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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSure looks like Garland blew it....
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/trump-legal-probes-biden-justice-department-garland-rcna240342Acting on a mix of principle and caution, Justice Department officials under former President Joe Biden made a series of decisions that significantly delayed and ultimately may have hampered the federal criminal investigations into President Donald Trump, according to a new book.
The slow decision-making at the top of Attorney General Merrick Garlands Justice Department affected two major probes into Trump after he lost the White House in 2020: whether he illegally possessed and obstructed the retrieval of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence, and whether he conspired illegally to overturn the 2020 election.
Far from rushing the Trump cases, FBI and Justice Department officials chose to move cautiously and slowly over concerns about the implications of investigating a former and possibly future president, taking pains to insulate the probes from even the appearance of politics.
Details of the debates inside the Justice Department  and their impact on the Trump investigations, which both sputtered for different reasons  were revealed as part of a new book, Injustice: How Politics and Fear Vanquished Americas Justice Department by MSNBC investigative correspondent Carol Leonnig and Washington Post reporter Aaron C. Davis. MSNBC obtained excerpts of the book before it was published.
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Nothing new here. We all followed the blow by blow on this on a daily basis for four freaking years. But seeing the reasoning behind the delays going from DU speculation to black and white in a book is another kick in the face.
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				Irish_Dem
(77,018 posts)LymphocyteLover
(8,947 posts)I find that hard to believe and gross without any evidence of actual corruption.
His actions make total sense from what we know about him and the DOJ the way it used to be.
Irish_Dem
(77,018 posts)I don't believe in coincidences, they take a lot of planning.
Garland is responsible for the downfall of this country.
He is either totally incompetent or was part of the crime of the century.
Installing the first American fascist, racist, dictator. 
LymphocyteLover
(8,947 posts)He might be in the top 10 list of people responsible for where we are, but definitely not in the top 5 IMHO
Chicagogrl1
(592 posts)The buck stopped w/ him. He did not do his job in a timely manner.
Irish_Dem
(77,018 posts)Data obviously points to Garland.
Only two possibilities. 
Garland is incompetent or part of the crime.
Either way he is culpable.
Maybe not legally but morally and ethically. 
He is on the list of damn rat bastards. 
rampartd
(2,788 posts)bribery certainly applies in several supreme cases, 
and ambition in others (the current ag and the judge in palm beach or where ever. )but garland and others may have just been afraid of the retribution. as if that can ever be avoided when powerful people are erasing their crimes from history.
bigtree
(93,116 posts)Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:
Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state
Who bribed him to sucessfully prosecute over 1200 Trump-supporting rioters on charges up to Sedition?
 Should be obvious that, without Garland's convictions of rioters, there wouldn't be firm evidence of Trump's complicity
...before Trump was indicted, Merrick Garland was quietly in court getting Giuliani & Parnas Etc etc's phone & email records. Garland smartly let J6 panel do their thing while he did his parallel. Jack Smith's filings show DOJ has evidence J6 committee never got.
But there are still people drafting over the top criticisms off of ONE article by WaPo's Carol Leonning claiming DOJ 'waited' or dithered around before the Jan. 6 committee spurred them to act.
It's that insidiously pernicious lie which has obscurred the actual work Merrick Garland has done from the beginning, including appointing the soecial counsel, by his own decision, who accelerated and deepened the investigations into Trump.
Even less is made by critics of the importance of Garland's prosecutors convictions of 1000's of 'foot soldiers,' including convictions for sedition and interfering with the certification of votes by Congress, something that the Jan. 6 committee focused almost exclusively on.
But none of that has stopped these Garland attackers from repeating their lies... 
Hassler
(4,621 posts)Rather ignore. It's almost like they want to absolve McConnell and the SCROTUS 6.
ancianita
(42,424 posts)Shipwack
(2,899 posts)They can all be considered, if only for completeness sake. 
That being said, I think he was just the right man at the wrong time. He would have been a fine AG in more normal circumstances. He just failed to rise to the occasion. 
ancianita
(42,424 posts)He did not fail. That's been factually made clear on DU at least ten times. I've got at least 9 more. 
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219902669#post16
No one who wants a scapegoat cares about the facts of Garland's work.
Trueblue Texan
(3,941 posts)We are too fucking polite, we struggle with the idea that civilized people can behave in uncivilized ways. Even when evidence dictates we are dealing with the lowest scumbags on earth, we're afraid to insult them with accusations and public revelations of who they really are. The media does the same thing. How many years was Dump allowed to tell blatant lies to the public before anyone in the media called him a liar? Even now, you rarely hear that truth spoken allowed. And now he has intimidated everyone so no one is willing to speak. By not calling out the bullies early, we allowed them to gain far too much influence.
70sEraVet
(5,059 posts)While the other team has been playing by Calvinball rules.
We have just begun to accept the fact that the Republican Party under trump is a criminal organization, whose only goal is the enrichment and continuation of power of its members.
Stacey Grove
(73 posts)they simply do whatever they please.
yellow dahlia
(3,731 posts)GOP = Gaslighters On Parade
PatSeg
(51,338 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:27 PM - Edit history (1)
"We are too fucking polite", the problem is they lack basic decency, manners, and morality. We shouldn't be penalized for being civilized and reasonable.
ProfessorGAC
(75,006 posts)...lying, conniving, fraudsters with no regard for the law, staying with standard protocols is shortsighted. 
They were counting on things slow rolling so they could regain power before the law could catch up with them.
It may be that "too polite" isn't accurate.  But, naive seems to apply.
PatSeg
(51,338 posts)I suppose it has been hard for so many of us to believe that any group of people could be this rotten to the core and to actually get away with it. I'm not sure it is necessarily naive, especially being so many of us have warned about the possibility of such people taking over for a long time.
As much as I knew it could happen, I didn't think Trump and his cronies to do it so quickly and brutally.
ancianita
(42,424 posts)There was no "EARLY."   But there were 
republican confirmation delays,
courts allowing frivolous motions,
courts hearing schedules,
courts appeals delays,
and the worst, SCOTUS delays
In review. For the TENTH time.
