General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums
gay texan
(3,081 posts)MLAA
(19,525 posts)
Fiendish Thingy
(20,863 posts)demmiblue
(38,766 posts)dhol82
(9,615 posts)What did he actually say?
MLAA
(19,525 posts)
Arthur_Frain
(2,242 posts)Why are you here again?
MLAA
(19,525 posts)Response to geojazz (Original post)
Post removed
MLAA
(19,525 posts)that climate change was one of the serious challenges for farmers. It was an awkward exchange then the host gently tried to address the this before returning to praising Mellencamp. Mellencamp made a couple of statements about scientists being wrong and back in the 70s they said we would have another ice age. Then some babble about the center of the earth getting hotter. This clearly happened and I yelled at the TV.
edited to add: Mellencamp seemed more like he was denying humans had anything to do with causing climate change, rather than denying climate change actually exists. It was a weird, uncomfortable exchange.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:04 AM - Edit history (1)
Sleepers. Provide a link, not a synopsis of what you think you heard.
ETA: I apologize to MLAA for my rude comment. In the interest of transparency, Ill leave the post standing along with this apology and my subsequent apology.
MLAA
(19,525 posts)but support Dems, Dems causes, other DUers and shut down trolls.
Sl8 found the clip.
Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1969598273540227349%7Ctwgr%5E6dc6c54e2b62ca2eda324d1fd00501bc97146ea0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F%3Fcom%3Dview_postforum%3D1002pid%3D20662289
Botany
(75,398 posts)In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. By 2000, computer calculations along with evidence from ancient climates showed unequivocally that human emissions of the gas were raising Earth's temperature.
*******
https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm#maunaloa
In Germany in the 1800s it was proved that the more CO 2 you have in a body of gas the more
heat that body of gas will hold. This is one of the universal gas laws and it has never been dis-
proven one time. The fossil fuel companies have literally spent 100s of billions of dollars selling
the lie that this isnt true. Exxons own scientists knew about this in the 1970s.
https://history.aip.org/climate/xKeeling71-2.htm
Heidi
(58,836 posts)I was frustrated and out of line.
MLAA
(19,525 posts)Captain Zero
(8,454 posts)nt
muriel_volestrangler
(104,862 posts)Leaping to "SLEEPER!!!!" just because someone doesn't immediately post a transcript of a live interview is reckless. And rude.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)oldmanlynn
(730 posts)What youre describing is essentially a person with a heavy maga view point that is step dancing carefully on the subject so he doesnt come across as a maga
sheshe2
(94,065 posts)Heres all I can say keep slugging, said Mellencamp, recalling how he and Willie Nelson and Neil Young formed Farm Aid in 1985 to support family farmers a commitment they have sustained for four decades, joined by Farm Aid board members Dave Matthews and Margo Price.
Weve been slugging since 1985 and lets keep slugging, said Mellencamp. Lets try to improve the quality of the food that we eat, the air that we breathe and the people that we are.
Taking the stage midday at Freedom Park, Mellencamp looked at the crowd before him and remarked: The faces are much younger than they used to be. And I think thats great that there are younger people trying to improve the planet and the food that we eat. So its up to you guys to lead the way.
snip
In recent years, there also has been an increasing awareness that industrial agriculture practiced on large corporate farms is contributing to the climate crisis. In a report in August 2021, the National Resources Defense Council stated that industrial agriculture is a significant source of carbon in the atmosphere.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/john-mellencamp-performs-tells-farmers-002615953.html
MLAA
(19,525 posts)
Emile
(37,898 posts)Google search results show he didn't.
MLAA
(19,525 posts)And no, I did not tape the show. Husband can attest that I yelled at the TV. Though his testimony could be considered hearsay.
Emile
(37,898 posts)MLAA
(19,525 posts)Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1969598273540227349%7Ctwgr%5E6dc6c54e2b62ca2eda324d1fd00501bc97146ea0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F%3Fcom%3Dview_postforum%3D1002pid%3D20662289
Emile
(37,898 posts)MLAA
(19,525 posts)Have a good day.
Have a good day.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)He believesas do Ithat the planet will survive but that humans and other life form may/will not. YOU explain how thats climate change denial. Go ahead. Well wait.
NickB79
(20,113 posts)When he brought up the crazy claim that the Earth's core is warming (it's cooling, btw) as an explanation for climate change.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
muriel_volestrangler
(104,862 posts)It's not (very gradually gets cooler), and to lie like that is malicious. He repeats the climate denier tropes - "always happened", "scientists said it was cooling".
If you don't know anything about climate denial, you might think that's not denial. But it is. The point is he denies that what's happening now is unusual, and that humans are causing it. That is just what climate change deniers do. Find out more about it, before defending it.
sl8
(16,880 posts)Owl
(3,748 posts)MLAA
(19,525 posts)I just spent the last few minutes getting harangued by a poster and called a sleeper by another poster for expressing a similar reaction.
Xavier Breath
(6,150 posts)He's one of the few artists I ever paid to see in person, and I've got quite a few of his albums.
Just another aging rocker I'll have to view with a jaundiced eye.
MLAA
(19,525 posts)I also loved Meatloafs Bat out of Hell album.
Montauk6
(9,253 posts)He's from the school of thought that the planet itself is invincible but, unlike the bozovian Right, he's not saying we have zilch to panic about. Planet survives, the people end.
Make of that what you will. Big beautiful voluptuously phat-ass kudos to sl8 for posting the video.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)I watched the clip. He asserted the opposite.
CivicGrief
(212 posts)Which is just as bad. I sense a foolish libertarian slant in his words. Or he is utterly naive.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)CivicGrief
(212 posts)Can you see that?
