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Takket

(23,305 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 06:20 AM 19 hrs ago

Sure looks like Garland blew it....

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/trump-legal-probes-biden-justice-department-garland-rcna240342

Acting on a mix of principle and caution, Justice Department officials under former President Joe Biden made a series of decisions that significantly delayed and ultimately may have hampered the federal criminal investigations into President Donald Trump, according to a new book.

The slow decision-making at the top of Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Justice Department affected two major probes into Trump after he lost the White House in 2020: whether he illegally possessed and obstructed the retrieval of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence, and whether he conspired illegally to overturn the 2020 election.

Far from rushing the Trump cases, FBI and Justice Department officials chose to move cautiously and slowly over concerns about the implications of investigating a former and possibly future president, taking  pains to insulate the probes from even the appearance of politics.

Details of the debates inside the Justice Department — and their impact on the Trump investigations, which both sputtered for different reasons — were revealed as part of a new book, “Injustice: How Politics and Fear Vanquished America’s Justice Department” by MSNBC investigative correspondent Carol Leonnig and Washington Post reporter Aaron C. Davis. MSNBC obtained excerpts of the book before it was published.

~snip

Nothing new here. We all followed the blow by blow on this on a daily basis for four freaking years. But seeing the reasoning behind the delays going from DU speculation to black and white in a book is… another kick in the face.
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Sure looks like Garland blew it.... (Original Post) Takket 19 hrs ago OP
Has any one checked Garland's bank account during that time period? Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #1
you seriously think he was getting paid off for that? LymphocyteLover 18 hrs ago #7
I seriously think some questions should be asked. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #9
putting responsibility for the downfall of the country all on Garland is total bullshit LymphocyteLover 17 hrs ago #16
Garland was in charge Chicagogrl1 17 hrs ago #17
I am trained as a scientist. You follow the data. Period. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #20
bribery is possible (ie garland) rampartd 17 hrs ago #21
who bribed him to do this? bigtree 13 hrs ago #84
Thanks for the facts that too many would Hassler 5 hrs ago #142
Thank you. Attackers got no defense. No facts. No sources. Just scapegoating and bitching. ancianita 2 hrs ago #155
Bribery... or blackmail... or threats... Shipwack 12 hrs ago #96
Completeness?? Puh-lease. For imagination's sake. Bad faith imaginings. ancianita 2 hrs ago #160
Garland's problem is one that has hurt our party for too long... Trueblue Texan 16 hrs ago #42
We have been playing by The Marquess of Queensberry Rules 70sEraVet 15 hrs ago #49
The right wing radicals have been playing by the rules of the abuser and the rapist Stacey Grove 15 hrs ago #54
Gaslighting is a technique of the abuser. yellow dahlia 3 hrs ago #150
I'm not sure the problems is PatSeg 12 hrs ago #108
Perhaps, But When You Know You Are Dealing With... ProfessorGAC 7 hrs ago #136
This is true PatSeg 3 hrs ago #146
Not the main one. The judiciary hurt the country. AG Garland was the solution, not part of the problem. ancianita 45 min ago #163
Saying Garland was bribed SCantiGOP 12 hrs ago #97
Saying he was bribed or people defending him? FHRRK 12 hrs ago #99
What about MTG turning over a new leaf? MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #129
"It all depends on who's ox is being gored." vanlassie 2 hrs ago #159
I'm trained as a scientist and follow the data too. But I must be following different data. LymphocyteLover 12 hrs ago #111
At the very least, he could have appointed Jack Smith a lot sooner Bluepinky 11 hrs ago #120
More than two possibilities. PufPuf23 7 hrs ago #137
He is the entire reason Mr.WeRP 11 hrs ago #117
Respectfully disagree Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #32
Garland stepped on his dick the whole time the greatest crime in US history was being planned. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #34
Respectfully disagree. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #36
Respectfully Agree. nt yaesu 15 hrs ago #53
I respectfully agree! Emile 15 hrs ago #56
Is "stepped on his dick" typical language MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #130
Varies between sciences, mr715 5 hrs ago #144
So he alone caused the downfall of this country? sheshe2 3 hrs ago #154
We would be totally remiss if we did not ask questions. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #13
One question; Why did President Biden stand by him for 4 years? MichMan 16 hrs ago #29
Until recently Presidents didn't interfere with ongoing investigations Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #33
Because he is an institutionalist with "faith" in a broken system; Stacey Grove 15 hrs ago #51
I agree Scubamatt 13 hrs ago #81
Biden's presidency was immersed within an actual coup started on Jan 6 Stacey Grove 13 hrs ago #92
Democratic leadership & the dems in general, CrispyQ 12 hrs ago #98
Agree Hey Joe 13 hrs ago #70
I totally disagree that his actions made sense. CrispyQ 13 hrs ago #86
Nah, he clearly wasn't right for the job. 2021 wasn't the time for a timid "if we do something it's political" bs themaguffin 17 hrs ago #14
brazil's response to boisonero is the only way to deal with these guys rampartd 17 hrs ago #23
absolutely themaguffin 12 hrs ago #114
This isn't a Law & Order episode. You're such a defeatist. Patience, grasshopper. Garland's got this. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #2
OMG Skittles 18 hrs ago #4
Oh, some still insist they were right all along, and Garland was actually totally speedy and effective. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #5
Exactly. NewHendoLib 17 hrs ago #12
Media still timidly, and with an abundance of caution, calls Fascists "authoritarians" goddammit. RVN VET71 16 hrs ago #31
The media should be hysterical with the nazi fascist language. Like they were with Biden's terrible debate. Clouds Passing 14 hrs ago #60
It is apparently "very concerning" to the media when an old Liberal shows his age RVN VET71 12 hrs ago #107
They formed the Garland Society. BannonsLiver 14 hrs ago #64
The endless patience lectures was a major red flag. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #15
Might it have been kompromat? yellow dahlia 3 hrs ago #151
You made me snicker. Solly Mack 17 hrs ago #18
Sure and hell heard that a lot, just wait we got him. republianmushroom 13 hrs ago #80
To me, the biggest clue was when Schiff spoke out so forcefully early spooky3 12 hrs ago #102
to be fair Skittles 18 hrs ago #3
And, once again, FUCK YOU MITCH MCCONNELL! Chasstev365 18 hrs ago #6
Yep. Garland should be sitting on SCOTUS! CaptainTruth 16 hrs ago #28
This cannot be said enough! True Dough 16 hrs ago #40
'Acting on a mix of principle and caution' Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #8
And now Trump is demanding indictments, claiming Garland weaponized the Justice Dept Martin Eden 16 hrs ago #46
Of course. We all saw this - we all knew this Weak Sauce Merrick. NewHendoLib 17 hrs ago #10
IMHO, being cautious in prosecuting a former POTUS, no matter how guilty they seem, is LymphocyteLover 17 hrs ago #11
Downvote Ponietz 17 hrs ago #19
It isn't reasonable when the former POTUS engineered an attempted violent coup to overthrow an election. Crunchy Frog 14 hrs ago #67
Garland is a republican. Blue Full Moon 17 hrs ago #22
Or a centrist independent like Cuomo. Emile 15 hrs ago #57
Back in Texas a half century ago markodochartaigh 9 hrs ago #125
Wrong. Merrick Garland, born in Chicago, was a Democrat when he was a private citizen in Chicago. ancianita 3 hrs ago #148
Prove it. ancianita 3 hrs ago #149
There is plenty of fault to go around democrank 17 hrs ago #24
Did you see the press conference where Garland calls out Bondi's DOJ for their illegal relationship w the White house? Intractable 17 hrs ago #25
Why should he? MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #131
I agree that Garland should only do what his heart is into. Intractable 8 hrs ago #133
--and somebody needs a whole book to point this out? 3Hotdogs 17 hrs ago #26
A lot of DUers here were bashed for the crime of criticizing Merrick Garland. gab13by13 16 hrs ago #30
Lest we forget, Eric Holder was also about as useless as my left nut -- no attempt to even investigate 3Hotdogs 11 hrs ago #119
Some still, apparently, do. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #88
I'm not a scientist, but I had math in grade school, gab13by13 17 hrs ago #27
The same thing Obama did, I imagine. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #35
Good point, gab13by13 16 hrs ago #41
Garland was one of Obama's poorer choices. comradebillyboy 14 hrs ago #59
Not certain Obama would agree with your assessment. As far as I can tell Obama has not spoken on the matter. Joinfortmill 14 hrs ago #62
Which says it all, really. BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #72
Ha! Ok. Joinfortmill 13 hrs ago #75
I don't need Obama's approval to have an opinion. comradebillyboy 12 hrs ago #104
Ok. Joinfortmill 12 hrs ago #106
To me RoeVWade 15 hrs ago #48
Also, didn't Joe have one or two pages. Krasnov had a boat load of boxes. Sorting that out must have been time consuming Joinfortmill 14 hrs ago #63
I don't expect any President who is multitasking all day, to be the one primarily in charge of where he set down the RoeVWade 10 hrs ago #124
I believe the only reason Garland got BlueKota 16 hrs ago #37
Impossible Orrex 16 hrs ago #38
Amen. republianmushroom 13 hrs ago #87
Cue the Garland apologists choie 16 hrs ago #39
there are no Garland apologists bigtree 13 hrs ago #69
.... BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #77
Found one! Orrex 13 hrs ago #85
This article provides the evidence you pretend iemanja 3 hrs ago #153
Res ipse loquitur. choie 1 hr ago #161
Res ipsa loquitur bigtree 56 min ago #162
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #74
With the requisite wall o' words. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #89
I think wall of facts is more accurate. Joinfortmill 12 hrs ago #105
Yes. I imagine you do. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #109
I do Joinfortmill 11 hrs ago #118
It's obvious the haters are disrespectful MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #132
Words that are proportional to the election interference & massive coup attempt catastrophe by thousands. ancianita 10 min ago #165
And we could have had: AverageOldGuy 16 hrs ago #43
Bet your bottom dollar he blew it. His inaction will never be overcome. Autumn 16 hrs ago #44
Garland sandbagged it azureblue 16 hrs ago #45
I have to admit to getting a twinge of something resembling PTSD when I read this title..... Ol Janx Spirit 16 hrs ago #47
Joe Biden was one of the greats. Joinfortmill 13 hrs ago #90
Garland was operating under a long outdated set of rules. Patton French 15 hrs ago #50
Biden nominated the wrong guy. enough 15 hrs ago #52
Which was a big mistake. BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #91
Those with money/resources/a voice who have or had connections to power Stacey Grove 15 hrs ago #55
Maybe we should at least put part of the blame on THIS supreme court? bluestarone 14 hrs ago #58
Much of the Biden administration was apparently very risk-averse. Borogove 14 hrs ago #61
And we are all now paying the penalty Stacey Grove 14 hrs ago #65
There has been so many kacekwl 14 hrs ago #66
this is old and revisionist. Besides, Dilanian is a hack. bigtree 14 hrs ago #68
There's no amount of cut and paste that's going to salvage his legacy. BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #79
That's the cheerleaders' Gish gallop Orrex 13 hrs ago #93
I'll never understand the fevered devotion. It's utterly bizarre. BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #94
There are many, many words here. All the words. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #100
Big men with tears in their eyes said, "Sir, even the best words." Stacey Grove 11 hrs ago #116
Thank you for this. Very informative... Joinfortmill 12 hrs ago #103
"Blew it" would imply a good faith effort Queso Delicioso 13 hrs ago #71
he could have stopped the investigation at any point bigtree 13 hrs ago #82
You forgot the last step Queso Delicioso 6 hrs ago #139
This will go down in history as the biggest mistake a Democratic President ever made in appointing a cabinet member. lees1975 13 hrs ago #73
I agree. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #156
I wonder how he feels about the DOJ now. Grumpy Old Guy 13 hrs ago #76
I don't know what Democrats didn't understand about insurrection bucolic_frolic 13 hrs ago #78
Agreed. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #157
They were scared of the orange convicts shadow. And many are still today. Hotler 13 hrs ago #83
where were they supposed to be 'scared" of? bigtree 13 hrs ago #95
Look- a game of "I told you so." Redleg 12 hrs ago #101
When they found the truck load of secret, classified documents in his bathroom questionseverything 11 hrs ago #122
You are probably correct. Redleg 10 hrs ago #123
Seriously! yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #158
I'm Not a Garland Fan, But Other Than This Particular Appalling Slow-walk I Think His Record Is Pretty Unimpeachable The Roux Comes First 12 hrs ago #110
Democrats had historic, multi-felony charges against their political opponent bigtree 12 hrs ago #112
Without Garland we never would have Jack Smith. nt in2herbs 12 hrs ago #113
Didn't Mueller popsdenver 7 hrs ago #138
Garland as AG is the only person with authority to appoint a special counsel. nt in2herbs 3 hrs ago #145
One possible fault. moondust 12 hrs ago #115
"Justice Delayed is Justice Denied" SleeplessinSoCal 11 hrs ago #121
Without coming down on the pro or anti markodochartaigh 9 hrs ago #126
The headline misspelled B-I-D-E-N. RockRaven 9 hrs ago #127
So, what time does Thursday Night Football start? MorbidButterflyTat 9 hrs ago #128
About as insightful as your other comments. Intractable 8 hrs ago #134
What position of power does Garland hold now? MineralMan 8 hrs ago #135
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905) Celerity 3 hrs ago #147
He bears partial blame for Trump's being President now iemanja 35 min ago #164
So much for "justice is blind" Layzeebeaver 6 hrs ago #140
I just had to close my door, I was ranting about this so loudly BigmanPigman 6 hrs ago #141
Wrong choice! seta1950 5 hrs ago #143
We all knew that in 2021 . Garland and Smith were too cautious.... Bread and Circuses 3 hrs ago #152