GARLAND was confirmed 2 MONTHS after Biden -- Republican holdup
Garland's #2 was confirmed by Congress 3 MONTHS after Biden -- Republican holdup;
then Lisa Monaco immediately operationalized the DOJ's eight major divisions.
Mar 10 2021: Merrick Garland confirmed as AG by Congress
Mar 11 2021: AG Garland assumes office
Apr 21 2021: Deputy AG Lisa O. Monaco assumes office
Delay detractors" are off by over a year because the FBI IS the DOJ, and Garland's FBI began arrests on Jan 6 2021 and continued DOJ convictions until December 2024.
During the first months of FBI arrest actions, Garland was prosecuting new and outstanding cases, all while rebuilding the personnel of his assistant AGs, deputies, and 8 Division heads. And meanwhile...
Republicans DELAY: STILL made Garland wait months for his division heads' confirmations;
SIX MONTHS after Biden inaugurated, July 2021: Republicans did not confirm Kenneth Polite to head the DOJ Criminal Division
10 months after he assumed office, January 6 2022 Garland stated:
So far, we have
-- issued over 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants,
-- seized approximately 2,000 devices,
-- pored through over 20,000 hours of video footage, and
-- searched through an estimated 15 terabytes of data...
-- received over 300,000 tips from ordinary citizens, who have been our indispensable partners in this effort.
Jan 2022  Garland obtained
 15 boxes found in the storage area
 the FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Maralago  of those
 184 unique documents bearing classification markings, of those:
 67 docs marked Confidential
 92 docs marked Secret
 25 docs marked Top Secret
markings reflected that docs were subject to sensitive compartments and dissemination controls
used to restrict access to material in the interest of national security, including
HCS(Humint Control system),
FISA(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act),
ORCON (originator controlled),
NORORN (could be NOFORN, no foreign national), AND
SI(Special Intelligence)
May 10 2022
 The first 100 documents marked as classified totaled over 700 pages [National Archives letter to Trump attorney, May 10, 2022]
May 11 2022:
 Garland convenes four DOJ Grand juries, one for Jan 6 convened until March 2024
 Grand Jury subpoenas Trump for documents
June 3 2022
 Trump lawyer hands over 40 boxes from Maralago storage room
 38 docs marked Classified
June 3 2022: Garland's DOJ Grand jury subpoenas Trump for remaining classified govt documents in Maralago,
lawyers for Trump "certifying" that there were no more;
Trump stole 11,000 government docs, 300 classified docs  lawyers earlier handed over even more
July 22 2022: Garland's Grand jury testimony by Marc Short, Mike Pences Chief of Staff, & Short's counsel Greg Jacob
August 8 2022
 FBI warrant search of Maralago
 103 marked Classified
 18 marked Top Secret
The law violated: - 18 U.S.C. 793 Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information.
Penalty: Fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
More on the indictability of stolen documents:
https://www.justsecurity.org/83034/tracker-evidence-of-trumps-knowledge-and-involvement-in-retaining-mar-a-lago-documents/
Sept 2 2022:
Garland's Grand jury subpoenaed testimony by Pat Cipollone,
a) one of the participants in WH meeting Dec 18 2020, that included Giuliani, Powell, Flynn, Patrick Byrne of Overstock,
b) Cipollone sat in on Jan 3 2021 DOJ official meeting with Trump, and
c) Cipollone was in direct contact with trump on Jan 6 during capitol insurrection, and did nothing when Meadows told him Trump didnt want to interfere with rioters calling for hanging Mike Pence)
and Patrick Philbin
Sept 15 2022: Garland's Grand Jury subpoenas Mark Meadows for testimony and documents
the month of Sept 2022: Garland's DOJ issued over 40 subpoenas to people close to Trump, some of whom are
 Bill Stepien, DTs campaign mgr; part of team to prevent certification
 Sean Dollman, DTs campaign CFO
 Ben Williamson, Deputy of Mark Meadows,
 Boris Epshteyn, Trump's lawyer -- phone demanded; part of team to prevent certification
 Mike Lindell -- phone seized
 William Russell, WH special asst to Trump, THEN special aide to Trump in Mar-a-lago
Oct 6 2022: Garland's Grand jury calls back Greg Jacob
Oct 13 2022: Garland's Grand Jury calls back Marc Short, Pence's chief of staff
Nov 4 2022: classified docs found in Bidens
-- Wilmington home (garage, library), (no docs in Rehoboth beach home) and
-- Penn Biden Center in DC (Richard Sauber is spec counsel to Pres Biden)
Nov 14 2022: Garland asks John Lausch (Trump appointed US Atty, Chicago) to review found Biden documents
Nov 18 2022 Garland appoints Jack Smith (3 days after Trump announces his candidacy for 2024), who inherits all the Garland evidence, investigative and charging documents
By that very day, Nov 18 2022, Garland's DOJ had convicted more than 323 Jan 6 insurrectionists.
All of the above is what AG Merrick Garland did before Jack Smith.
Garland actions were the CORE contribution to the two Special Counsel investigations.
Garland handed off GARLAND's Classified Documents case and Election Interference case to Jack Smith on the day Smith was sworn in.
These will forever remain the facts of Garland's Jan 6 work during his first 20 months in office -- SIXTEEN Jan 6 convictions per week -- INCLUDING...
Garland secured historic convictions for seditious conspiracy (18 U.S. Code § 2384) against leaders of Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys
Stewart Rhodes: sentenced in May 2023 to 18 years in prisonone of the longest sentences handed down in connection with the Capitol attack.
Kelly Meggs: The leader of the Oath Keepers' Florida -- 12 years in prison.
Joseph Hackett and Roberto Minuta: Florida chapters -- 42 months, 5 years
Enrique Tarrio: The former chairman of the Proud Boys -- 21 years in prison.
Ethan Nordean: 18 years in prison.
Joseph Biggs: A prominent organizer and a former Infowars correspondent --17 years in prison.
Zachary Rehl: The president of the Philadelphia chapter -- 15 years in prison.
What REALLY stands out is the memory-free, fact-free and willful ignorance of DU's Garland attackers, especially of Garland's wisdom in choosing Jack Smith at the Hague as Special Counsel.
