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John Mellencamp denied climate change at Farm Aid last night!! (Original Post) geojazz Sep 21 OP
I smell pizza gay texan Sep 21 #1
See my post below, please. MLAA Sep 21 #9
There is no "post below". Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 21 #16
Link or slink. TIA demmiblue Sep 21 #2
Reliable information or it's not true. dhol82 Sep 21 #3
See my post below. MLAA Sep 21 #8
Twice you've posted this now with no link. Arthur_Frain Sep 21 #4
Please see my post below. MLAA Sep 21 #10
Post removed Post removed Sep 21 #5
I'm a long time DUer and I heard him disagree with the host interviewing him (mostly praising him) when the host cited MLAA Sep 21 #7
We have a term for longtime DUers who disrrupt. Heidi Sep 21 #14
Ouch. A tad harsh to suggest I'm a sleeper without taking a glance at any of the 19,000 posts that have done nothing MLAA Sep 21 #19
Fucking idiot. Botany Sep 21 #36
I apologize for my rude comment to you. Heidi Sep 22 #63
Thank you Heidi, I appreciate it. We all are on edge these days 🙂 MLAA Sep 22 #68
JM is drinking too much of his own whiskey Captain Zero Sep 22 #65
I bet you feel awful for saying that, now that's it's been proved he's a denier. muriel_volestrangler Sep 21 #56
You are right that it was a rude comment. I have apologized. (nt) Heidi Sep 22 #64
Without having saw it oldmanlynn Sep 21 #60
No, he did not! sheshe2 Sep 21 #6
Please see my post below. MLAA Sep 21 #11
Still you never provided a link to prove you are right. Emile Sep 21 #12
Kindly relook at my updated response where I added another sentence. MLAA Sep 21 #13
I have, and still no proof. Emile Sep 21 #15
Sl8 found the clip. MLAA Sep 21 #18
and what did you learn by watching the clip? Emile Sep 21 #21
I learned that we disagree on what we saw. And we both have better things to do than continue this thread. MLAA Sep 21 #22
LOL Emile Sep 21 #24
Are you effin' kidding us? He ASSERTS that climate change is happening Heidi Sep 21 #26
Mellonkamp falls squarely into Category 2 of climate denialism NickB79 Sep 21 #40
Like fuck he does. He lies that "the core of the Earth gets hotter and it's been happening forever" muriel_volestrangler Sep 21 #57
Video clip of the interview: sl8 Sep 21 #17
Dang. That was disappointing from Mellencamp. Owl Sep 21 #20
I thought so also and it was awkward for the interviewer. MLAA Sep 21 #25
It was disappointing. Xavier Breath Sep 21 #38
He was just becoming big my last year or so in college and I too loved his music. MLAA Sep 21 #62
MMMMMMmmmmm, walks a thin line... Montauk6 Sep 21 #23
Oh, he did not. Heidi Sep 21 #27
He denied the reason, CivicGrief Sep 21 #29
That's not climate change denial. (nt) Heidi Sep 21 #30
The result is the same. CivicGrief Sep 21 #33
This thread isn't about the result. It's about an accusation of climate change denial. Heidi Sep 21 #35
Denial comes in many forms. CivicGrief Sep 21 #39
Primarily it comes in the form of actual denial, Heidi Sep 21 #43
Well, saying the earth has CivicGrief Sep 21 #45
denying that climate change is human driven - is absolutely denial and deflection stopdiggin Sep 21 #47
Climate scientists would define what he said as denial SamuelTheThird Sep 22 #70
"Now let's talk about climate change. I don't know about that" NickB79 Sep 21 #37
But he doesn't deny it, does he? Heidi Sep 21 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 21 #52
Cons like you are doctrinaire and unwilling to learn. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 21 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 21 #54
Is that what your library research showed you? uppityperson Sep 21 #59
2+ 4+10 equals 16 GreenWave Sep 21 #28
Well, that's the consensus for many people that don't believe in science. walkingman Sep 21 #31
Surprised no one's posted anything about face eating cougars. sop Sep 21 #32
You mean displacedvermoter Sep 21 #51
Well. I saw it too, and he DEFINITELY denied climate change. Totally Tunsie Sep 21 #34
Thanks for agreeing with me!! geojazz Sep 21 #46
Neil Young has never waived from his convictions..that, we can count on 📎 Deuxcents Sep 21 #58
Mellencamp Is a Denier of Human-Induced Climate Change MrWowWow Sep 21 #42
CNN transcript Lulu KC Sep 21 #44
Anyone who thinks that's not climate denial needs to read that, and then inform themselves about climate denial muriel_volestrangler Sep 21 #55
⬆️⬆️ THIS ⬆️⬆️ Maru Kitteh Sep 21 #61
saying that, "But humans aren't necessarily causing it .. " - - is absolutley denial stopdiggin Sep 21 #48
I just wish celebrities would reduce their own carbon footprints by getting rid of their McMansions and private jets MichMan Sep 21 #49
What a fucking nitwit SamuelTheThird Sep 21 #50
George Carlin: "The planet is fine. The people are fucked. ... The planet isn't going anywhere, we are." * betsuni Sep 22 #66
No one wants to hear virtually the same view Heidi Sep 22 #67
Carlin's remark was stupid SamuelTheThird Sep 22 #69