LymphocyteLover

(8,947 posts)
7. you seriously think he was getting paid off for that?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:20 AM
18 hrs ago

I find that hard to believe and gross without any evidence of actual corruption.

His actions make total sense from what we know about him and the DOJ the way it used to be.

Irish_Dem

(77,018 posts)
9. I seriously think some questions should be asked.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:25 AM
17 hrs ago

I don't believe in coincidences, they take a lot of planning.

Garland is responsible for the downfall of this country.
He is either totally incompetent or was part of the crime of the century.
Installing the first American fascist, racist, dictator.

LymphocyteLover

(8,947 posts)
16. putting responsibility for the downfall of the country all on Garland is total bullshit
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:29 AM
17 hrs ago

He might be in the top 10 list of people responsible for where we are, but definitely not in the top 5 IMHO

Irish_Dem

(77,018 posts)
20. I am trained as a scientist. You follow the data. Period.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:44 AM
17 hrs ago

Data obviously points to Garland.

Only two possibilities.
Garland is incompetent or part of the crime.

Either way he is culpable.
Maybe not legally but morally and ethically.

He is on the list of damn rat bastards.

rampartd

(2,788 posts)
21. bribery is possible (ie garland)
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:03 AM
17 hrs ago

bribery certainly applies in several supreme cases,

and ambition in others (the current ag and the judge in palm beach or where ever. )but garland and others may have just been afraid of the retribution. as if that can ever be avoided when powerful people are erasing their crimes from history.

bigtree

(93,116 posts)
84. who bribed him to do this?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:12 PM
13 hrs ago

Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:

Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state


Who bribed him to sucessfully prosecute over 1200 Trump-supporting rioters on charges up to Sedition?

Should be obvious that, without Garland's convictions of rioters, there wouldn't be firm evidence of Trump's complicity

...before Trump was indicted, Merrick Garland was quietly in court getting Giuliani & Parnas Etc etc's phone & email records. Garland smartly let J6 panel do their thing while he did his parallel. Jack Smith's filings show DOJ has evidence J6 committee never got.

But there are still people drafting over the top criticisms off of ONE article by WaPo's Carol Leonning claiming DOJ 'waited' or dithered around before the Jan. 6 committee spurred them to act.

It's that insidiously pernicious lie which has obscurred the actual work Merrick Garland has done from the beginning, including appointing the soecial counsel, by his own decision, who accelerated and deepened the investigations into Trump.

Even less is made by critics of the importance of Garland's prosecutors convictions of 1000's of 'foot soldiers,' including convictions for sedition and interfering with the certification of votes by Congress, something that the Jan. 6 committee focused almost exclusively on.

But none of that has stopped these Garland attackers from repeating their lies...

Hassler

(4,621 posts)
142. Thanks for the facts that too many would
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:31 PM
5 hrs ago

Rather ignore. It's almost like they want to absolve McConnell and the SCROTUS 6.

ancianita

(42,424 posts)
155. Thank you. Attackers got no defense. No facts. No sources. Just scapegoating and bitching.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:33 PM
2 hrs ago

Shipwack

(2,899 posts)
96. Bribery... or blackmail... or threats...
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:24 PM
12 hrs ago

They can all be considered, if only for completeness sake.