My own past defense of Merrick Garland was to remind attackers here that they need more and wider perspective, and less self indulgent, constant complaining and name calling when they didn't get the faster convictions they want because of the federal courts system we have.
History will remember the factual scope and magnitude of justice the Garland DOJ gave this country, and Garland himself as the most productive AG of the last three Democratic administrations.
SCantiGOP
(14,622 posts)Is probably the most absurd comment I have seen on DU in months.
FHRRK
(1,239 posts)I will go with people defending him every time.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,840 posts)That's damn absurd to me.  
  
vanlassie
(6,170 posts)LymphocyteLover
(8,947 posts)Certainly I've seen no reason to think Garland is unethical or corrupt. 
His biggest weakness was being overly cautious. But ultimately I just can't blame him for trump as much I blame SCOTUS, the GOP, FoxNews and freaking voters.
Bluepinky
(2,496 posts)if he felt he wasnt up to the task of investigating a former president.  
I was furious at him during those years, and this just proves our anger was justified.  
PufPuf23
(9,638 posts)IMO Garland was a poor choice for either USSC or AG.
Garland is competent at being part of the political elite that control the mass population.
Garland kicked the can down the road to maintain the system.
The system is much different than the ideals we are taught about the Constitution and morality in a general sense.
Agree that Garland is a rat bastard by "virtue" of the system and the apologists for the system.
Garland is part of the crime only as far as the system itself is a crime, the crime that puts most under the dominance of the few allowed by the privileges of the apologists. May be the apologists are the true enemy to address.
Mr.WeRP
(998 posts)Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)Irish_Dem
(77,018 posts)He damn well knew what was happening.
Another traitor. 
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)yaesu
(8,677 posts)Emile
(38,680 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(3,840 posts)for trained scientists?  
 
mr715
(2,174 posts)but in my experience yes.
sheshe2
(94,629 posts)For one labeled as inept, he sure was powerful.
Irish_Dem
(77,018 posts)Some of us are not stupid.
MichMan
(16,169 posts)Even if he decided he should have never picked him, he could have fired him at any time.
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)Stacey Grove
(73 posts)who still has the worldview of politics from back when there was the possibility of bipartisanship and not scorched-earth engagement on the part of repukes.
Scubamatt
(224 posts)Biden was not perfect by any means and not a saint, but I do believe he was a decent guy who came up the systems in better times when the rules - though imperfect - were generally followed. I think he saw his election as the victory over Trumpism and the return to normalcy and didn't appreciation the need for quick and forceful reaction to the continued threat.
Stacey Grove
(73 posts)where the Child Rapist sucked all the oxygen out of the room during the entire Biden administration - almost to the point of running a shadow presidency parallel to the Biden administration.
CrispyQ
(40,382 posts)have not taken the rightward shift of the Republican Party seriouslyfor decades! I would have thought 12.12.2000 would have woken them up, but no. And they were cavalier, no, reckless, thinking Trump/maga were done just cuz Biden won in 2020.
He certainly took great pains to slow walk the investigation and seemed overly cautious in making what should have been a clearer case against some of the actions of the Trump administration.
CrispyQ
(40,382 posts)Fuck Merrick Garland.
 
  
There was absolutely no excuse for letting Trump walk from any of the above. IIRC, at the very same time these document pics were being published someone else was was handed quite a harsh sentence for having a few classified docs. Our side worries way too much about appearances & here we are.
themaguffin
(4,803 posts)rampartd
(2,788 posts)short of regime change.
themaguffin
(4,803 posts)Scrivener7
(57,602 posts) 
 Skittles
(168,329 posts)where have they all gone  
 
Scrivener7
(57,602 posts)Honestly, in retrospect, I don't mind the disagreement that existed. It was the nastiness of the swarming denigration toward those of us who were pointing out reality.
NewHendoLib
(61,390 posts)RVN VET71
(3,089 posts)Even Rachel, whom I love and dearly respect and admire, was unable to bring herself to describe Musk's salute to a fascist audience as a "Roman" salute and not a "Nazi" salute which is certainly what Musk intended. 
The media has been -- still is -- too cautious in calling out the fascist pigs as fascist pigs.  I know it is necessary to tone it down or lose credibility with the public.  But the media has toned it down so low it is not at all audible.  We all know, I hope, that what Trump and his band of traitors is doing is nothing less than a fascist destruction of the democratic process. 
 But "they" didn't know." They" still refuse to know.
"They" being the 77,000,000 bloody assholes who voted for the fascists in 2024.  The 77,000,000 who went to the polls and said that, by golly, what this country needs is a little time out from democracy -- because democracy means voting for a woman, and not just any woman, a Black woman.  And not just any Black woman, but a Black woman married to a Jew.  While Trump, they convinced their mindless heads, Trump will restore democracy by taking it away from "some" people.  And he's going to make us all rich folks who are white and speak engelish (sic) like Americans.
Clouds Passing
(6,337 posts)RVN VET71
(3,089 posts)But an old fascist? The coverage he gets for his dementia-light gaffes is whispered, if it receives any mention at all.
The media moves on, enabling the Fascist in Chief--  and his scabrous elflings- -- to make up stories about an imaginary terrorist group named "Antifa" and never, ever, ever mentioning the Proud Nazi Boys, or the "Oath Keepers" (talk about in-your-face irony) and other Nazi light and Nazi heavy groups that Trump pardoned so they could be free to attack and maim police officers and attempt to find and murder Liberal Democrats again. .
(Of course, the Dems are still "fighting" as if it were the old days, when Parties could disagree and Members of each could have pleasant lunches and even drinking sessions with the other. The Dems need to wake up to the fact that they no longer have "colleagues" on the Fascist-Republican side of the aisle.  They have enemies who are working very hard to undermine everything the old Democratic Party says it stands for.)
BannonsLiver
(19,868 posts)Small but dedicated, the reality based Garland Society aims to celebrate and preserve the legacy of Americas greatest, bestest, most groovy and unfairly maligned DOJ official. Argle bargle!   
 
Irish_Dem
(77,018 posts)Something was up from the getgo.
yellow dahlia
(3,731 posts)Such much in D.C. seems to be under the thumb of kompromat.
