. More and more of us here seem to be leaning toward that conclusion. nt

[babsbunny]

54. Maybe an International Sex Trafficking Ring?

https://www.kptv.com/2025/07/17/oregon-senator-uncovers-epstein-financial-records-trump-calls-case-hoax/

PORTLAND Ore. (KPTV) - U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden is pushing back hard after President Donald Trump dismissed renewed interest in Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes as a “hoax” and a “scam.”

The Oregon Democrat revealed Thursday that a detailed Treasury Department file shows Epstein moved nearly $1.1 billion through just one of his bank accounts, including thousands of wire transfers possibly tied to sex trafficking.

Speaking as the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, Wyden said the still-undisclosed Epstein Treasury file contains “actionable information” that should be fully investigated.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. Follow the money

Say - did we ever see copies of his taxes?