That being said, I think he was just the right man at the wrong time. He would have been a fine AG in more “normal” circumstances. He just failed to rise to the occasion.

ancianita

(42,424 posts)
160. Completeness?? Puh-lease. For imagination's sake. Bad faith imaginings.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:00 PM
2 hrs ago

He did not fail. That's been factually made clear on DU at least ten times. I've got at least 9 more.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219902669#post16

No one who wants a scapegoat cares about the facts of Garland's work.

Trueblue Texan

(3,941 posts)
42. Garland's problem is one that has hurt our party for too long...
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:57 AM
16 hrs ago

We are too fucking polite, we struggle with the idea that civilized people can behave in uncivilized ways. Even when evidence dictates we are dealing with the lowest scumbags on earth, we're afraid to insult them with accusations and public revelations of who they really are. The media does the same thing. How many years was Dump allowed to tell blatant lies to the public before anyone in the media called him a liar? Even now, you rarely hear that truth spoken allowed. And now he has intimidated everyone so no one is willing to speak. By not calling out the bullies early, we allowed them to gain far too much influence.

70sEraVet

(5,059 posts)
49. We have been playing by The Marquess of Queensberry Rules
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:50 AM
15 hrs ago

While the other team has been playing by Calvinball rules.
We have just begun to accept the fact that the Republican Party under trump is a criminal organization, whose only goal is the enrichment and continuation of power of its members.

Stacey Grove

(73 posts)
54. The right wing radicals have been playing by the rules of the abuser and the rapist
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:17 AM
15 hrs ago

they simply do whatever they please.

PatSeg

(51,338 posts)
108. I'm not sure the problems is
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:53 PM
12 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:27 PM - Edit history (1)

"We are too fucking polite", the problem is they lack basic decency, manners, and morality. We shouldn't be penalized for being civilized and reasonable.

ProfessorGAC

(75,006 posts)
136. Perhaps, But When You Know You Are Dealing With...
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 05:34 PM
7 hrs ago

...lying, conniving, fraudsters with no regard for the law, staying with standard protocols is shortsighted.
They were counting on things slow rolling so they could regain power before the law could catch up with them.
It may be that "too polite" isn't accurate. But, naive seems to apply.

PatSeg

(51,338 posts)
146. This is true
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:26 PM
3 hrs ago

I suppose it has been hard for so many of us to believe that any group of people could be this rotten to the core and to actually get away with it. I'm not sure it is necessarily naive, especially being so many of us have warned about the possibility of such people taking over for a long time.

As much as I knew it could happen, I didn't think Trump and his cronies to do it so quickly and brutally.

ancianita

(42,424 posts)
163. Not the main one. The judiciary hurt the country. AG Garland was the solution, not part of the problem.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 12:38 AM
45 min ago

There was no "EARLY." But there were

republican confirmation delays,
courts allowing frivolous motions,
courts hearing schedules,
courts appeals delays,
and the worst, SCOTUS delays


In review. For the TENTH time.

GARLAND was confirmed 2 MONTHS after Biden -- Republican holdup

Garland's #2 was confirmed by Congress 3 MONTHS after Biden -- Republican holdup;
then Lisa Monaco immediately operationalized the DOJ's eight major divisions.


Mar 10 2021: Merrick Garland confirmed as AG by Congress
Mar 11 2021: AG Garland assumes office

Apr 21 2021: Deputy AG Lisa O. Monaco assumes office

“Delay detractors" are off by over a year because the FBI IS the DOJ, and Garland's FBI began arrests on Jan 6 2021 and continued DOJ convictions until December 2024.

During the first months of FBI arrest actions, Garland was prosecuting new and outstanding cases, all while rebuilding the personnel of his assistant AG’s, deputies, and 8 Division heads. And meanwhile...

Republicans DELAY: STILL made Garland wait months for his division heads' confirmations;
SIX MONTHS after Biden inaugurated, July 2021: Republicans did not confirm Kenneth Polite to head the DOJ Criminal Division


10 months after he assumed office, January 6 2022 Garland stated:
“So far, we have
-- issued over 5,000 subpoenas and search warrants,
-- seized approximately 2,000 devices,
-- pored through over 20,000 hours of video footage, and
-- searched through an estimated 15 terabytes of data...
-- received over 300,000 tips from ordinary citizens, who have been our indispensable partners in this effort.”

Jan 2022 — Garland obtained
— 15 boxes found in the storage area
— the FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Maralago — of those
— 184 unique documents bearing classification markings, of those:
— 67 docs marked Confidential
— 92 docs marked Secret
— 25 docs marked Top Secret
markings reflected that docs were subject to sensitive compartments and dissemination controls
used to restrict access to material in the interest of national security, including
HCS(Humint Control system),
FISA(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act),
ORCON (originator controlled),
NORORN (could be NOFORN, no foreign national), AND
SI(Special Intelligence)


May 10 2022
— The first 100 documents marked as classified totaled over 700 pages [National Archives letter to Trump attorney, May 10, 2022]
May 11 2022:
— Garland convenes four DOJ Grand juries, one for Jan 6 convened until March 2024
— Grand Jury subpoenas Trump for documents

June 3 2022
— Trump lawyer hands over 40 boxes from Maralago storage room
— 38 docs marked Classified


June 3 2022: Garland's DOJ Grand jury subpoenas Trump for remaining classified govt documents in Maralago,
lawyers for Trump "certifying" that there were no more;
Trump stole 11,000 government docs, 300 classified docs — lawyers earlier handed over even more

July 22 2022: Garland's Grand jury testimony by Marc Short, Mike Pence’s Chief of Staff, & Short's counsel Greg Jacob

August 8 2022
— FBI warrant search of Maralago
— 103 marked Classified
— 18 marked Top Secret

The law violated: —- 18 U.S.C. 793— Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information.
Penalty: Fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
More on the indictability of stolen documents:
https://www.justsecurity.org/83034/tracker-evidence-of-trumps-knowledge-and-involvement-in-retaining-mar-a-lago-documents/

Sept 2 2022:
Garland's Grand jury subpoenaed testimony by Pat Cipollone,
a) one of the participants in WH meeting Dec 18 2020, that included Giuliani, Powell, Flynn, Patrick Byrne of Overstock,
b) Cipollone sat in on Jan 3 2021 DOJ official meeting with Trump, and
c) Cipollone was in direct contact with trump on Jan 6 during capitol insurrection, and did nothing when Meadows told him Trump didn’t want to interfere with rioters calling for hanging Mike Pence)
and Patrick Philbin

Sept 15 2022: Garland's Grand Jury subpoenas Mark Meadows for testimony and documents
the month of Sept 2022: Garland's DOJ issued over 40 subpoenas to people close to Trump, some of whom are
— Bill Stepien, DT’s campaign mgr; part of team to prevent certification
— Sean Dollman, DT’s campaign CFO
— Ben Williamson, Deputy of Mark Meadows,
— Boris Epshteyn, Trump's lawyer -- phone demanded; part of team to prevent certification
— Mike Lindell -- phone seized
— William Russell, WH special asst to Trump, THEN special aide to Trump in Mar-a-lago

Oct 6 2022: Garland's Grand jury calls back Greg Jacob
Oct 13 2022: Garland's Grand Jury calls back Marc Short, Pence's chief of staff

Nov 4 2022: classified docs found in Biden’s
-- Wilmington home (garage, library), (no docs in Rehoboth beach home) and
-- Penn Biden Center in DC (Richard Sauber is spec counsel to Pres Biden)
Nov 14 2022: Garland asks John Lausch (Trump appointed US Atty, Chicago) to review found Biden documents


Nov 18 2022 Garland appoints Jack Smith (3 days after Trump announces his candidacy for 2024), who inherits all the Garland evidence, investigative and charging documents

By that very day, Nov 18 2022, Garland's DOJ had convicted more than 323 Jan 6 insurrectionists.

All of the above is what AG Merrick Garland did before Jack Smith.

Garland actions were the CORE contribution to the two Special Counsel investigations.
Garland handed off GARLAND's Classified Documents case and Election Interference case to Jack Smith on the day Smith was sworn in.


These will forever remain the facts of Garland's Jan 6 work during his first 20 months in office -- SIXTEEN Jan 6 convictions per week -- INCLUDING...

Garland secured historic convictions for seditious conspiracy (18 U.S. Code § 2384) against leaders of Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys

Stewart Rhodes: sentenced in May 2023 to 18 years in prison—one of the longest sentences handed down in connection with the Capitol attack.
Kelly Meggs: The leader of the Oath Keepers' Florida -- 12 years in prison.
Joseph Hackett and Roberto Minuta: Florida chapters -- 42 months, 5 years

Enrique Tarrio: The former chairman of the Proud Boys -- 21 years in prison.
Ethan Nordean: 18 years in prison.
Joseph Biggs: A prominent organizer and a former Infowars correspondent --17 years in prison.
Zachary Rehl: The president of the Philadelphia chapter -- 15 years in prison.