Solly Mack
(95,941 posts) 
 republianmushroom
(21,821 posts)spooky3
(38,049 posts)On the Jan. 6 committee. He asked why the DOJ hadnt done what the committee was doing and called them out to get on the stick, which they apparently ignored.
Skittles
(168,329 posts)we already figured that out
Chasstev365
(6,583 posts)CaptainTruth
(7,966 posts)FUCK MITCH MCCONNELL!!!
Things could have been very different. I can't help but feel like we should have found some way to get Garland seated on the bench after McConnell abdicated his duty to "advise & consent."
True Dough
(24,919 posts)He built Frankenstein and then came to realize he couldn't control the monster. 
(Hope the same thing isn't currently happening with AI.)
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)This is the 'sin' Garland committed? And now they're including Joe Biden? WTF, people?
Martin Eden
(15,072 posts)For political reasons.  
  
Hell, justice was delayed and ultimately denied because Garland wanted to avoid political motivations at all costs.
Ironically, it was this political consideration that resulted in Trumps 2nd term rather than a full time gig in prison.
NewHendoLib
(61,390 posts)LymphocyteLover
(8,947 posts)completely reasonable.
And for the hundredth time, Garland initiated the prosecutions and the ultimate problem was fucking SCOTUS.
Ponietz
(4,119 posts)Tang the Conqueror was a clear and present danger from the day Biden took the oath. DOJ did fine with the peons, but played tiddly winks with him.
Crunchy Frog
(28,143 posts)Ultimately though, I think the buck stops with the person who appointed him to the position.
Blue Full Moon
(2,969 posts)Emile
(38,680 posts)markodochartaigh
(4,522 posts)I often heard that "a Texas Democrat is like a New York Republican". 
ancianita
(42,424 posts)Though judges in the U.S. generally do not have formal political affiliations and are expected to be nonpartisan in their judicial duties, Garland was known to be part of "rarefied Democratic legal circles" and is considered a moderate liberal judge. 
ancianita
(42,424 posts)democrank
(11,894 posts)but Garland earned a double helping of it.
Intractable
(1,353 posts)Well, neither did I.
Just one more time ... one last time ... I'd like to see Garland get in front of the national news cameras and tell us that "no one is above the law."
It was always so inspiring.    
 
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,840 posts)Look at the poison being thrown at him at Democratic Underground, FFS!
He and his family have probably received hundreds if not thousands of death threats from MAGAts. Why should he paint a target on himself when "our side" hates and despises him? Not to mention anyone who dares make reasonable statements in his favor.  
Intractable
(1,353 posts)I agree that he is a tiny little man who had a potentially important place in history, who ultimately was just a player for the desires of the Federalist Society.
3Hotdogs
(14,750 posts)gab13by13
(30,297 posts)Jack Smith rushed to write up reports for his 2 prosecutions so that Garland had them.
Last I checked, the J6 prosecution report has been released, albeit, heavily redacted, while the documents prosecution report has never been released. I didn't want Garland to pull a Bill Barr and lie about a special counsel's report, I just wanted him to release them.
The document's report is probably buried in the rubble of the East Wing.
3Hotdogs
(14,750 posts)Georgie, Donny Rumsfeld or Cheney.
AND I got a "hide" for pointing this out a few years ago.
Didn't matter if it was true or not. 
Scrivener7
(57,602 posts)gab13by13
(30,297 posts)Merrick Garland waited 11 months to search Mar-a-Lago.
Merrick Garland waited 4 days to search President Biden's properties.
I also can remember history about Garland; when Krasnov fired James Comey, Mike Lee, the radical Senator from Utah, went to Krasnov and asked him to pick Merrick Garland to replace Comey as FBI Director. Imagine that. Think about that? What did Lee know about Garland?
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)gab13by13
(30,297 posts)It raises the question, who was right about Garland, Lee or Obama?
I'm not so sure that Garland would have made a good justice, he certainly was a bad AG. Was the main reason that Obama picked Garland that he would be acceptable to some Senate Magats?
I don't believe he was bought off as AG, but I do believe that he caved to the pressure.
comradebillyboy
(10,910 posts)Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)BannonsLiver
(19,868 posts)Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,910 posts)I think he made a number of serious errors as president.
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)Merrick Garland waited 4 days to search President Biden's properties.
in isolation, this makes sense to me. The documents case didn't become a big deal until all of Trump's unexpected irrational stonewalling. By the time we get to Biden, any errant document holders for any reason was a big deal.
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)RoeVWade
(693 posts)last document. Someone else should be doing that daily or at least weekly. But Trump took what could be taken for granted, and doubled , tripled down on STUPID. He should have been ousted just for that alone, if any MAGA decided to have any sense.
BlueKota
(4,747 posts)the job was because people on our side were still mad because the Republicons kept him off the Supreme Court. The only thing Garland should have considered is whether tsf had broken the law, not how his arrest and the prosecution would be perceived by the other side. We all publicly witnessed the laws tsf violated. He should have been prosecuted.
It wouldn't have been a malicious prosecution  to begin with. Tsf was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Now instead we have the cons prosecuting people regardless of whether or not they actually guilty or not. 
Decisions need to be made logically, and based on facts not hurt feelings, and anxiety about what other people are going to think of it.
Orrex
(66,298 posts)For years, Ive been scolded and ridiculed by the cheerleaders for suggesting that Garland was anything less than the perfect guy for the job, doing everything possible to hold Trump accountable.
republianmushroom
(21,821 posts)choie
(6,260 posts)N/t
bigtree
(93,116 posts)...only Garland attackers who never come complete or correct with facts to support their attacks on Garland.
Just this 'Garland late' or 'Garland delayed' without a shred of proof those delays affected anything, not even bothering to explain, just the gaslighting, and the derision of anyone who takes the time to post facts of the case.
With the constant Garland bashers on the left, coupled with the constant Garland bashers on the right, it's no wonder the public impression of the people who were actual prosecuting Trump is so skewed against them, And it should be obvious in this internet propaganda age just how insidiously many work to divide our opposition.
But the zeal to blame the people actually doing the work of holding Trump accountable outstripped any effort to do more than play this 'Garland delayed shit' against each and every progress in the investigation, including the historic dual, multi-felony indictments..
