I do not get it, I do not understand it, and why the press is not ripping the government a new one is beyond me

[Peacetrain]

Why in the world is our government bombing boats from Venezuela because of suspected drugs and now say and now he wants to invade Venezuela on land

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/28/donald-trump-military-land-sea-boats-venezuela-strikes/87510475007/

Meanwhile

Putin and Xi are supporting Venezuela??.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/venezuela-reveals-xi-and-putins-letters-to-maduro/ar-AA1R6YcF

And now

he is pardoning the ex president Hernandez of Honduras who was extradited to the United States for drug smuggling and violent gang recruitment then found guilty in an American court and sentenced to 45 years here

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-says-pardon-ex-honduras-234756645.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

GOBSMACKED

[Irish_Dem]

1. Media works for the Trump crime syndicate.

[Peacetrain]

2. Honestly I am really beginning to wonder ... this consoldation of media

to just a few ultra rich families.. disaster waiting to happen ..

[Dave says]

48. Disaster already happened, twice

[AZJonnie]

7. The ones who aren't owned are cowed by his lawsuits

It's serious fascist shit

[Peacetrain]

10. You are so right about that

[Traildogbob]

12. So right

Easy diagnosis. The government owns the media. That government is made up of the owners of said media.
Nobody that was elected (?) is the government.
Musk, Bozo, Zuck, Murdocks and all the known ones plus Kochs.
That is the government. Those suits that pretend to be are just a reality show.

[multigraincracker]

3. Always follow the money. It's always about money.

[Peacetrain]

4. Truth in that!!

[RockRaven]

5. Large corporations work hand in glove with fascist regimes.

"The press" in the US is overwhelmingly owned by/composed of large corporations.

[Peacetrain]

8. So many small outlets have folded because of take over by large conglomerate

media.

[Bluetus]

61. It is literally in the definition of fascist.

See point #6 https://voxpopulisphere.com/2017/08/23/lawrence-britt-14-characteristics-of-fascism/

And the "why"? Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world -- more than Saudi Arabia.

Notice that the fascists don't talk much about invading Greenland these days to steal their mineral resources. They got too much push-back from Europe. They figure Venezuela is an easier target. They are rushing to get this underway before the mid-terms.

[Kid Berwyn]

6. Who owns the press?

The same club which makes money off war — and oil (and drugs and money laundering).

[Peacetrain]

9. That is true in so many things, industries even restaurants

[twodogsbarking]

19. We are all in the stands watching the game. The "same club" that you mentioned is on the field

and they brought their own referees.

[sop]

11. Remember corporate media's breathless "reporting" during the run up to the second Iraq War?

They've always been cheerleaders for the spectacle of war; it drives viewership, and there's money to be made

[Peacetrain]

14. Yes a good reminder for us all..

[dickthegrouch]

58. Which always TRUMPS (pun intended) the lives to be lost /nt

[gulliver]

13. Preventing a Cuba clone?

It's possible you said it yourself by noting that China and Russia are meddling with Venezuela. We don't want to let our adversaries get a foothold there. The drug boats could be a pretext.

[lostnfound]

17. This is paving the way for adversaries to get a bigger foothold there.

The US is threatening, Venezuela will be drawn closer to ‘our adversaries’. Any pro-American thinkers in Venezuela will be weakened.

[gulliver]

34. It could go either way

I don't think we can afford to do nothing. I really don't know the full story in Venezuela. Currently, I'm under the impression that the previous leader, Chavez, tried to use "fool-bait" Communism, an absolutely obviously braindead approach to economics, guaranteed to fail the Venezuelans.

I'd much rather see Venezuela run under social democracy. Note: not democratic socialism but social democracy based on regulated capitalism. That's good for the United States and very, very good for the people of Venezuela, imo.

[Jack Valentino]

39. 'WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER'!

Particularly not a war initiated on false premises.

[Blues Heron]

54. Maybe we should leave it up to the people of Venezuela, stop "meddling" ourselves?

[gulliver]

56. Well, up to a point.

I don't think we should be saying, for example, that if the Venezuelan people were Trump-style demagogued into becoming a client state of China that we don't have the right to say something about it. We also shouldn't take the position that Venezuela's neighbors have nothing to say about. I.e., we leave it up to the people of the region, including us, not just the people of Venezuela.