What REALLY stands out is the memory-free, fact-free and willful ignorance of DU's Garland attackers, especially of Garland's wisdom in choosing Jack Smith at the Hague as Special Counsel.

My own past defense of Merrick Garland was to remind attackers here that they need more and wider perspective, and less self indulgent, constant complaining and name calling when they didn't get the faster convictions they want because of the federal courts system we have.

History will remember the factual scope and magnitude of justice the Garland DOJ gave this country, and Garland himself as the most productive AG of the last three Democratic administrations.

SCantiGOP

(14,622 posts)
97. Saying Garland was bribed
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:24 PM
12 hrs ago

Is probably the most absurd comment I have seen on DU in months.

FHRRK

(1,239 posts)
99. Saying he was bribed or people defending him?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:29 PM
12 hrs ago

I will go with people defending him every time.

LymphocyteLover

(8,947 posts)
111. I'm trained as a scientist and follow the data too. But I must be following different data.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:00 PM
12 hrs ago

Certainly I've seen no reason to think Garland is unethical or corrupt.

His biggest weakness was being overly cautious. But ultimately I just can't blame him for trump as much I blame SCOTUS, the GOP, FoxNews and freaking voters.

Bluepinky

(2,496 posts)
120. At the very least, he could have appointed Jack Smith a lot sooner
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 02:01 PM
11 hrs ago

if he felt he wasn’t up to the task of investigating a former president.

I was furious at him during those years, and this just proves our anger was justified.

PufPuf23

(9,638 posts)
137. More than two possibilities.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 05:42 PM
7 hrs ago

IMO Garland was a poor choice for either USSC or AG.

Garland is competent at being part of the political elite that control the mass population.

Garland kicked the can down the road to maintain the system.

The system is much different than the ideals we are taught about the Constitution and morality in a general sense.

Agree that Garland is a rat bastard by "virtue" of the system and the apologists for the system.

Garland is part of the crime only as far as the system itself is a crime, the crime that puts most under the dominance of the few allowed by the privileges of the apologists. May be the apologists are the true enemy to address.

Irish_Dem

(77,018 posts)
34. Garland stepped on his dick the whole time the greatest crime in US history was being planned.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:34 AM
16 hrs ago

He damn well knew what was happening.
Another traitor.

sheshe2

(94,629 posts)
154. So he alone caused the downfall of this country?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:20 PM
3 hrs ago
Garland is responsible for the downfall of this country.


For one labeled as inept, he sure was powerful.

MichMan

(16,169 posts)
29. One question; Why did President Biden stand by him for 4 years?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:27 AM
16 hrs ago

Even if he decided he should have never picked him, he could have fired him at any time.

Stacey Grove

(73 posts)
51. Because he is an institutionalist with "faith" in a broken system;
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:57 AM
15 hrs ago

who still has the worldview of politics from back when there was the possibility of bipartisanship and not scorched-earth engagement on the part of repukes.

Scubamatt

(224 posts)
81. I agree
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:06 PM
13 hrs ago

Biden was not perfect by any means and not a saint, but I do believe he was a decent guy who came up the systems in better times when the rules - though imperfect - were generally followed. I think he saw his election as the victory over Trumpism and the return to normalcy and didn't appreciation the need for quick and forceful reaction to the continued threat.

Stacey Grove

(73 posts)
92. Biden's presidency was immersed within an actual coup started on Jan 6
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:19 PM
13 hrs ago

where the Child Rapist sucked all the oxygen out of the room during the entire Biden administration - almost to the point of running a shadow presidency parallel to the Biden administration.

CrispyQ

(40,382 posts)
98. Democratic leadership & the dems in general,
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:24 PM
12 hrs ago

have not taken the rightward shift of the Republican Party seriously—for decades! I would have thought 12.12.2000 would have woken them up, but no. And they were cavalier, no, reckless, thinking Trump/maga were done just cuz Biden won in 2020.

Hey Joe

(287 posts)
70. Agree
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:45 AM
13 hrs ago

He certainly took great pains to slow walk the investigation and seemed overly cautious in making what should have been a clearer case against some of the actions of the Trump administration.

CrispyQ

(40,382 posts)
86. I totally disagree that his actions made sense.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:13 PM
13 hrs ago






Fuck Merrick Garland.

There was absolutely no excuse for letting Trump walk from any of the above. IIRC, at the very same time these document pics were being published someone else was was handed quite a harsh sentence for having a few classified docs. Our side worries way too much about appearances & here we are.

themaguffin

(4,803 posts)
14. Nah, he clearly wasn't right for the job. 2021 wasn't the time for a timid "if we do something it's political" bs
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:27 AM
17 hrs ago

rampartd

(2,788 posts)
23. brazil's response to boisonero is the only way to deal with these guys
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:05 AM
17 hrs ago

short of regime change.

Scrivener7

(57,602 posts)
2. This isn't a Law & Order episode. You're such a defeatist. Patience, grasshopper. Garland's got this.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 06:42 AM
18 hrs ago

Scrivener7

(57,602 posts)
5. Oh, some still insist they were right all along, and Garland was actually totally speedy and effective.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 06:46 AM
18 hrs ago

Honestly, in retrospect, I don't mind the disagreement that existed. It was the nastiness of the swarming denigration toward those of us who were pointing out reality.

RVN VET71

(3,089 posts)
31. Media still timidly, and with an abundance of caution, calls Fascists "authoritarians" goddammit.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:29 AM
16 hrs ago

Even Rachel, whom I love and dearly respect and admire, was unable to bring herself to describe Musk's salute to a fascist audience as a "Roman" salute and not a "Nazi" salute which is certainly what Musk intended.

The media has been -- still is -- too cautious in calling out the fascist pigs as fascist pigs. I know it is necessary to tone it down or lose credibility with the public. But the media has toned it down so low it is not at all audible. We all know, I hope, that what Trump and his band of traitors is doing is nothing less than a fascist destruction of the democratic process.

But "they" didn't know." They" still refuse to know.

"They" being the 77,000,000 bloody assholes who voted for the fascists in 2024. The 77,000,000 who went to the polls and said that, by golly, what this country needs is a little time out from democracy -- because democracy means voting for a woman, and not just any woman, a Black woman. And not just any Black woman, but a Black woman married to a Jew. While Trump, they convinced their mindless heads, Trump will restore democracy by taking it away from "some" people. And he's going to make us all rich folks who are white and speak engelish (sic) like Americans.



Clouds Passing

(6,337 posts)
60. The media should be hysterical with the nazi fascist language. Like they were with Biden's terrible debate.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:31 AM
14 hrs ago

RVN VET71

(3,089 posts)
107. It is apparently "very concerning" to the media when an old Liberal shows his age
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:51 PM
12 hrs ago

But an old fascist? The coverage he gets for his dementia-light gaffes is whispered, if it receives any mention at all.

The media moves on, enabling the Fascist in Chief-- and his scabrous elflings- -- to make up stories about an imaginary terrorist group named "Antifa" and never, ever, ever mentioning the Proud Nazi Boys, or the "Oath Keepers" (talk about in-your-face irony) and other Nazi light and Nazi heavy groups that Trump pardoned so they could be free to attack and maim police officers and attempt to find and murder Liberal Democrats again. .

(Of course, the Dems are still "fighting" as if it were the old days, when Parties could disagree and Members of each could have pleasant lunches and even drinking sessions with the other. The Dems need to wake up to the fact that they no longer have "colleagues" on the Fascist-Republican side of the aisle. They have enemies who are working very hard to undermine everything the old Democratic Party says it stands for.)


BannonsLiver

(19,868 posts)
64. They formed the Garland Society.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:54 AM
14 hrs ago

Small but dedicated, the reality based Garland Society aims to celebrate and preserve the legacy of America’s greatest, bestest, most groovy and unfairly maligned DOJ official. Argle bargle!

yellow dahlia

(3,731 posts)
151. Might it have been kompromat?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:15 PM
3 hrs ago

Such much in D.C. seems to be under the thumb of kompromat.

spooky3

(38,049 posts)
102. To me, the biggest clue was when Schiff spoke out so forcefully early
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:38 PM
12 hrs ago

On the Jan. 6 committee. He asked why the DOJ hadn’t done what the committee was doing and called them out to get on the stick, which they apparently ignored.

CaptainTruth

(7,966 posts)
28. Yep. Garland should be sitting on SCOTUS!
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:26 AM
16 hrs ago

FUCK MITCH MCCONNELL!!!