No credit for that because of some clickbait report Carol Leonnig wrote, and now a book she wrote....
All of this supposing a WaPO clickbait reporter who's making money off of a clickbait book is more credible than the actual prosecutors of Trump.
It's just fucking stupid. No mature adult should be cowed by anyone claiming they're 'apologizing' for Garland by defending actual facts in the case, or explaining something beyond the misleading and ignorant claims that an internecine debate between FBI and DOJ, or an alleged 10 week delay in subpoenas materially affected ANYTHING in the prosecution.
Someone needs to apologize for elevating a clickbait WaPo reporter over the word and actions of the Biden DOJ. 
Who the fuck is she, and what actual access was she supposed to have had to make these claims? 
At the very least, the people who were prosecuting Trump, doing ALL the work, deserve to be heard from before making these specious judgments this reporter is inviting people to make, pretending like her position outside the investigation gives hes some insight yet unrevealed by this sophomoric recitation of things only visible from her desk at the newsroom.
BannonsLiver
(19,868 posts)
Orrex
(66,298 posts)iemanja
(57,030 posts)dont exist. You treat Garland like hes your hero.
choie
(6,260 posts)bigtree
(93,116 posts)...ipsa.
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Scrivener7
(57,602 posts)Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)Scrivener7
(57,602 posts)Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts) 
 MorbidButterflyTat
(3,840 posts)and rude bullies. 
 
ancianita
(42,424 posts)Non loqueris contra proximum tuum falsum testimonium.
AverageOldGuy
(3,111 posts)Doug Jones.
From the Wikipedia article.
Jones prosecuted Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr. and Bobby Frank Cherry, two members of the Ku Klux Klan, for their roles in the 1963 16th Street Baptist Church bombing. The case was reopened the year before Jones was appointed, but did not gain traction until his appointment. A federal grand jury was called in 1998, which caught the attention of Cherry's ex-wife, Willadean Cherry, and led her to call the FBI to give her testimony. Willadean then introduced Jones to family and friends, who reported their own experiences from the time of the bombing. A key piece of evidence was a tape from the time of the bombing in which Blanton said he had plotted with others to make the bomb. Jones was deputized to argue in state court and indicted Blanton and Cherry in 2000.[24][25] Blanton was found guilty in 2001 and Cherry in 2002. Both were sentenced to life in prison. Cherry died in prison in 2004.[26] Blanton was up for parole in 2016; Jones spoke against his release, and parole was denied.[27] Blanton died in prison in 2020.[28]
The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing was in 1963. In 1977 Alabama Attorney General Bill Baxley prosecuted one of the bombers. The case then lay dormant until Jones re-opened it in 1998 and nailed two more of the KKK bastards.
Autumn
(48,521 posts)azureblue
(2,594 posts)His stated reasons for slow walking don't add up at all. He claims "Caution" but he showed much less caution in previous cases. He had plenty to go forward, but did not.
Ol Janx Spirit
(462 posts)...after being flamed by many fellow DUers for saying just this.
On paper Garland seemed like a good choice for AG having been a prosecutor, and many of us had high hopes that he would be motivated to run roughshod over Republicans that had denied him a coveted position on the Supreme Court--but it became clear early on that both he and Biden saw no political or legal urgency to prosecute people at the top of the pyramid of J6.
Unfortunately, this will be the biggest part of both of their legacies.   
Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)Patton French
(1,803 posts)NT
enough
(13,652 posts)BannonsLiver
(19,868 posts)Stacey Grove
(73 posts)(on both sides) are doing peachy keen - THEY are not US.
bluestarone
(20,625 posts)It's amazing how America was brought to it's knees with one word. Remember? IMMUNITY!! destroyed us.
Borogove
(250 posts)Stacey Grove
(73 posts)I would not have had a problem with Biden for violating the law/declaring emergency powers/ruling by edict or E.O. in the same way the Child Rapist routinely does on a daily basis if it would have protected us from these monsters.
Goose/Gander - COOKED.
Alas . . .
kacekwl
(8,732 posts)supposedly saviors who were going to take trump down, Garland, Mueller etc. with zero results. We're on our own folks sadly.
bigtree
(93,116 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:12 PM - Edit history (1)
SMITH BROUGHT CHARGES 15 MONTHS BEFORE WE VOTED.
Anyone claiming more time would have resulted in a Trump prosecution, are ignoring the Supreme Court which delayed the trial until right before we voted giving Trump immunities from prosecution not in the Constitution, and assuming that interference was the only delay they could engineer.
The Supreme Court interference prevented Trump from going to trial right before the election, not the prosecutors.
I mean, what is this shit blaming people who were working to prosecute Trump? Acting all superior to the several dozen career prosecutors who fought to get Trump to trial through all of the historically withering challenges to every piece of evidence, subpoena, and testimony; Basically advantaging this screed against the Garland team with the delays the Trump team engineered with compliant courts setting dates of hearing as far into the future as they were able.
And this shit about bringing some lesser charges earlier is the most ignorant bullshit that comes with this fuckery, supposing that a lesser set of charges would survive the court gauntlet better than a well-established prosecution.
Tell us, great internet Garland critics working on your fantasy prosecution, How you get a prosecution without the testimony of his top attorneys and deputies who all filed privilege claims which went through several successive courts packed with republican and Trump appointees, successfully stripping them of their claimed privileges and forcing their testimony.
Hell these fucking Garland critics don't even tell us what they would charge him with, much less explain what evidence and what the state of it was in appeals. But people read their rookie shit and go, oh yeah Garland definitely fucked up. 
Here's something, TAKE A GODDAMN MINUTE AND EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE WHAT THE STATE OF EVIDENCE WAS AT THE TIME YOU CLAIM GARLAND SHOULD HAVE HAD TRUMP IN COURT.
DO THAT, OR JUST ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROSECUTION.
SPECIFIC EVIDENCE, AND WHERE IT STOOD AT THE TIME ON APPEAL, BECAUSE IT DAMN SURE WAS ON APPEAL.
Besides all of that, charges Merrick Garland delayed or dragged his feet on  the investigation are proven false in the Smith report They persisted because most of the substantive details of the investigation initiated by AG Garland's prosecutors in 2021 were kept secret by DOJ, except for court filings and what the perps revealed.