Heidi
(58,836 posts)Can you see that?
CivicGrief
(212 posts)We did not cause it. Scientists were wrong. We cant do anything about it. Nothing to see here. Quibbling over semantics can do harm.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)whichto his credithe didnt do. To be honest, I dont give half a :poop: about this guys opinion. It wont change a thing about *anyones* CO2 mitigation efforts.
CivicGrief
(212 posts)Naturally occurring periods of heating and cooling does deny a change. Maybe his point about the core heating up gives him an out, but I dont buy what he said. I dont care about his opinions, but he has a platform to speak to many people.
stopdiggin
(14,449 posts)and ignorance with a capital 'I' ... Please don't lend any support to the arrant nonsense and conspiracy crowd. (of which Mellencamp appears to be a solid and contributing member)
The scientific community uses the term anthropocentric global warming (AGW) - and specifically spotlight, and attempt to tease out and quantify - the element of human based contribution. Scientific consensus opinion is that there is a fairly significant (and important) human based factor in current climate behavior.
SamuelTheThird
(292 posts)I think they know a tad more than you.
Saying climate change is due to the core of the earth is denialsm.
NickB79
(20,113 posts)"I do know the Earth's core has been getting hotter."
That's literally what climate deniers do, now that they can't deny the warming trend we're in: claim any warning we see is part of a natural cycle to minimize human influence, to deflect any attempts to reduce carbon emissions.
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2017/04/04/how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/
In this day and age, with the mountains of evidence at our disposal, anything less than "Climate change is real, the climate scientists were right, and humans are causing it" is in the denier/minimizer camp.
Heidi
(58,836 posts)He may be an its-too-late guy (lots of scientists agree that were now at mitigation level rather than reverse the paradigm level) or a Gaia-will-survive guy (which is woo but so far not historically inaccurateI have far-left friends who hold the same view).
In any case, hes just a B-list celebrity with reasonably good hair and an opinion. I cant imagine that his opinion will dissuade climate action efforts.
Response to NickB79 (Reply #37)
Name removed Message auto-removed
Bernardo de La Paz
(58,968 posts)Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #53)
Name removed Message auto-removed
uppityperson
(115,973 posts)GreenWave
(11,695 posts)A chunk of Antarctica broke off and is in the process of adding two more feet to ocean levels. Another chunk is breaking off to add an additional 4 feet and a whopper behind that of 10 more feet.
So that means on the average 16 more feet cougar melonheadcamp. Not normal!
walkingman
(9,886 posts)sop
(16,234 posts)displacedvermoter
(3,934 posts)John "Face Eating" Cougar Mellencamp?
Totally Tunsie
(11,288 posts)Interesting that the only place its being reported online is through Facebook posts about it, and for whatever reason, there is a big denial rom AI that it happened. IT DID!
A sample of one of his comments (paraphrasing) was: "They've been talking about this supposed change in climate since the 1970's and if it were true, we'd all be wearing overcoats right now." He had several other comments but the late hour and a good dose of the flu have blanked me out. He was really rather snide, and I was appalled at what he had to say. How strange that this dialogue has apparently been scrubbed when others were allowed their say.
All I can find at the moment are posts by others appearing on Facebook. A few samples:
1)"And then he denies climate change in the post-interview with CNNs climate reporter!"
2)"His interview was insane. Cranky old man denying current reality. And I'm of his generation."
3)"He claimed that scientists were wrong in their assumptions."
By the way, wasn't Neil Young's "Big Crime" an amazing song? TRUTH..."But there's crime in DC at the White House".
[
ETA: LOL - took me so long to post that much had to be deleted as obsolete.
geojazz
(85 posts)Mellencamp is wrong on this!! His comments are dangerous! Living in S. Florida, I see encroaching effects every year! Anyone that can agree with him is totally out of touch with reality!!
Deuxcents
(24,222 posts)MrWowWow
(1,393 posts)His exact phrasing about climate change being just a natural cycle, and dismissing human impact (I dont know about that its been happening forever we wont kill the planet), puts him squarely in the category of denying anthropogenic climate change, even if he couches it in softer language. That position is consistent with whats classically called climate denial.
Lulu KC
(8,271 posts)I'm on my way out the door so I can't dissect this, but found this for later. I'm curious.
https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/se/date/2025-09-20/segment/05
muriel_volestrangler
(104,862 posts)because it is simple climate denial, with bullshit fake science - "I think the core of the Earth gets hotter and it's been happening forever". No, that's a lie. If you start off your talk with a direct lie, you are a denier. This is not ignorance on his part. He's lying to the interviewer on purpose. He goes on to wheel out the tired crap that all deniers do about "scientists said it was cooling in the 70s".
Look, people here may like his economic politics, but that's denial as bad as Trump. Educate yourselves, and accept that your hero in one category can be a dangerous idiot in another.
Maru Kitteh
(30,734 posts)stopdiggin
(14,449 posts)contrary to scientific consensus. and pig ignorant.
Next!
MichMan
(16,012 posts)Make a statement by setting an example
SamuelTheThird
(292 posts)Was never really a fan but he seemed ok. Brainrot
betsuni
(28,381 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)
Mellencamp: "We are not going to kill this planet. We might kill ourselves but we won't kill the planet. The planet will live on."
*Carlin's 1992 The Planet is Fine
Heidi
(58,836 posts)from a sacred cow. I love(d) George Carlin, as do many here. Thank you for this post.
SamuelTheThird
(292 posts)Saying 'the planet' will be fine means what?
We're currently in the 6th extinction, and that is human induced. So it's a lot more than humans just affected.
Carlin to my knowledge never denied anthropogenic climate change, the way John Cougar just did.