Things could have been very different. I can't help but feel like we should have found some way to get Garland seated on the bench after McConnell abdicated his duty to "advise & consent."

True Dough

(24,919 posts)
40. This cannot be said enough!
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:49 AM
16 hrs ago

He built Frankenstein and then came to realize he couldn't control the monster.

(Hope the same thing isn't currently happening with AI.)

Joinfortmill

(19,346 posts)
8. 'Acting on a mix of principle and caution'
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:23 AM
17 hrs ago

This is the 'sin' Garland committed? And now they're including Joe Biden? WTF, people?

Martin Eden

(15,072 posts)
46. And now Trump is demanding indictments, claiming Garland weaponized the Justice Dept
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:19 AM
16 hrs ago

For political reasons.

Hell, justice was delayed and ultimately denied because Garland wanted to avoid political motivations at all costs.

Ironically, it was this political consideration that resulted in Trump’s 2nd term rather than a full time gig in prison.

LymphocyteLover

(8,947 posts)
11. IMHO, being cautious in prosecuting a former POTUS, no matter how guilty they seem, is
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:25 AM
17 hrs ago

completely reasonable.

And for the hundredth time, Garland initiated the prosecutions and the ultimate problem was fucking SCOTUS.

Ponietz

(4,119 posts)
19. Downvote
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:40 AM
17 hrs ago

Tang the Conqueror was a clear and present danger from the day Biden took the oath. DOJ did fine with the peons, but played tiddly winks with him.

Crunchy Frog

(28,143 posts)
67. It isn't reasonable when the former POTUS engineered an attempted violent coup to overthrow an election.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:11 AM
14 hrs ago

Ultimately though, I think the buck stops with the person who appointed him to the position.

markodochartaigh

(4,522 posts)
125. Back in Texas a half century ago
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 03:44 PM
9 hrs ago

I often heard that "a Texas Democrat is like a New York Republican".

ancianita

(42,424 posts)
148. Wrong. Merrick Garland, born in Chicago, was a Democrat when he was a private citizen in Chicago.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:00 PM
3 hrs ago

Though judges in the U.S. generally do not have formal political affiliations and are expected to be nonpartisan in their judicial duties, Garland was known to be part of "rarefied Democratic legal circles" and is considered a moderate liberal judge.

Intractable

(1,353 posts)
25. Did you see the press conference where Garland calls out Bondi's DOJ for their illegal relationship w the White house?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:12 AM
17 hrs ago

Well, neither did I.

Just one more time ... one last time ... I'd like to see Garland get in front of the national news cameras and tell us that "no one is above the law."

It was always so inspiring.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,840 posts)
131. Why should he?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 04:41 PM
8 hrs ago

Look at the poison being thrown at him at Democratic Underground, FFS!

He and his family have probably received hundreds if not thousands of death threats from MAGAts. Why should he paint a target on himself when "our side" hates and despises him? Not to mention anyone who dares make reasonable statements in his favor.

Intractable

(1,353 posts)
133. I agree that Garland should only do what his heart is into.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 04:49 PM
8 hrs ago

I agree that he is a tiny little man who had a potentially important place in history, who ultimately was just a player for the desires of the Federalist Society.

gab13by13

(30,297 posts)
30. A lot of DUers here were bashed for the crime of criticizing Merrick Garland.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:29 AM
16 hrs ago

Jack Smith rushed to write up reports for his 2 prosecutions so that Garland had them.

Last I checked, the J6 prosecution report has been released, albeit, heavily redacted, while the documents prosecution report has never been released. I didn't want Garland to pull a Bill Barr and lie about a special counsel's report, I just wanted him to release them.

The document's report is probably buried in the rubble of the East Wing.

3Hotdogs

(14,750 posts)
119. Lest we forget, Eric Holder was also about as useless as my left nut -- no attempt to even investigate
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:56 PM
11 hrs ago

Georgie, Donny Rumsfeld or Cheney.


AND I got a "hide" for pointing this out a few years ago.

Didn't matter if it was true or not.

gab13by13

(30,297 posts)
27. I'm not a scientist, but I had math in grade school,
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:21 AM
17 hrs ago

Merrick Garland waited 11 months to search Mar-a-Lago.

Merrick Garland waited 4 days to search President Biden's properties.

I also can remember history about Garland; when Krasnov fired James Comey, Mike Lee, the radical Senator from Utah, went to Krasnov and asked him to pick Merrick Garland to replace Comey as FBI Director. Imagine that. Think about that? What did Lee know about Garland?

gab13by13

(30,297 posts)
41. Good point,
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:51 AM
16 hrs ago

It raises the question, who was right about Garland, Lee or Obama?

I'm not so sure that Garland would have made a good justice, he certainly was a bad AG. Was the main reason that Obama picked Garland that he would be acceptable to some Senate Magats?

I don't believe he was bought off as AG, but I do believe that he caved to the pressure.

Joinfortmill

(19,346 posts)
62. Not certain Obama would agree with your assessment. As far as I can tell Obama has not spoken on the matter.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:47 AM
14 hrs ago

comradebillyboy

(10,910 posts)
104. I don't need Obama's approval to have an opinion.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:43 PM
12 hrs ago

I think he made a number of serious errors as president.

RoeVWade

(693 posts)
48. To me
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:28 AM
15 hrs ago
Merrick Garland waited 11 months to search Mar-a-Lago.

Merrick Garland waited 4 days to search President Biden's properties.


in isolation, this makes sense to me. The documents case didn't become a big deal until all of Trump's unexpected irrational stonewalling. By the time we get to Biden, any errant document holders for any reason was a big deal.

Joinfortmill

(19,346 posts)
63. Also, didn't Joe have one or two pages. Krasnov had a boat load of boxes. Sorting that out must have been time consuming
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:53 AM
14 hrs ago

RoeVWade

(693 posts)
124. I don't expect any President who is multitasking all day, to be the one primarily in charge of where he set down the
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 02:53 PM
10 hrs ago

last document. Someone else should be doing that daily or at least weekly. But Trump took what could be taken for granted, and doubled , tripled down on STUPID. He should have been ousted just for that alone, if any MAGA decided to have any sense.

BlueKota

(4,747 posts)
37. I believe the only reason Garland got
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:39 AM
16 hrs ago

the job was because people on our side were still mad because the Republicons kept him off the Supreme Court. The only thing Garland should have considered is whether tsf had broken the law, not how his arrest and the prosecution would be perceived by the other side. We all publicly witnessed the laws tsf violated. He should have been prosecuted.

It wouldn't have been a malicious prosecution to begin with. Tsf was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Now instead we have the cons prosecuting people regardless of whether or not they actually guilty or not.

Decisions need to be made logically, and based on facts not hurt feelings, and anxiety about what other people are going to think of it.

Orrex

(66,298 posts)
38. Impossible
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:42 AM
16 hrs ago

For years, I’ve been scolded and ridiculed by the cheerleaders for suggesting that Garland was anything less than the perfect guy for the job, doing everything possible to hold Trump accountable.

bigtree

(93,116 posts)
69. there are no Garland apologists
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:44 AM
13 hrs ago

...only Garland attackers who never come complete or correct with facts to support their attacks on Garland.

Just this 'Garland late' or 'Garland delayed' without a shred of proof those delays affected anything, not even bothering to explain, just the gaslighting, and the derision of anyone who takes the time to post facts of the case.

With the constant Garland bashers on the left, coupled with the constant Garland bashers on the right, it's no wonder the public impression of the people who were actual prosecuting Trump is so skewed against them, And it should be obvious in this internet propaganda age just how insidiously many work to divide our opposition.

But the zeal to blame the people actually doing the work of holding Trump accountable outstripped any effort to do more than play this 'Garland delayed shit' against each and every progress in the investigation, including the historic dual, multi-felony indictments..

No credit for that because of some clickbait report Carol Leonnig wrote, and now a book she wrote....

All of this supposing a WaPO clickbait reporter who's making money off of a clickbait book is more credible than the actual prosecutors of Trump.

It's just fucking stupid. No mature adult should be cowed by anyone claiming they're 'apologizing' for Garland by defending actual facts in the case, or explaining something beyond the misleading and ignorant claims that an internecine debate between FBI and DOJ, or an alleged 10 week delay in subpoenas materially affected ANYTHING in the prosecution.

Someone needs to apologize for elevating a clickbait WaPo reporter over the word and actions of the Biden DOJ.

Who the fuck is she, and what actual access was she supposed to have had to make these claims?