Venezuela can do what they want, but we have a regional "HOA" they need to abide by. To not recognize this would be unjust and would disempower and commit a cruelty against the people of neighboring countries, including our own.

[Blues Heron]

57. getting into a land war in South America would be highly fucking stupid. HOA my ass.

[gulliver]

60. Agree, but I doubt that would happen

Best I can tell from online, Maduro is highly unpopular and even a dictator. Would Venezuelans (who apparently voted him out) fight against the United States for him? I doubt it.

He might end up with a fate similar to Noriega's, spending time in a U.S. prison. Capturing Noriega was an invasion of Panama by name, but the armed forces of Panama basically just folded. And that was before drones.

I really would like to see the Venezuelan people freed and prosper, but it's secondary to our own national interests to me. If the Venezuelans were to freely choose by democratic means to be client states of our adversaries, endangering U.S. citizens, it wouldn't matter to me. We have a democracy too, and we're "us." They're "them."

[Jack Valentino]

38. It's ALL about the fact that Maduro is a socialist. Drugs have NOTHING to do

with this, is just a pretext--- and Trump's accusation that they
have been shipping fentanyl to the U.S. when there is no documentation
that they even produce that drug in any quantity is proof of it!
(Meanwhile, so far as I know, no mention of cocaine has passed from Trump's lips---
what has gone up his nose, however, is a different question!)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/19/us/politics/trump-venezuela-fentanyl.html


Fentanyl from Venezuela, 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq---
we've seen this Republican cos-play before.... !

[FakeNoose]

49. Really? I thought it was about their oil reserves

But Maduro being a "socialist" would be irrelevant if Putin gets their oil. Most likely scenario is that Chump sets himself up to be a strawman so that helpless Venezuela becomes a defensive partner with Putin ... who goes in and raids their oil reserves.

[NCDem47]

15. Just wait until a Dem is back in WH

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the "media" will suddenly find a spine. Deep investigative pieces. Harrasing the President for minutiae and proof on anything and everything. Manufactured scandals. Claims the WH is stonewalling the press. Editorials of corruption, waste and how out-of-touch the President and his admin are.

Basically the Biden years all over again.

[miyazaki]

18. Lol, you got that right.

Need to turn the tables on the national media and expose their political hatchet work in very public ways, straight to their faces.

[demosincebirth]

36. Basically, the democrats aren't vindictive.

[lostnfound]

16. Putin's wedge politics and strategic advantage

bomb Venezuela to draw the US into a protracted bullsh** war to piss off all of South America
Or
Even without an all-out war, use threats and random boat bombing to antagonize much of South America

Thereby driving them further into Russia’s bear hug

[Beartracks]

20. Right? It's worse than if Trump brought a knife to a gunfight because...

... Trump doesn't even recognize he's in a fight. He thinks Putin is a straight up guy, even a friend. Trump is so being played.

================

[Gimpyknee]

21. I don't understand why they never come to the aide of a female colleague.

[Beartracks]

25. Hi, Gimpy. Did you respond to a different post than you thought you responded to?

[Gimpyknee]

27. Nope, I'm simply venting about another thing that pisses me off about today's press.

[Beartracks]

31. True that.

[KS Toronado]

22. How much is Hernandez paying for his pardon?

The standard million or did the grifter find out he had more stashed away?

[returnee]

47. Exactly!

I’m sure it was a huge payday for TSF. Occam’s razor, ya know? No other explanation comes close. The only other one I can think of is If Hernandez had dirt on TSF, but then he would just have him killed.

[BaronChocula]

23. America's greatest tradition

is giving conservative white men the white man's pass. People do it, as well as establishments like the press/media.

In America, when you're with the group in Picture A you get all the doubt, all the blame and none of the credit (even if you're a white male). When you're with the group in Picture B you get none of the doubt, none of the blame and all of the credit.



Picture A


Picture B

[H2O Man]

24. It is actually simple.

McDonalds serves para-burgers. Corporate media serves para-news. Thus, one has a choice of what food and media they consume. Yet some still fail to grasp that McDonalds does not serve lobster.

