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highplainsdem

(60,795 posts)
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 07:56 PM 16 hrs ago

As Crash Deepens, Investors Say Bitcoin Is Headed for Zero Dollars

https://futurism.com/future-society/crash-bitcoin-headed-zero-dollars

Analysts aren’t presumably hopeful about an imminent recovery, with some expecting the absolute worst.

“Our BTC price target is 0.0,” Pivotus Partners chief market strategist and partner Richard Farr tweeted. “That’s not just for shock factor. It’s where the math takes us.”

Farr said he concurred with Michael Burry, who famously shorted the US housing market before its collapse in 2008, and recently warned in a Substack post that further losses for Bitcoin could result in a “death spiral.”

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Farr also criticized the token for being damaging to the environment, as mining it requires copious amounts of energy and water.

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As Crash Deepens, Investors Say Bitcoin Is Headed for Zero Dollars (Original Post) highplainsdem 16 hrs ago OP
"Farr also criticized the token for being damaging to the environment" YES YES YES!!!!!! AZJonnie 16 hrs ago #1
Most cryptocurrency does NOT use mining... WarGamer 15 hrs ago #4
You're correct, I'm mainly ranting about PoW schemes vs. newer PoS ones AZJonnie 14 hrs ago #16
I get you on crypto. The currency of choice for smugglers, traffickers and terrorists the world over. paleotn 14 hrs ago #18
Is Bitcoin getting shorted? OAITW r.2.0 15 hrs ago #2
I think blind greed backed it, no? NoSheep 14 hrs ago #20
Stupidity Aviation Pro 14 hrs ago #23
Like Any Financial Thingy modrepub 13 hrs ago #25
I'm no financial wizard. But OAITW r.2.0 13 hrs ago #28
My younger brother's BD was Oct. 6. OAITW r.2.0 12 hrs ago #29
I saw a similar article yesterday... Hugin 15 hrs ago #3
false. the largest holder of BTC holds 5.5% and hasn't been touched since 2010 WarGamer 15 hrs ago #5
I'm only repeating what the article said... Hugin 13 hrs ago #26
any source that claims 60% of BTC is owned by one entity can't be believed about anything WarGamer 12 hrs ago #37
It didn't say owned... Hugin 11 hrs ago #39
100% false. That's what i proved earlier. WarGamer 11 hrs ago #40
Trump's family got out a month ago. Captain Zero 15 hrs ago #6
When we go to hard lee come about in dominant SE winds.... OAITW r.2.0 12 hrs ago #31
*pretends to be surprised* sakabatou 15 hrs ago #7
A friend has 3 bitcoin at an average price of $1500. CrispyQ 15 hrs ago #8
She should have sold @$90K. ColoringFool 15 hrs ago #9
I knew a "libertarian"-type dude (who was never a Trump supporter) cojoel 15 hrs ago #10
The thing I remember reading about *rump bankrupting casinos was that he made millions on them personally Uncle Joe 15 hrs ago #11
Oh bronxiteforever 15 hrs ago #12
I've never understood why something communally owned (prime numbers) dickthegrouch 15 hrs ago #13
Zero seems like fair value. surfered 14 hrs ago #14
It's gambling. Nothing behind it at all. Joinfortmill 14 hrs ago #15
"Bad Money Drives Out Good." BurnDoubt 14 hrs ago #17
Mining it requires copious amounts of energy and water. ToxMarz 14 hrs ago #19
Now you can buy Boardwalk OR Park Place, but not both. Orrex 14 hrs ago #21
It was always a ponzi scheme built on theoretical sand. Ford_Prefect 14 hrs ago #22
Tulips cate94 13 hrs ago #24
Full disclosure Gore1FL 13 hrs ago #27
There are a lot of artificial inputs into the Cyrptoverse. OAITW r.2.0 12 hrs ago #34
I agree. Gore1FL 12 hrs ago #35
That's a feature! OAITW r.2.0 12 hrs ago #36
Crypto... A volatile, unstable, wishful 'currency' with no assets or gov't support backing it. Norrrm 12 hrs ago #30
It's always interesting the folks who are into crypto. BannonsLiver 12 hrs ago #33
Will be buying XRP here and masmdu 12 hrs ago #32
I'm hoping for a 1929-1933 redux. roamer65 12 hrs ago #38
It does the same thing every 3-4 years awesomerwb1 11 hrs ago #41
It's up about 5% since Richard Farr's pronouncement. LudwigPastorius 11 hrs ago #42
Bitcoin is 2 years older than the iphone. Old Crank 6 hrs ago #43
There certainly are jmowreader 5 hrs ago #44

AZJonnie

(3,208 posts)
1. "Farr also criticized the token for being damaging to the environment" YES YES YES!!!!!!
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 08:01 PM
16 hrs ago

As bad as AI is in this regard, at least it does SOMETHING.