At the very least, the people who were prosecuting Trump, doing ALL the work, deserve to be heard from before making these specious judgments this reporter is inviting people to make, pretending like her position outside the investigation gives hes some insight yet unrevealed by this sophomoric recitation of things only visible from her desk at the newsroom.

iemanja

(57,030 posts)
153. This article provides the evidence you pretend
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:17 PM
3 hrs ago

don’t exist. You treat Garland like he’s your hero.

Response to choie (Reply #39)

ancianita

(42,424 posts)
165. Words that are proportional to the election interference & massive coup attempt catastrophe by thousands.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:12 AM
10 min ago

Non loqueris contra proximum tuum falsum testimonium.

AverageOldGuy

(3,111 posts)
43. And we could have had:
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:59 AM
16 hrs ago

Doug Jones.

From the Wikipedia article.

In 1997, President Bill Clinton appointed Jones as U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama. Jones's most prominent cases were the successful prosecution of two Ku Klux Klan members for the 1963 Birmingham church bombing that killed four African-American girls and the indictment of domestic terrorist Eric Rudolph.

Jones prosecuted Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr. and Bobby Frank Cherry, two members of the Ku Klux Klan, for their roles in the 1963 16th Street Baptist Church bombing. The case was reopened the year before Jones was appointed, but did not gain traction until his appointment. A federal grand jury was called in 1998, which caught the attention of Cherry's ex-wife, Willadean Cherry, and led her to call the FBI to give her testimony. Willadean then introduced Jones to family and friends, who reported their own experiences from the time of the bombing. A key piece of evidence was a tape from the time of the bombing in which Blanton said he had plotted with others to make the bomb. Jones was deputized to argue in state court and indicted Blanton and Cherry in 2000.[24][25] Blanton was found guilty in 2001 and Cherry in 2002. Both were sentenced to life in prison. Cherry died in prison in 2004.[26] Blanton was up for parole in 2016; Jones spoke against his release, and parole was denied.[27] Blanton died in prison in 2020.[28]



The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing was in 1963. In 1977 Alabama Attorney General Bill Baxley prosecuted one of the bombers. The case then lay dormant until Jones re-opened it in 1998 and nailed two more of the KKK bastards.

azureblue

(2,594 posts)
45. Garland sandbagged it
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:12 AM
16 hrs ago

His stated reasons for slow walking don't add up at all. He claims "Caution" but he showed much less caution in previous cases. He had plenty to go forward, but did not.

Ol Janx Spirit

(462 posts)
47. I have to admit to getting a twinge of something resembling PTSD when I read this title.....
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:23 AM
16 hrs ago

...after being flamed by many fellow DUers for saying just this.

On paper Garland seemed like a good choice for AG having been a prosecutor, and many of us had high hopes that he would be motivated to run roughshod over Republicans that had denied him a coveted position on the Supreme Court--but it became clear early on that both he and Biden saw no political or legal urgency to prosecute people at the top of the pyramid of J6.

Unfortunately, this will be the biggest part of both of their legacies.

Stacey Grove

(73 posts)
55. Those with money/resources/a voice who have or had connections to power
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:20 AM
15 hrs ago

(on both sides) are doing peachy keen - THEY are not US.

bluestarone

(20,625 posts)
58. Maybe we should at least put part of the blame on THIS supreme court?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:28 AM
14 hrs ago

It's amazing how America was brought to it's knees with one word. Remember? IMMUNITY!! destroyed us.

Stacey Grove

(73 posts)
65. And we are all now paying the penalty
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:57 AM
14 hrs ago

I would not have had a problem with Biden for violating the law/declaring emergency powers/ruling by edict or E.O. in the same way the Child Rapist routinely does on a daily basis if it would have protected us from these monsters.

Goose/Gander - COOKED.

Alas . . .

kacekwl

(8,732 posts)
66. There has been so many
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:03 AM
14 hrs ago

supposedly saviors who were going to take trump down, Garland, Mueller etc. with zero results. We're on our own folks sadly.

bigtree

(93,116 posts)
68. this is old and revisionist. Besides, Dilanian is a hack.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:15 AM
14 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:12 PM - Edit history (1)

SMITH BROUGHT CHARGES 15 MONTHS BEFORE WE VOTED.

Anyone claiming more time would have resulted in a Trump prosecution, are ignoring the Supreme Court which delayed the trial until right before we voted giving Trump immunities from prosecution not in the Constitution, and assuming that interference was the only delay they could engineer.

The Supreme Court interference prevented Trump from going to trial right before the election, not the prosecutors.

I mean, what is this shit blaming people who were working to prosecute Trump? Acting all superior to the several dozen career prosecutors who fought to get Trump to trial through all of the historically withering challenges to every piece of evidence, subpoena, and testimony; Basically advantaging this screed against the Garland team with the delays the Trump team engineered with compliant courts setting dates of hearing as far into the future as they were able.

And this shit about bringing some lesser charges earlier is the most ignorant bullshit that comes with this fuckery, supposing that a lesser set of charges would survive the court gauntlet better than a well-established prosecution.

Tell us, great internet Garland critics working on your fantasy prosecution, How you get a prosecution without the testimony of his top attorneys and deputies who all filed privilege claims which went through several successive courts packed with republican and Trump appointees, successfully stripping them of their claimed privileges and forcing their testimony.

Hell these fucking Garland critics don't even tell us what they would charge him with, much less explain what evidence and what the state of it was in appeals. But people read their rookie shit and go, oh yeah Garland definitely fucked up.

Here's something, TAKE A GODDAMN MINUTE AND EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE WHAT THE STATE OF EVIDENCE WAS AT THE TIME YOU CLAIM GARLAND SHOULD HAVE HAD TRUMP IN COURT.

DO THAT, OR JUST ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROSECUTION.

SPECIFIC EVIDENCE, AND WHERE IT STOOD AT THE TIME ON APPEAL, BECAUSE IT DAMN SURE WAS ON APPEAL.

Besides all of that, charges Merrick Garland delayed or dragged his feet on the investigation are proven false in the Smith report They persisted because most of the substantive details of the investigation initiated by AG Garland's prosecutors in 2021 were kept secret by DOJ, except for court filings and what the perps revealed.

But now we have a report in which Jack Smith defends the AG against those charges, outlining how delays which the myriad appeals and challenges made by the perps subpoenaed for evidence and testimony often stretched out for months and years, not always overlapping, and stretching out for years, well into the Smith appointment with Garland prosecutors defending those key pieces of evidence and testimony in courts well into his term.

Smith’s report emphasized that the Justice Department was aggressively investigating leads related to Trump long before the special counsel’s tenure began. Litigation tactics by Trump and his allies, Smith argued, were the key factors that slowed the process to a crawl.

...It took Smith more than a year to obtain text messages between Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) and Trump DOJ official Jeffrey Clark. And the department spent months fighting to access communications of John Eastman, a lawyer who helped devise Trump’s last-ditch efforts to remain in power.

The most protracted battles of all stemmed from Trump’s “broad invocation of executive privilege to try to prevent witnesses from providing evidence,” Smith wrote. It took months of secretive legal proceedings to secure testimony from Trump White House aides such as Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino and Pat Cipollone. Former Vice President Mike Pence also resisted testifying until a court ordered him to reveal some — but not all — details about his interactions with Trump. Smith noted that judges broadly rejected Trump’s privilege claims, with one holding that he was engaged in an “obvious” effort to delay the investigation.

Smith also drew attention to what may have been his biggest foil: the Supreme Court. He pointed out that the justices rebuffed his effort to put Trump’s presidential immunity claims on a similar timetable to the one the court adopted five decades earlier in litigation over Watergate and President Richard Nixon’s tapes.

And Smith argued that the Supreme Court’s resolution of Trump’s immunity assertion essentially guaranteed another round of litigation that would have been all but certain to return to the justices if Trump had not won the election and the prosecution had continued.

read: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/jack-smith-special-counsel-report-takeaways-00198252



Politico touched on this:



You have to wonder what journos and pundits like Carol Leonning are thinking today, trying to decide whether to double down on their false reporting that there was some delay or indecision from the AG about proceeding to prosecute Trump and his henchmen, or equivocate.

Carol Leonnig @CarolLeonnig Jun 2023
Many people inside DOJ strongly believe this . As one told us - “without the Jan 6 committee I’m convinced there wouldn’t have been a DOJ investigation into Trump’s role.”