[lapfog_1]

26. The main stream media is now completely owned by Trump supporting Oligarchs.

you can forget WaPo, NYT, ABC, CBS, NBC...

it only a matter of time before they take Messnow off the air or "change the format"...

There will be few truth tellers left in the world. If Reform gets ahold of GB, you can forget the BBC too.

[RobinA]

28. Frankly,

I think "the media" just isn't all that well educated anymore. I've read some real head scratchers from reporters in mainstream newspapers.

[czarjak]

29. Passes4Pussygrabbers

[Cherokee100]

30. Braznov

Braznov is trying to eliminate the competition, for his buddies in Columbia.

[BWdem4life]

32. Iraq war? Helloooo...

[popsdenver]

33. Hey Peacetrain

most people I know don't understand that the U.S. Mass Media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party, with all most all of them owned/operated by Uber wealthy Republicans.....

They may as well be a Republican Party Criminal Syndicate called PRAVDA..............and everyone working for the Mass Media knows if they don't write/broadcast praise on Trump and his CABAL, and also tear down the Dems, they are gonna lose their jobs..............AND Trump is gonna come after them personally and despicably in his comments.....

[in2herbs]

35. Being a member of the Rome statute, why can't the ICC pursue charges against Hegseth for his latest "killl them all?"

The ICC would have authority because the assault was on a citizen/country it has jurisdiction over and the assault was conducted by a non-member country and citizen (USA.) Hegseth doesn't have immunity!

Even if all the ICC could do at this time was to issue a warrant against Hegseth, the warrant would prevent Hegseth from flying to other countries for fear of being arrested.

[Zackzzzz]

37. Am I off course here?

I belong to a fishing group and many in
the group DREAM AND DO go down
to Venezuela to fish for big game.

Other than that,
What is happening absolutely horrifies me.
I am sick at heart.

[H2O Man]

41. Of course not.

(recommended)

You are right on target. We are witnessing a cluster of cowardly punks viciously attacking defenseless ships, and preparing a military invasion in order to have a "national security crisis" to fully expand his powers. They are vampires in the most literal sense. And thus far, the cowardly maga in DC are afraid to even try to stop him.

As citizans, we have the responsibility to do our best to put the brakes on. People at the grass roots level have to communicate a "no way in hell" message, including to our elected representatives. We need to be exercising all of our Amendment 1 rights at this time.

[struggle4progress]

40. Because: "the ruling class sticks together"

[duckworth969]

42. Don't know about Honduras but..

Venezuela has the largest oil reserve on the planet; the Orinoco Belt, and significant amounts of rare minerals, specifically, Coltan.

[snot]

43. Every war the US has entered or supported in my lifetime has

(1) proved to be a disaster for the people we were supposedly trying to help, and

(2) proved most likely to have been about giving our oligarchs access to the resources in that people's country – oil, rare earth metals, etc.

US policy has no problem ignoring the plight of the oppressed if they either (a) live where there's nothing much to exploit, or (b) are oppressed by a government that allows our oligarchs to exploit their resources in exchange for a cut of the action.

You'll never hear the MSM question the grounds for a war that's in the interests of the oligarchs, because the oligarchs own the MSM. For truth, you'll have to tune into some new stations.

[TexasBushwhacker]

44. The same reason we attacked Iraq after 9/11

We want their oil.

[betsuni]

45. Because Republican. But if a Democrat sneezes...

[B.See]

46. Why? Cowardice, complicity or both

[GiqueCee]

50. Keep in mind...

... the irrefutable fact that Trump's primary motivation is greed. A close second is his insatiable craving for total control over the lives of others, more commonly referred to as "POWER".
Now add oil. Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, possibly the world. THAT'S why the Orange Hellbeast wants to invade Venezuela, and oil company executives grow faint at the delicious prospect of profits beyond imagining.

Next question...

[flashman13]

51. What do you guess Hernandez paid for his pardon?

[Walleye]

52. The first question any reporter should ask any member of this administration is "are you stupid, are you a stupid person

Just start out like that and let them flounder around

[W_HAMILTON]

53. Because most of our big media has been exposed as fascist friendly.

[spanone]

55. The cartel leaders can afford to buy a pardon...the fishermen cannot.

They are nothing but propaganda fodder.

[themaguffin]

59. it's not a tan suit