Response to geojazz (Original post)

MLAA

(19,525 posts)
7. I'm a long time DUer and I heard him disagree with the host interviewing him (mostly praising him) when the host cited
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 10:47 AM
Sep 21

that climate change was one of the serious challenges for farmers. It was an awkward exchange then the host gently tried to address the this before returning to praising Mellencamp. Mellencamp made a couple of statements about scientists being wrong and back in the 70s they said we would have another ice age. Then some babble about the center of the earth getting hotter. This clearly happened and I yelled at the TV.


edited to add: Mellencamp seemed more like he was denying humans had anything to do with causing climate change, rather than denying climate change actually exists. It was a weird, uncomfortable exchange.

Heidi

(58,836 posts)
14. We have a term for longtime DUers who disrrupt.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:04 AM
Sep 21

Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:04 AM - Edit history (1)

Sleepers. Provide a link, not a synopsis of what you think you heard.

ETA: I apologize to MLAA for my rude comment. In the interest of transparency, I’ll leave the post standing along with this apology and my subsequent apology.

MLAA

(19,525 posts)
19. Ouch. A tad harsh to suggest I'm a sleeper without taking a glance at any of the 19,000 posts that have done nothing
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:21 AM
Sep 21

but support Dems, Dems causes, other DUers and shut down trolls.

Sl8 found the clip.


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Botany

(75,398 posts)
36. Fucking idiot.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:59 AM
Sep 21

“In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. By 2000, computer calculations along with evidence from ancient climates showed unequivocally that human emissions of the gas were raising Earth's temperature.”

*******

https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm#maunaloa

In Germany in the 1800s it was proved that the more CO 2 you have in a body of gas the more
heat that body of gas will hold. This is one of the universal gas laws and it has never been dis-
proven one time. The fossil fuel companies have literally spent 100s of billions of dollars selling
the lie that this isn’t true. Exxon’s own scientists knew about this in the 1970s.

https://history.aip.org/climate/xKeeling71-2.htm


muriel_volestrangler

(104,862 posts)
56. I bet you feel awful for saying that, now that's it's been proved he's a denier.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 03:12 PM
Sep 21

Leaping to "SLEEPER!!!!" just because someone doesn't immediately post a transcript of a live interview is reckless. And rude.

oldmanlynn

(730 posts)
60. Without having saw it
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 04:46 PM
Sep 21

What you’re describing is essentially a person with a heavy maga view point that is step dancing carefully on the subject so he doesn’t come across as a maga

sheshe2

(94,065 posts)
6. No, he did not!
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 10:41 AM
Sep 21

“Here’s all I can say – keep slugging,” said Mellencamp, recalling how he and Willie Nelson and Neil Young formed Farm Aid in 1985 to support family farmers — a commitment they have sustained for four decades, joined by Farm Aid board members Dave Matthews and Margo Price.

“We’ve been slugging since 1985 and let’s keep slugging,” said Mellencamp. “Let’s try to improve the quality of the food that we eat, the air that we breathe and the people that we are.”

Taking the stage midday at Freedom Park, Mellencamp looked at the crowd before him and remarked: “The faces are much younger than they used to be. And I think that’s great that there are younger people trying to improve the planet and the food that we eat. So it’s up to you guys to lead the way.”

snip


In recent years, there also has been an increasing awareness that industrial agriculture practiced on large corporate farms is contributing to the climate crisis. In a report in August 2021, the National Resources Defense Council stated that industrial agriculture is a “significant source” of carbon in the atmosphere.



https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/john-mellencamp-performs-tells-farmers-002615953.html

Emile

(37,898 posts)
12. Still you never provided a link to prove you are right.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 10:59 AM
Sep 21

Google search results show he didn't.

MLAA

(19,525 posts)
13. Kindly relook at my updated response where I added another sentence.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:04 AM
Sep 21

And no, I did not tape the show. Husband can attest that I yelled at the TV. Though his testimony could be considered hearsay.

MLAA

(19,525 posts)
18. Sl8 found the clip.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:17 AM
Sep 21

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MLAA

(19,525 posts)
22. I learned that we disagree on what we saw. And we both have better things to do than continue this thread.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:24 AM
Sep 21

Have a good day.