Like most of Garland's critics, she should actually read people like Marcy Wheeler who has spent the years since that intrepid WaPo reporter wrote the article that was repeated and embellished by countless people to subvert and demagogue the efforts of the AG, including notables like Weissmann who spouted off those exact lies about the Garland's efforts as if he had some inside knowledge of a secret investigatory process; he just read from her article and embellished her misinformation with derision and hyper-concern.

here's Marcy:

(Critics) complained today that DOJ pursued the money trail and suspected communications with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers immediately, both of which theories had solid evidence (likely arising from the mishandled Brandon Straka prosecution and the Owen Shroyer arrest) behind them. The money trail ended up being a dry hole; the comms angle ended up being inconclusive. But that’s the kind of thing Goodman and his ilk were demanding in real time — multiple prongs to pursue the case. Follow the money!

Instead, prosecutors’ most productive 2021 efforts appears to be getting an SDNY judge to allow DOJ to use the existing Special Master review for phones seized from Rudy Giuliani in April 2021 to prioritize obtaining the January 6 content. DOJ started with Co-Conspirator #1, and did so in a way that Trump had limited ability to obstruct. And from there, they seized one after another phone: John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark in June 2022, Scott Perry in August 2022, Boris Epshteyn and Mike Roman in September 2022, all of which would have had delays (not reflected in Jack Smith’s report because none of those have been unsealed) because of attorney-client, Speech and Debate, or technical exploitation issues, yet all of which would have been necessary given their reliance on encrypted apps. (This post argues that Smith likely didn’t get the content of Roman and Epshteyn’s phones until after he first indicted Trump.) You were never going to avoid getting the co-conspirator phones, because this coup was planned on encrypted apps and all of them fought disclosure. It appears that DOJ opportunistically seized the first of those on the first day there was a confirmed DAG to approve doing so. It is also clear that that wasn’t enough.

But if you’re going to make these complaints about what you read in Jack Smith’s report, you should note what else Smith said. The January 6 Committee work “comprised a small part of the Office’s investigative record,” but before Smith could use anything from J6C, prosecutors first had to “develop or verify those facts through independent interviews and other investigative steps.”

The Office’s investigation included consideration of the report issued on December 22, 2022, by the U.S. House of Representatives’ Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, as well as certain materials received from the Committee. Those materials comprised a small part of the Office’s investigative record, and any facts on which the Office relied to make a prosecution decision were developed or verified through independent interviews and other investigative steps. During the prosecution of the Election Case, Mr. Trump alleged that the Select Committee and Special Counsel’s Office were one and the same and sought additional discovery about the Select Committee’s work. The district court rejected the claim. See ECF No. 263 at 47 (concluding that Mr. Trump has “not supplied an adequate basis to consider the January 6 Select Committee part of the prosecution team”). Regardless, the Office provided or otherwise made available to Mr. Trump in discovery all materials received from the Select Committee. See ECF No. 263 at 47 (“the Government states that it has already produced all the records it received from the Committee”).


We know from the immunity appendix that Jack Smith had productive follow-up interviews with Bill Barr, Ronna McDaniel, and Jason Miller, among others, to say nothing about more extensive cooperation with Eric Herschmann and Mike Pence’s privilege-waived interview(s).

But validating what J6C did could not start until J6C released transcripts in December 2022, after a 3-7 month delay.

more:https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/01/15/what-jack-smith-didnt-say-about-the-january-6-investigation/


thread:

Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney
NEW: Jack Smith defended Garland’s pace, laying out DOJ’s frenetic, secretive efforts to win privilege fights with recalcitrant witnesses — Scott Perry, Mike Pence, John Eastman — that took months.

More takeaways from the Smith report. w/ @joshgerstein

https://politico.com/news/2025/01/14/jack-smith-special-counsel-report-takeaways-00198252

related:

Merrick Garland is Getting a Bum Rap
The claim that he is responsible for Trump’s evasion of accountability is clearly wrong.
https://harrylitman.substack.com/p/merrick-garland-is-getting-a-bum

'The Situation: In Defense of Merrick Garland'
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-situation--in-defense-of-merrick-garland

...one more thing.

Don't just fucking ignore that there isn't ONE actual prosecutor who worked under Garland who has come out with anything close backing up ANY of the critics.

That should make sense to people who bothered to read the Smith report, or to people who should know better who are assuming the Supreme Court ever intended to let the trial occur before we voted again.

Also ask yourself why none of what I posted is ever discussed by critics who rely on the time passed to make their stupid claims without bithering to identify what was going on at DOJ at the time, what DOJ was pursuing, what the appeals and challenges involved; how many; the successful results; and what the evidence gathered and defended had to do with the actual indictments.

That clickbait sophistry from Dilanian is certainly an invitation to attack Merrick Garland along with the Trump administration. That's right. Attacking Garland with bullshit is no better than maga attacking him, assuming that Garland's delays were consequential to anything more than this invented narrative by people who had zero to do with the investigation, and don't even bother to report the details, much less the details of what they're alleging.

The contradictions in this book are stunning, but not unexpected, because you only have to traverse a short distance in this report to find fucking Carol Leoning at the heart of it. She doesn't actually know the details of what was occurring inside DOJ, got it completely wrong, contradicted her own reporting, and now is making money pushing this same false narrative - and you can bet there will be pushback whenever Smith and Garland feel like it.

The book in this report admits "it took more than a year after Trump was defeated for the Justice Department to convene a grand jury to hear evidence in the alleged criminal scheme by Trump to use fake electors to overturn the results of the 2020 election."

It then goes on to claim that "even after that grand jury was launched in January 2022, the FBI debated another 10 weeks before approving a memo formally opening that investigation, further delaying the gathering of evidence.  After much “hand wringing” by FBI Director Chris Wray’s leadership team, the memo named the Trump campaign, but not Trump, as a subject of the investigation, the book says."

This gives a completely false impression that the investigation was halted by internal debates between Chris Wray's FBI and DOJ about how to proceed, falsely giving the impression that the investigation had stalled. There couldn't be better proof than that ignorant assumption that people outside the investigation didn't know, don't know shit about what they're gaslighting and clickbaiting people about.

Here's the specious claim in this report:

“For months, investigators would have to wait to issue subpoenas or interview witnesses to gather new information,” the authors write, adding that Garland “had chosen to impose a very conservative interpretation of what DOJ officials called the 60-day rule,” urging prosecutors to avoid taking public investigative steps within two months of Election Day that involve candidates in that election.


Even assuming this is true, this report doesn't say what evidence or subpoena, or interview was delayed, or how consequential anything supposedly delayed was to the investigation or prosecution. How the fuck do you make a determination that this supposed delay affected ANYTHING without that detail? It's just fucking bullshit.

Look at the evidence in the indictment and tell us all how any of that was delayed by any of what these authors are gaslighting about. Do that or just admit you don't know shit about what was delayed or what it meant to the prosecution. Don't just fucking bullshit people to kick Garland around. Come correct with actual facts about what the state of prosecutable evidence was at the time.

...here are actual facts in evidence about what was occurring in the investigation since the Fall of 2021:



source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/politics/trump-investigation-thomas-windom.html

from December 2022:



source: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/

...so the financial investigation began in earnest in late 2021. Garland took his oath in March of that year.

He not only handled the Capitol riot prosecutions which resulted in over 1200 convictions, but ran the Trump probe at the same time (is he to blame for the pardons, as well?)

He was already getting cooperation from the riot leaders before he formally turned to the WH, and none of that happened on the spur of the moment.

We need to be real about the challenges for the incoming AG, and stop assuming he cared any less about these crimes than any of us. Almost ALL of the evidence Smith used in the indictments came from his boss's team, and his DOJ defended all of it in myriad, successive courts to make it available to use in grand juries and in courts.

Smith reportedly came onboard a 'fast moving investigation' and inherited over 20 Garland prosecutors who had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had when he took charge of his own investigation.




...you want to know what was happening in the investigation and prosecution? Ignore people who bash Garland along with the Trump regime. Find someone who bothers to provide you with at least as much information about the actual case as I have.

Point blank. You get what's advertised from these anti-Garland screeds. I mean, who is invested in providing more copy bashing the prosecutors, rather than providing actual information about the actual prosecution?

Orrex

(66,298 posts)
93. That's the cheerleaders' Gish gallop
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:19 PM
13 hrs ago

Swamp the discussion with a ton of cherry-picked articles, ignore any articles that contradict the chosen message, and claim to have proven the point when the opponent fails to address every word in every article that the cheerleaders dumped on them.

Queso Delicioso

(134 posts)
71. "Blew it" would imply a good faith effort
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:53 AM
13 hrs ago

The guy was always a Republican and it was a mistake to ever trust him.

bigtree

(93,116 posts)
82. he could have stopped the investigation at any point
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:08 PM
13 hrs ago

Before he appointed Jack Smith, Merrick Garland:

Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state


...so much for the 'Garland is a republican' lie.

