This is why #maga people are so angry, and why #leftists should not let up

[ihaveaquestion]

I learned a term this morning that gave me new clarity and conviction in #progressive beliefs, while simultaneously articulating something I haven't been able to articulate for over 10 years -- that is, WHY it seems there are more right-wing crazies in the world than ever, and why they are still so damn #angry even after winning elections. The concept is called #extinctionburst, and it makes so. much. sense. when you apply it to national #politics.

[Buns_of_Fire]

1. Characteristics, according to Google AI:

Key Characteristics

Increased Responding: The behavior that is being extinguished temporarily increases in frequency, intensity, or duration.

Temporary: The burst is a short-lived phase; the behavior will eventually decrease to low or zero levels as the person learns that the behavior no longer produces a reinforcement.

A Result of Extinction: It happens when the "contingency between a response and its reinforcing consequence is terminated".

Familiar Method: The individual is essentially trying the old method more forcefully, trying to get the desired result, not understanding that the contingency has changed.

Can't say that Krasnov and Nosferatu aren't doing their level best as cheerleaders to keep the hatred flowing.

[FakeNoose]

4. AI forgot to mention something

They also have gunz, ammo, and in some cases, homemade bombs.

[Queso Delicioso]

32. So do we.

Well, maybe not with the homemade bombs, but I think it's pretty clear that we too have guns and know how to use them. We just don't revel in it like sickos.

[mucholderthandirt]

35. We may not have the homemade bombs, but we're smart and can learn new things!

They underestimate us at their peril!

Also, we can act as a solitary unit, without having to check Fox news or Truth Social every five minutes.

[highplainsdem]

8. Please don't post AI slop, which includes AI summaries, here. Not only are they often wrong with

stunningly bad misinformation, but when they are right it's because websites that need the traffic were ripped off - often with such frequent scraping it increases costs for the website, as it has with DU (EarlG has mentioned this).

[LisaM]

14. I agree. I try hard to avoid AI summaries.

They automatically appear at the beginning of things like search results but I bypass them. Among other things, they use huge amounts of power. What good is it for everyone to be in an EV if we're consuming massive amounts of electricity to pull up these somewhat fallacious summaries?

[eppur_se_muova]

16. See if your browser can refuse them. I use the Firefox extension udm14, or you can add &udm14 to any Google search.

Last edited Sun Sep 28, 2025, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Or go to page https://udm14.com/ to begin your search.

Remember, AI searches consume absurd amounts of energy, adding to GHG-induced global warming. The environment will thank you.


CORRECTION: That's &udm=14 in a Google search (DU doesn't allow = in the title bar)

[Dem2theMax]

23. You can also add this to the end of any search query

-ai

Works on every search engine I've tried. Just make sure you put in -AI after whatever you're searching for, and it won't show you any AI results.
(It doesn't need to be in caps.)

[Bayard]

26. Thanks for that!

[Dem2theMax]

28. You are welcome! Someone else told me, and I use it all the time.

[BComplex]

33. Could you please start a new thread with that? Maybe EarlG could pin it for a couple of

days so everyone could have a chance to see it! Very useful information...for DU and for the world!

AI has some great uses, but message boards aren't always one of those.

[Dem2theMax]

36. Will do!

Just not sure where I should put it. General discussion, the lounge, computer help?? Or??

Any suggestions from anyone?

[BComplex]

42. Sorry I didn't reply sooner...just got back home.

I would suggest General Discussion, since it could affect just about everyone.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Fascinating! Thank you, my dear ihaveaquestion!

[COL Mustard]

6. Glad to see you are back!

DFW posted that you were on the mend. I hope you are well!

[rampartd]

3. "darkest before dawn?"

[PJMcK]

12. Such a dumb phrase!

First, it doesn't make any sense because "Dawn is the time that marks the beginning of twilight before sunrise. It is recognized by the appearance of indirect sunlight being scattered in Earth's atmosphere, when the centre of the Sun's disc has reached 18° below the observer's horizon."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn

Therefore, there is already sunlight scattering in the atmosphere before "dawn" so it isn't dark. Depending on the observer's location, the darkest time of night on a Moon-less night would probably be between 1:00 and 3:00 AM.