Heidi

(58,836 posts)
26. Are you effin' kidding us? He ASSERTS that climate change is happening
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:26 AM
Sep 21

He believes—as do I—that the planet will survive but that humans and other life form may/will not. YOU explain how that’s climate change denial. Go ahead. We’ll wait.

NickB79

(20,113 posts)
40. Mellonkamp falls squarely into Category 2 of climate denialism
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:10 PM
Sep 21

When he brought up the crazy claim that the Earth's core is warming (it's cooling, btw) as an explanation for climate change.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

2. Attribution skeptics or deniers (who accept the climate change trends but claim there are natural causes for this, not human-made ones): "A few of them even deny that the rise in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content is anthropogenic; they claim that the atmospheric carbon dioxide is released from the ocean by natural processes.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,862 posts)
57. Like fuck he does. He lies that "the core of the Earth gets hotter and it's been happening forever"
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 03:16 PM
Sep 21

It's not (very gradually gets cooler), and to lie like that is malicious. He repeats the climate denier tropes - "always happened", "scientists said it was cooling".

If you don't know anything about climate denial, you might think that's not denial. But it is. The point is he denies that what's happening now is unusual, and that humans are causing it. That is just what climate change deniers do. Find out more about it, before defending it.

MLAA

(19,525 posts)
25. I thought so also and it was awkward for the interviewer.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:26 AM
Sep 21

I just spent the last few minutes getting harangued by a poster and called a sleeper by another poster for expressing a similar reaction.

Xavier Breath

(6,150 posts)
38. It was disappointing.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:04 PM
Sep 21

He's one of the few artists I ever paid to see in person, and I've got quite a few of his albums.

Just another aging rocker I'll have to view with a jaundiced eye.

MLAA

(19,525 posts)
62. He was just becoming big my last year or so in college and I too loved his music.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 07:02 PM
Sep 21

I also loved Meatloaf’s Bat out of Hell album.

Montauk6

(9,253 posts)
23. MMMMMMmmmmm, walks a thin line...
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:24 AM
Sep 21

He's from the school of thought that the planet itself is invincible but, unlike the bozovian Right, he's not saying we have zilch to panic about. Planet survives, the people end.

Make of that what you will. Big beautiful voluptuously phat-ass kudos to sl8 for posting the video.

CivicGrief

(212 posts)
29. He denied the reason,
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:40 AM
Sep 21

Which is just as bad. I sense a foolish libertarian slant in his words. Or he is utterly naive.

Heidi

(58,836 posts)
35. This thread isn't about the result. It's about an accusation of climate change denial.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:57 AM
Sep 21

Can you see that?

CivicGrief

(212 posts)
39. Denial comes in many forms.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:07 PM
Sep 21

We did not cause it. Scientists were wrong. We can’t do anything about it. Nothing to see here. Quibbling over semantics can do harm.

Heidi

(58,836 posts)
43. Primarily it comes in the form of actual denial,
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:20 PM
Sep 21

which—to his credit—he didn’t do. To be honest, I don’t give half a :poop: about this guy’s opinion. It won’t change a thing about *anyone’s* CO2 mitigation efforts.

CivicGrief

(212 posts)
45. Well, saying the earth has
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:50 PM
Sep 21

Naturally occurring periods of heating and cooling does deny a change. Maybe his point about the core heating up gives him an out, but I don’t buy what he said. I don’t care about his opinions, but he has a platform to speak to many people.

stopdiggin

(14,449 posts)
47. denying that climate change is human driven - is absolutely denial and deflection
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 01:53 PM
Sep 21

and ignorance with a capital 'I' ... Please don't lend any support to the arrant nonsense and conspiracy crowd. (of which Mellencamp appears to be a solid and contributing member)

The scientific community uses the term anthropocentric global warming (AGW) - and specifically spotlight, and attempt to tease out and quantify - the element of human based contribution. Scientific consensus opinion is that there is a fairly significant (and important) human based factor in current climate behavior.

SamuelTheThird

(292 posts)
70. Climate scientists would define what he said as denial
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:36 PM
Sep 22

I think they know a tad more than you.

Saying climate change is due to the core of the earth is denialsm.

NickB79

(20,113 posts)
37. "Now let's talk about climate change. I don't know about that"
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:01 PM
Sep 21

"I do know the Earth's core has been getting hotter."

That's literally what climate deniers do, now that they can't deny the warming trend we're in: claim any warning we see is part of a natural cycle to minimize human influence, to deflect any attempts to reduce carbon emissions.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2017/04/04/how-we-know-climate-change-is-not-natural/

In this day and age, with the mountains of evidence at our disposal, anything less than "Climate change is real, the climate scientists were right, and humans are causing it" is in the denier/minimizer camp.