Almost ALL of the evidence ultimately used in the indictment was obtained by Garland prosecutors, the bulk of whom moved to work under Smith, and successfully defended by them in myriad, sucessive court hearings packed with republican and Trump judges.

Calling Garland a republican is an argument that can only be accepted by people completely ignorant of the facts.

Queso Delicioso

(134 posts)
139. You forgot the last step
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 06:39 PM
6 hrs ago

Which is "did absolutely fuck all with it, sat on it, used it for jack shit, and waited out the term." He was only picked for SCOTUS because he was supposedly acceptable to them. He was a compromise pick for people who should never be compromised with. And boy howdy did he ever show us why.

lees1975

(6,804 posts)
73. This will go down in history as the biggest mistake a Democratic President ever made in appointing a cabinet member.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:55 AM
13 hrs ago

Garland was a dud. And the effort to "not look political" was a gigantic mistake. It is a very black mark against a President who was otherwise an excellent leader.

bucolic_frolic

(53,004 posts)
78. I don't know what Democrats didn't understand about insurrection
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:02 PM
13 hrs ago

None of them called it what it was. As if they were paralyzed. Pres. Biden thought normalcy would rebound. I don't think they wanted to admit they knew what was going on. It was too partisan, too laden with conspiracies. So now Trump will use the tools we didn't use against us.

Hotler

(13,561 posts)
83. They were scared of the orange convicts shadow. And many are still today.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:11 PM
13 hrs ago

Allowed themselves to be bullied. And not a teaspoon of gumption among them.

bigtree

(93,116 posts)
95. where were they supposed to be 'scared" of?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:21 PM
13 hrs ago

As WaPo journalist Carol Leoning reminded (when she wasn't selling her book implying Garland was too late to do anything), the documents case was mostly ready to go when Jack Smith came on the scene. She said Smith 'put a bow' on the case which she said been ready to go before he even came onboard. What Smith did with his time was broaden the investigation to other perps than just Trump.

Deadline White House @DeadlineWH
"I think it's important that we pause and remember what it means that an attorney had to turn over the actual words of his own client, and how much criminal liability lies here for Donald Trump" - @CarolLeonnig w/ @NicolleDWallace




Apparently, this is how a "gumption-less" Merrick Garland rolls. Take note.

Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:

Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state

Redleg

(6,708 posts)
101. Look- a game of "I told you so."
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:32 PM
12 hrs ago

Was I disappointed at the seemingly glacial pace of the investigations into Trump's wrongdoing? Yes, absolutely. I think they should have gone faster. What we are seeing here though is a case of hindsight bias and "I told you so" about this shit. Most of us probably had access to the same facts and information but simply arrived at different judgments about Garland's culpability. None of us, outside of those who work closely with Garland, really knew anything other than that which was publicly available. Why gloat over a lucky hunch? Even worse, why encourage the spreading of rumors that Garland must have been in the pay of Trump Inc.?

questionseverything

(11,393 posts)
122. When they found the truck load of secret, classified documents in his bathroom
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 02:20 PM
11 hrs ago

He should of been arrested for stealing them and locked up for suspected treason

Anyone else would of been locked up immediately…. If that had happened, he would not be president

Redleg

(6,708 posts)
123. You are probably correct.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 02:32 PM
10 hrs ago

They did give him deference because he was a former president. I don't agree with that but there it is. I think that Garland may have recognized the error of his thinking and thereby made Jack Smith the special counsel, a man known as a thorough but relatively speedy prosecutor. I could be wrong.

The Roux Comes First

(1,922 posts)
110. I'm Not a Garland Fan, But Other Than This Particular Appalling Slow-walk I Think His Record Is Pretty Unimpeachable
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:00 PM
12 hrs ago

And we know Felon #1 has a lifetime of experience in bullying, cheating, and lying his way out of all sorts of imbroglios. He's never been held accountable for anything of consequence in his whole life, to my knowledge, other than wrist-slaps for total F-ups like his "undervirsity."

So Garland has plenty of company.

bigtree

(93,116 posts)
112. Democrats had historic, multi-felony charges against their political opponent
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:04 PM
12 hrs ago

...AND ALL OUR OPPOSITION MANAGED TO DO THROUGHOUT WAS TO BASH THE PROSECUTION AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY, ALONG WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP.

They're still doing that inanity, as if it's some sort of political genius.

If the election had been won, Trump's trial, already in court with most of the evidence approved by the judge, including the revised indictment, would have proceeded to a conviction.

Supreme Court's maga majority is never mentioned in these screeds. I think it's because confronting them is hard and it's an easy lift to attack your own side. Always has been throughout political history.

But where's the actual virtue in this for critics who have NEVER bothered to explain ANY of the known details of the Garland/Smith investigation and prosecution. It's clear that doing so would complicate their 'Garland bad' narrative to the point of discrediting it, so I don't expect anything more than this gaslighting from them.

What I really can't wrap my head around is the trust throughout these screeds against Garland based on this incorrect and incomplete innuendo from this ONE reporter, Carol Leonnig, who can't be bothered to detail ANYTHING of consequence to Trump's prosecution that was supposedly delayed.

I'm still waiting for the breathless articles about what the Supreme Court did in ensuring the trial wouldn't be held before we voted. The unconcern about Trump's maga majority enablers isn't just weird, it's insidiously complicit in the focus being taken off of them, deliberately, I think, in many cases, to pile on Merrick Garland as if he was some private dick, instead of the administrator of the DOJ; as if he was gumshoeing instead of administrating.

The people who are really being denigrated here are the career prosecutors who worked harder than ANY CRITIC to hold Trump accountable; and no one has shown any proof they were hindered to the point of materially affecting the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.

That sophistry takes precedence over substance everytime this canard is raised, and no thinking adult should be influenced away from putting the blame on the Supreme Court and the other compliant courts who also delayed their hearings over the unprecedented flurry of appeals and challenges to EVERY Garland or Smith move.

Much easier to just say, 'Garland bad' or 'Garland late,' than to do the work of holding the Supreme Court's maga majority accountable.

GARLAND'S GONE AND THEY'RE FUCKING STILL THERE COVERING FOR HIM!

WAKE THE FUCK UP.

moondust

(21,112 posts)
115. One possible fault.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:20 PM
12 hrs ago

Merrick & Co. may have assumed that after his first term full of lies, incompetence, and malfeasance TSF could never be elected again by a halfway sane electorate. Such an assumption would have meant that there was no rush as they would have had plenty of time to complete the cases before the statute of limitations would run out. Of course you'd have to ask them about it.

markodochartaigh

(4,522 posts)
126. Without coming down on the pro or anti
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 03:50 PM
9 hrs ago

Garland side, I would just like to say that I'm glad to hear that people here still have passionate views on both sides, now that the question is academic.

For a while during President Biden's term I wondered if many of the people posting were trolls. It is good to find out that they are real people with real opinions even if the opinions differ from my own.

MineralMan

(150,062 posts)
135. What position of power does Garland hold now?
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 05:19 PM
8 hrs ago

None? He is irrelevant. Why don't we focus on what is happening now? That seems like a good idea.

Celerity

(52,783 posts)
147. "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905)
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:58 PM
3 hrs ago

BigmanPigman

(54,227 posts)
141. I just had to close my door, I was ranting about this so loudly
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:20 PM
6 hrs ago

I hold Comey and Garland directly responsible for allowing this shit show to continue after 2020.

If they go to jail I will smile, not cry.

THEY are the reason the US is becoming a fascist nation under tRump!!!!!

I also ranted about 2 VERY obnoxious DUers who for over 6 months bullied EVERYONE who disagreed with them into horrible examples of what bullies do. They should be in tRump's cabinet. They were made for it!

There would be 200 replies every time these two Garland lovers bashed anyone who did not kiss their asses. Finally they were suspended from DU permanently. Turns out they were acting in cahoots/tag team (what a surprise). Good riddance to DINOS!!!

seta1950

(961 posts)
143. Wrong choice!
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 07:52 PM
5 hrs ago

President Biden had so many good choices and yet , chose Garland, it’s like if you were a victim of a crime, when you get the opportunity to, have the criminal punished, you instead let him go , to harm you again,further down the road, who does that. It just feels like all any politician cares-about is reelection 😤

Bread and Circuses

(1,308 posts)
152. We all knew that in 2021 . Garland and Smith were too cautious....
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:15 PM
3 hrs ago

Meanwhile TACO Demolished the East Wing and Jackie Kennedy’s Rose Garden in 2 DAYS!

I’m not suggesting that the DOJ under a Biden should be RECKLESS. They needed 6- 9 months .
I’m sick of these people wasting time, money and destroying decomcracy.

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