Still. the expression has a poetic quality.

Second, in the context of the post, there is a presumption of an outcome that is not guaranteed.

[eppur_se_muova]

17. Well, it doesn't say *immediately* before the dawn, just "before". But poetic license is the deciding factor. nt

[Walleye]

5. That's interesting, I have called at the supernova of bigotry. Let's hope it burns itself out.

[druidity33]

7. Overshoot comes before drawdown... so yeah that sounds right. nt.

[Heidi]

9. I think he's FAR too optimistic. (nt)

[flashman13]

10. Could we please drop the term "leftists" and go to something like "normal people".

That would then include all of the Woke Folk who believe in being humanitarian toward their fellow citizens. Love thy neighbor and provide aid and comfort to those in need is not an ideology. Those are things that you do when you want to live in a sane, peaceful and inclusive society. We have strayed so far from those ideals. Even in this hour of darkness, I still believe we can find our way back to a better and just society.

[Seinan Sensei]

11. And let's drop the term "conservative" while we're at it

Right Wing or Fascist would be more appropriate

[Champp]

13. losers

[chowmama]

15. This seems related to the Dead Cat Bounce.

[intrepidity]

18. But right now they *are* being rewarded

Every time Trump speaks, they are rewarded. Every single day a new outrage (to us) confirms them.

I don't quite get how to apply this.

Where is the evidence that they are not being rewarded? Because to me, it looks like they are. So the behavior persists and even spreads.

[Skittles]

21. yes

I would say their "reward" is deportations, fed firings......MAGAts really get off on human suffering

[mopinko]

30. and troops in the streets.

there r magats in chicago, and they’re cheering for troops in the streets.

[mopinko]

31. when they come for them

maybe they’ll wake up? those triple trump farmers r watching their crops rot.
i recall in his 1st term that several soy bean silos exploded from the fermenting beans.

[intrepidity]

37. They'll calm down when their bailout checks come. nt

[Collimator]

19. I have referred to this anger as being like a wasp at the end of the summer.

They sense they are going to die and they become VERY aggressive.

Kid you not, I once saw a wasp in a wrestling match with a blue jay.

Also on the avoiding AI point, didn't someone here at DU suggest including an expletive in search phrases as a way of weeding out such responses?

Instead of typing "When was knitting invented?", type "When the fuck was knitting invented?" Don't pretend that it won't come naturally to some of you.

[ihaveaquestion]

29. Cranky Old Wasps eh? Wasp Dementia? Or Alzheimer's?

[Joinfortmill]

20. About AI. I know it's the new boogey man..

But I find it quite informative and accurate. It's a tool and like any tool, use it with caution & discretion.

[proud patriot]

22. Thanks for posting

A great reminder for us

[kellytore]

24. In psychology they teach the best way to deal with extinction burst is

to not give in to the behavior or reintroduce the reinforcer, as this will only teach the individual to escalate their efforts.

[OverBurn]

25. Will it? Will it burst? The crazy might just win.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

27. Saw this on tik tok

And it makes sense there was a lot of thought provoking stuff on tiktok guess it will get worse they banned me for a really flimsy reason and gave me no chance to appeal . They are banning a lot of people like the guy you posted here . They are trying to make it another right wing cesspool.

I wish Biden never banned it.

[malaise]

34. Must watch

Rec

[InfiniteStardust]

38. Now that was very interesting!

I can't help thinking that the extinction burst is going to take decades, though.

I also loved Joy Reid's recent take on why R's are still so angry.

[ihaveaquestion]

39. This it?

[InfiniteStardust]

40. Yes

Well, that was part of it. The whole clip is worth watching.

[ihaveaquestion]

41. I'll bet - I'll keep looking for it.