But now we have a report in which Jack Smith defends the AG against those charges, outlining how delays which the myriad appeals and challenges made by the perps subpoenaed for evidence and testimony often stretched out for months and years, not always overlapping, and stretching out for years, well into the Smith appointment with Garland prosecutors defending those key pieces of evidence and testimony in courts well into his term.
Smiths report emphasized that the Justice Department was aggressively investigating leads related to Trump long before the special counsels tenure began. Litigation tactics by Trump and his allies, Smith argued, were the key factors that slowed the process to a crawl.
The most protracted battles of all stemmed from Trumps broad invocation of executive privilege to try to prevent witnesses from providing evidence, Smith wrote. It took months of secretive legal proceedings to secure testimony from Trump White House aides such as Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino and Pat Cipollone. Former Vice President Mike Pence also resisted testifying until a court ordered him to reveal some  but not all  details about his interactions with Trump. Smith noted that judges broadly rejected Trumps privilege claims, with one holding that he was engaged in an obvious effort to delay the investigation.
Smith also drew attention to what may have been his biggest foil: the Supreme Court. He pointed out that the justices rebuffed his effort to put Trumps presidential immunity claims on a similar timetable to the one the court adopted five decades earlier in litigation over Watergate and President Richard Nixons tapes.
And Smith argued that the Supreme Courts resolution of Trumps immunity assertion essentially guaranteed another round of litigation that would have been all but certain to return to the justices if Trump had not won the election and the prosecution had continued.
read: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/jack-smith-special-counsel-report-takeaways-00198252
Politico touched on this:

You have to wonder what journos and pundits like Carol Leonning are thinking today, trying to decide whether to double down on their false reporting that there was some delay or indecision from the AG about proceeding to prosecute Trump and his henchmen, or equivocate.
Many people inside DOJ strongly believe this . As one told us - without the Jan 6 committee Im convinced there wouldnt have been a DOJ investigation into Trumps role.
Like most of Garland's critics, she should actually read people like Marcy Wheeler who has spent the years since that intrepid WaPo reporter wrote the article that was repeated and embellished by countless people to subvert and demagogue the efforts of the AG, including notables like Weissmann who spouted off those exact lies about the Garland's efforts as if he had some inside knowledge of a secret investigatory process; he just read from her article and embellished her misinformation with derision and hyper-concern.
here's Marcy:
(Critics) complained today that DOJ pursued the money trail and suspected communications with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers immediately, both of which theories had solid evidence (likely arising from the mishandled Brandon Straka prosecution and the Owen Shroyer arrest) behind them. The money trail ended up being a dry hole; the comms angle ended up being inconclusive. But thats the kind of thing Goodman and his ilk were demanding in real time  multiple prongs to pursue the case. Follow the money!
Instead, prosecutors most productive 2021 efforts appears to be getting an SDNY judge to allow DOJ to use the existing Special Master review for phones seized from Rudy Giuliani in April 2021 to prioritize obtaining the January 6 content. DOJ started with Co-Conspirator #1, and did so in a way that Trump had limited ability to obstruct. And from there, they seized one after another phone: John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark in June 2022, Scott Perry in August 2022, Boris Epshteyn and Mike Roman in September 2022, all of which would have had delays (not reflected in Jack Smiths report because none of those have been unsealed) because of attorney-client, Speech and Debate, or technical exploitation issues, yet all of which would have been necessary given their reliance on encrypted apps. (This post argues that Smith likely didnt get the content of Roman and Epshteyns phones until after he first indicted Trump.) You were never going to avoid getting the co-conspirator phones, because this coup was planned on encrypted apps and all of them fought disclosure. It appears that DOJ opportunistically seized the first of those on the first day there was a confirmed DAG to approve doing so. It is also clear that that wasnt enough.
But if youre going to make these complaints about what you read in Jack Smiths report, you should note what else Smith said. The January 6 Committee work comprised a small part of the Offices investigative record, but before Smith could use anything from J6C, prosecutors first had to develop or verify those facts through independent interviews and other investigative steps.
The Offices investigation included consideration of the report issued on December 22, 2022, by the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, as well as certain materials received from the Committee. Those materials comprised a small part of the Offices investigative record, and any facts on which the Office relied to make a prosecution decision were developed or verified through independent interviews and other investigative steps. During the prosecution of the Election Case, Mr. Trump alleged that the Select Committee and Special Counsels Office were one and the same and sought additional discovery about the Select Committees work. The district court rejected the claim. See ECF No. 263 at 47 (concluding that Mr. Trump has not supplied an adequate basis to consider the January 6 Select Committee part of the prosecution team). Regardless, the Office provided or otherwise made available to Mr. Trump in discovery all materials received from the Select Committee. See ECF No. 263 at 47 (the Government states that it has already produced all the records it received from the Committee).
We know from the immunity appendix that Jack Smith had productive follow-up interviews with Bill Barr, Ronna McDaniel, and Jason Miller, among others, to say nothing about more extensive cooperation with Eric Herschmann and Mike Pences privilege-waived interview(s).
But validating what J6C did could not start until J6C released transcripts in December 2022, after a 3-7 month delay.
more:https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/01/15/what-jack-smith-didnt-say-about-the-january-6-investigation/
thread:
Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney
NEW: Jack Smith defended Garlands pace, laying out DOJs frenetic, secretive efforts to win privilege fights with recalcitrant witnesses  Scott Perry, Mike Pence, John Eastman  that took months.
More takeaways from the Smith report. w/ @joshgerstein
https://politico.com/news/2025/01/14/jack-smith-special-counsel-report-takeaways-00198252
related:
Merrick Garland is Getting a Bum Rap
The claim that he is responsible for Trumps evasion of accountability is clearly wrong.
https://harrylitman.substack.com/p/merrick-garland-is-getting-a-bum
'The Situation: In Defense of Merrick Garland'
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-situation--in-defense-of-merrick-garland
...one more thing.
Don't just fucking ignore that there isn't ONE actual prosecutor who worked under Garland who has come out with anything close backing up ANY of the critics.