Heidi

(58,836 posts)
41. But he doesn't deny it, does he?
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:16 PM
Sep 21

He may be an “it’s-too-late” guy (lots of scientists agree that we’re now at mitigation level rather than reverse the paradigm level) or a “Gaia-will-survive” guy (which is woo but so far not historically inaccurate—I have far-left friends who hold the same view).

In any case, he’s just a B-list celebrity with reasonably good hair and an opinion. I can’t imagine that his opinion will dissuade climate action efforts.

Response to NickB79 (Reply #37)

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #53)

GreenWave

(11,695 posts)
28. 2+ 4+10 equals 16
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:35 AM
Sep 21

A chunk of Antarctica broke off and is in the process of adding two more feet to ocean levels. Another chunk is breaking off to add an additional 4 feet and a whopper behind that of 10 more feet.

So that means on the average 16 more feet cougar melonheadcamp. Not normal!

Totally Tunsie

(11,288 posts)
34. Well. I saw it too, and he DEFINITELY denied climate change.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 11:46 AM
Sep 21

Interesting that the only place its being reported online is through Facebook posts about it, and for whatever reason, there is a big denial rom AI that it happened. IT DID!

A sample of one of his comments (paraphrasing) was: "They've been talking about this supposed change in climate since the 1970's and if it were true, we'd all be wearing overcoats right now." He had several other comments but the late hour and a good dose of the flu have blanked me out. He was really rather snide, and I was appalled at what he had to say. How strange that this dialogue has apparently been scrubbed when others were allowed their say.

All I can find at the moment are posts by others appearing on Facebook. A few samples:
1)"And then he denies climate change in the post-interview with CNN’s climate reporter!"
2)"His interview was insane. Cranky old man denying current reality. And I'm of his generation."
3)"He claimed that scientists were wrong in their assumptions."

By the way, wasn't Neil Young's "Big Crime" an amazing song? TRUTH..."But there's crime in DC at the White House".
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ETA: LOL - took me so long to post that much had to be deleted as obsolete.

geojazz

(85 posts)
46. Thanks for agreeing with me!!
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 01:09 PM
Sep 21

Mellencamp is wrong on this!! His comments are dangerous! Living in S. Florida, I see encroaching effects every year! Anyone that can agree with him is totally out of touch with reality!!

MrWowWow

(1,393 posts)
42. Mellencamp Is a Denier of Human-Induced Climate Change
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 12:16 PM
Sep 21

His exact phrasing about climate change being just a natural cycle, and dismissing human impact (“I don’t know about that … it’s been happening forever … we won’t kill the planet”), puts him squarely in the category of denying anthropogenic climate change, even if he couches it in softer language. That position is consistent with what’s classically called climate denial.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,862 posts)
55. Anyone who thinks that's not climate denial needs to read that, and then inform themselves about climate denial
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 03:09 PM
Sep 21

because it is simple climate denial, with bullshit fake science - "I think the core of the Earth gets hotter and it's been happening forever". No, that's a lie. If you start off your talk with a direct lie, you are a denier. This is not ignorance on his part. He's lying to the interviewer on purpose. He goes on to wheel out the tired crap that all deniers do about "scientists said it was cooling in the 70s".

Look, people here may like his economic politics, but that's denial as bad as Trump. Educate yourselves, and accept that your hero in one category can be a dangerous idiot in another.

stopdiggin

(14,449 posts)
48. saying that, "But humans aren't necessarily causing it .. " - - is absolutley denial
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 02:03 PM
Sep 21

contrary to scientific consensus. and pig ignorant.

Next!

MichMan

(16,012 posts)
49. I just wish celebrities would reduce their own carbon footprints by getting rid of their McMansions and private jets
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 02:22 PM
Sep 21

Make a statement by setting an example

betsuni

(28,381 posts)
66. George Carlin: "The planet is fine. The people are fucked. ... The planet isn't going anywhere, we are." *
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:34 AM
Sep 22

Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Mellencamp: "We are not going to kill this planet. We might kill ourselves but we won't kill the planet. The planet will live on."

*Carlin's 1992 The Planet is Fine

Heidi

(58,836 posts)
67. No one wants to hear virtually the same view
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:24 AM
Sep 22

from a sacred cow. I love(d) George Carlin, as do many here. Thank you for this post.

SamuelTheThird

(292 posts)
69. Carlin's remark was stupid
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:35 PM
Sep 22

Saying 'the planet' will be fine means what?

We're currently in the 6th extinction, and that is human induced. So it's a lot more than humans just affected.

Carlin to my knowledge never denied anthropogenic climate change, the way John Cougar just did.

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