That should make sense to people who bothered to read the Smith report, or to people who should know better who are assuming the Supreme Court ever intended to let the trial occur before we voted again.
Also ask yourself why none of what I posted is ever discussed by critics who rely on the time passed to make their stupid claims without bithering to identify what was going on at DOJ at the time, what DOJ was pursuing, what the appeals and challenges involved; how many; the successful results; and what the evidence gathered and defended had to do with the actual indictments.
That clickbait sophistry from Dilanian is certainly an invitation to attack Merrick Garland along with the Trump administration. That's right. Attacking Garland with bullshit is no better than maga attacking him, assuming that Garland's delays were consequential to anything more than this invented narrative by people who had zero to do with the investigation, and don't even bother to report the details, much less the details of what they're alleging.
The contradictions in this book are stunning, but not unexpected, because you only have to traverse a short distance in this report to find fucking Carol Leoning at the heart of it. She doesn't actually know the details of what was occurring inside DOJ, got it completely wrong, contradicted her own reporting, and now is making money pushing this same false narrative - and you can bet there will be pushback whenever Smith and Garland feel like it.
The book in this report admits "it took more than a year after Trump was defeated for the Justice Department to convene a grand jury to hear evidence in the alleged criminal scheme by Trump to use fake electors to overturn the results of the 2020 election."
It then goes on to claim that "even after that grand jury was launched in January 2022, the FBI debated another 10 weeks before approving a memo formally opening that investigation, further delaying the gathering of evidence. After much hand wringing by FBI Director Chris Wrays leadership team, the memo named the Trump campaign, but not Trump, as a subject of the investigation, the book says."
This gives a completely false impression that the investigation was halted by internal debates between Chris Wray's FBI and DOJ about how to proceed, falsely giving the impression that the investigation had stalled. There couldn't be better proof than that ignorant assumption that people outside the investigation didn't know, don't know shit about what they're gaslighting and clickbaiting people about.
Here's the specious claim in this report:
Even assuming this is true, this report doesn't say what evidence or subpoena, or interview was delayed, or how consequential anything supposedly delayed was to the investigation or prosecution. How the fuck do you make a determination that this supposed delay affected ANYTHING without that detail? It's just fucking bullshit.
Look at the evidence in the indictment and tell us all how any of that was delayed by any of what these authors are gaslighting about. Do that or just admit you don't know shit about what was delayed or what it meant to the prosecution. Don't just fucking bullshit people to kick Garland around. Come correct with actual facts about what the state of prosecutable evidence was at the time.
...here are actual facts in evidence about what was occurring in the investigation since the Fall of 2021:

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/politics/trump-investigation-thomas-windom.html
from December 2022:

source: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/
...so the financial investigation began in earnest in late 2021. Garland took his oath in March of that year.
He not only handled the Capitol riot prosecutions which resulted in over 1200 convictions, but ran the Trump probe at the same time (is he to blame for the pardons, as well?)
He was already getting cooperation from the riot leaders before he formally turned to the WH, and none of that happened on the spur of the moment.
We need to be real about the challenges for the incoming AG, and stop assuming he cared any less about these crimes than any of us. Almost ALL of the evidence Smith used in the indictments came from his boss's team, and his DOJ defended all of it in myriad, successive courts to make it available to use in grand juries and in courts.
Smith reportedly came onboard a 'fast moving investigation' and inherited over 20 Garland prosecutors who had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had when he took charge of his own investigation.

...you want to know what was happening in the investigation and prosecution? Ignore people who bash Garland along with the Trump regime. Find someone who bothers to provide you with at least as much information about the actual case as I have.
Point blank. You get what's advertised from these anti-Garland screeds. I mean, who is invested in providing more copy bashing the prosecutors, rather than providing actual information about the actual prosecution?
BannonsLiver
(19,868 posts)Orrex
(66,298 posts)Swamp the discussion with a ton of cherry-picked articles, ignore any articles that contradict the chosen message, and claim to have proven the point when the opponent fails to address every word in every article that the cheerleaders dumped on them.
BannonsLiver
(19,868 posts)Scrivener7
(57,602 posts)Stacey Grove
(73 posts)Joinfortmill
(19,346 posts)I hope folks take the time to read it.
Queso Delicioso
(134 posts)The guy was always a Republican and it was a mistake to ever trust him.
bigtree
(93,116 posts)Before he appointed Jack Smith, Merrick Garland:
Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state
...so much for the 'Garland is a republican' lie.
Almost ALL of the evidence ultimately used in the indictment was obtained by Garland prosecutors, the bulk of whom moved to work under Smith, and successfully defended by them in myriad, sucessive court hearings packed with republican and Trump judges.
Calling Garland a republican is an argument that can only be accepted by people completely ignorant of the facts.
Queso Delicioso
(134 posts)Which is "did absolutely fuck all with it, sat on it, used it for jack shit, and waited out the term." He was only picked for SCOTUS because he was supposedly acceptable to them. He was a compromise pick for people who should never be compromised with. And boy howdy did he ever show us why.
lees1975
(6,804 posts)Garland was a dud.  And the effort to "not look political" was a gigantic mistake.  It is a very black mark against a President who was otherwise an excellent leader.  
yellow dahlia
(3,731 posts)Grumpy Old Guy
(4,112 posts)The DOJ is a joke thanks to him.
bucolic_frolic
(53,004 posts)None of them called it what it was. As if they were paralyzed. Pres. Biden thought normalcy would rebound. I don't think they wanted to admit they knew what was going on. It was too partisan, too laden with conspiracies. So now Trump will use the tools we didn't use against us.
yellow dahlia
(3,731 posts)Hotler
(13,561 posts)Allowed themselves to be bullied. And not a teaspoon of gumption among them.    
 
bigtree
(93,116 posts)As WaPo journalist Carol Leoning reminded (when she wasn't selling her book implying Garland was too late to do anything), the documents case was mostly ready to go when Jack Smith came on the scene. She said Smith 'put a bow' on the case which she said been ready to go before he even came onboard. What Smith did with his time was broaden the investigation to other perps than just Trump.
Deadline White House @DeadlineWH
"I think it's important that we pause and remember what it means that an attorney had to turn over the actual words of his own client, and how much criminal liability lies here for Donald Trump" - @CarolLeonnig w/ @NicolleDWallace
Link to tweet
Apparently, this is how a "gumption-less" Merrick Garland rolls. Take note.
Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:
Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state
Redleg
(6,708 posts)Was I disappointed at the seemingly glacial pace of the investigations into Trump's wrongdoing? Yes, absolutely. I think they should have gone faster. What we are seeing here though is a case of hindsight bias and "I told you so" about this shit. Most of us probably had access to the same facts and information but simply arrived at different judgments about Garland's culpability. None of us, outside of those who work closely with Garland, really knew anything other than that which was publicly available. Why gloat over a lucky hunch? Even worse, why encourage the spreading of rumors that Garland must have been in the pay of Trump Inc.?
questionseverything
(11,393 posts)He should of been arrested for stealing them and locked up for suspected treason 
Anyone else would of been locked up immediately
. If that had happened, he would not be president 
Redleg
(6,708 posts)They did give him deference because he was a former president. I don't agree with that but there it is. I think that Garland may have recognized the error of his thinking and thereby made Jack Smith the special counsel, a man known as a thorough but relatively speedy prosecutor. I could be wrong.
yellow dahlia
(3,731 posts)The Roux Comes First
(1,922 posts)And we know Felon #1 has a lifetime of experience in bullying, cheating, and lying his way out of all sorts of imbroglios. He's never been held accountable for anything of consequence in his whole life, to my knowledge, other than wrist-slaps for total F-ups like his "undervirsity."
So Garland has plenty of company.
bigtree
(93,116 posts)...AND ALL OUR OPPOSITION MANAGED TO DO THROUGHOUT WAS TO BASH THE PROSECUTION AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY, ALONG WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP.
They're still doing that inanity, as if it's some sort of political genius.
If the election had been won, Trump's trial, already in court with most of the evidence approved by the judge, including the revised indictment, would have proceeded to a conviction.
Supreme Court's maga majority is never mentioned in these screeds. I think it's because confronting them is hard and it's an easy lift to attack your own side. Always has been throughout political history.
But where's the actual virtue in this for critics who have NEVER bothered to explain ANY of the known details of the Garland/Smith investigation and prosecution. It's clear that doing so would complicate their 'Garland bad' narrative to the point of discrediting it, so I don't expect anything more than this gaslighting from them.
What I really can't wrap my head around is the trust throughout these screeds against Garland based on this incorrect and incomplete innuendo from this ONE reporter, Carol Leonnig, who can't be bothered to detail ANYTHING of consequence to Trump's prosecution that was supposedly delayed.
I'm still waiting for the breathless articles about what the Supreme Court did in ensuring the trial wouldn't be held before we voted. The unconcern about Trump's maga majority enablers isn't just weird, it's insidiously complicit in the focus being taken off of them, deliberately, I think, in many cases, to pile on Merrick Garland as if he was some private dick, instead of the administrator of the DOJ; as if he was gumshoeing instead of administrating.
The people who are really being denigrated here are the career prosecutors who worked harder than ANY CRITIC to hold Trump accountable; and no one has shown any proof they were hindered to the point of materially affecting the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.
That sophistry takes precedence over substance everytime this canard is raised, and no thinking adult should be influenced away from putting the blame on the Supreme Court and the other compliant courts who also delayed their hearings over the unprecedented flurry of appeals and challenges to EVERY Garland or Smith move.
Much easier to just say, 'Garland bad' or 'Garland late,' than to do the work of holding the Supreme Court's maga majority accountable. 
GARLAND'S GONE AND THEY'RE FUCKING STILL THERE COVERING FOR HIM! 
WAKE THE FUCK UP.
in2herbs
(4,017 posts)popsdenver
(844 posts)milk toast his investigation before Garland??????????
in2herbs
(4,017 posts)moondust
(21,112 posts)Merrick & Co. may have assumed that after his first term full of lies, incompetence, and malfeasance TSF could never be elected again by a halfway sane electorate. Such an assumption would have meant that there was no rush as they would have had plenty of time to complete the cases before the statute of limitations would run out. Of course you'd have to ask them about it.
 
 
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,328 posts)Never been truer.
markodochartaigh
(4,522 posts)Garland side, I would just like to say that I'm glad to hear that people here still have passionate views on both sides, now that the question is academic.
For a while during President Biden's term I wondered if many of the people posting were trolls. It is good to find out that they are real people with real opinions even if the opinions differ from my own.
RockRaven
(18,211 posts)Garland didn't appoint himself.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,840 posts) 
 Intractable
(1,353 posts)MineralMan
(150,062 posts)None? He is irrelevant. Why don't we focus on what is happening now? That seems like a good idea.
Celerity
(52,783 posts)
iemanja
(57,030 posts)That is not inconsequential.
Layzeebeaver
(2,116 posts)Thanks boys.
BigmanPigman
(54,227 posts)I hold Comey and Garland directly responsible for allowing this shit show to continue after 2020.
If they go to jail I will smile, not cry.
THEY are the reason the US is becoming a fascist nation under tRump!!!!!
I also ranted about 2 VERY obnoxious DUers who for over 6 months bullied EVERYONE who disagreed with them into horrible examples of what bullies do.  They should be in tRump's cabinet.  They were made for it!
There would be 200 replies every time these two Garland lovers bashed anyone who did not kiss their asses.  Finally they were suspended from DU permanently.  Turns out they were acting in cahoots/tag team (what a surprise).  Good riddance to DINOS!!!
seta1950
(961 posts)President Biden had so many good choices and yet , chose Garland, its like if you were a victim of a crime, when you get the opportunity to, have the criminal punished, you instead let him go , to harm you again,further down the road, who does that. It just feels like all any politician cares-about is reelection 😤
Bread and Circuses
(1,308 posts)Meanwhile TACO  Demolished the East Wing and Jackie Kennedys Rose Garden in 2 DAYS!
Im not suggesting that the DOJ under a Biden should be RECKLESS. They needed 6- 9 months .
Im sick of these people wasting time, money and destroying decomcracy.























