Crypto is the stupidest waste of valuable energy resources ever invented (even worse that auto racing).

Crypto is literally saying "this thing has value because it represents the completely unproductive and copious waste of resources that could've been used to actually create something useful".

Crypto is fucking stupid and needs to die

AZJonnie

(3,208 posts)
16. You're correct, I'm mainly ranting about PoW schemes vs. newer PoS ones
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 09:20 PM
14 hrs ago

And crypto does have some utility in terms of payment facilitation and it can be cheaper than alternatives, including in terms of natural resource usage. I'm sure there's some other ways it's not so bad

PoW crypto is what annoys me by far the most. I should've been more clear

In my defense, the topic at hand is bitcoin, so ......

paleotn

(21,823 posts)
18. I get you on crypto. The currency of choice for smugglers, traffickers and terrorists the world over.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 09:39 PM
14 hrs ago

But AI isn't doing much other than writing uninspired term papers, buggy code, and crappy porn.

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
2. Is Bitcoin getting shorted?
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 08:13 PM
15 hrs ago

Seems like this was a scam opportunity from the get go. I mean, what assets backed this currency? Blind faith?

modrepub

(4,018 posts)
25. Like Any Financial Thingy
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 10:36 PM
13 hrs ago

You can probably leverage it with a derivative (as long as you can find someone who accepts your counter).

A lot of folks deplore derivatives. If used too much they can cause a lot of volatility. Margin calls on things like these have probably cause a lot of market volatility this week.

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
28. I'm no financial wizard. But
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 10:52 PM
13 hrs ago

I always thought playing in derivatives was a tool to reduce the friction of market changes.

Hugin

(37,613 posts)
3. I saw a similar article yesterday...
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 08:15 PM
15 hrs ago

“Zero Hold” It said. Basically, don’t have any is what it means.

They said that they were basing their recommendation on, you know, metrics. Saying that crapto is in no way a hedge on the dollar. It has no intrinsic value. Mainly a rehash of what DU’ers have been goin on about FOREVER.

There was one tidbit about the Bitcoin specifically that I wasn’t aware of and that is about 66% of Bitcoin is controlled by ONE ENTITY. (One person.)

WarGamer

(18,319 posts)
5. false. the largest holder of BTC holds 5.5% and hasn't been touched since 2010
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 08:31 PM
15 hrs ago

Coinbase holds 4%

The US Gov't holds less than 2%

WarGamer

(18,319 posts)
40. 100% false. That's what i proved earlier.
Sat Feb 7, 2026, 12:11 AM
11 hrs ago

BTC is controlled by the people who own the pass codes to the wallets...

Maybe they meant 60% of BTC is controlled by humans with blonde, brown or black hair?

Captain Zero

(8,807 posts)
6. Trump's family got out a month ago.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 08:36 PM
15 hrs ago

Just my hunch.

What do you bet they are already cashed it?
They probably started the run, truth be known.

Another one of his sadistic highs, for sure.

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
31. When we go to hard lee come about in dominant SE winds....
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 11:23 PM
12 hrs ago

It drives you closer to shore. Drop sails and anchor before you really fuck up.

cojoel

(1,022 posts)
10. I knew a "libertarian"-type dude (who was never a Trump supporter)
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 08:59 PM
15 hrs ago

But when bitcoin was becoming a "thing" a decade ago he was very excited about it. In particular he felt there was a finite amount of it based on the bitcoin design, and that would be stable, somehow. For some reason he asked my thoughts about it.

I said "it is kind of like a fiat currency that is not backed by the full faith and credit of any government in the world". This was not the answer he was hoping for, hahaha.

Uncle Joe

(64,543 posts)
11. The thing I remember reading about *rump bankrupting casinos was that he made millions on them personally
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 09:00 PM
15 hrs ago

It was his financial backers that took the hit.

Thanks for the thread highplainsdem

dickthegrouch

(4,392 posts)
13. I've never understood why something communally owned (prime numbers)
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 09:08 PM
15 hrs ago

could ever be considered secure.
Anyone can re-create a prime number given enough time, or processing power.
Bit coin and block chain were always destined for disaster in my opinion.

BurnDoubt

(1,579 posts)
17. "Bad Money Drives Out Good."
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 09:31 PM
14 hrs ago

I always thought it was a scam.
It certainly seems like a swell way to launder money, or offer bribery.

ToxMarz

(2,798 posts)
19. Mining it requires copious amounts of energy and water.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 09:41 PM
14 hrs ago

So does AI and humans, I wonder if they are all competing for the same limited resources.

Ford_Prefect

(8,544 posts)
22. It was always a ponzi scheme built on theoretical sand.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 10:00 PM
14 hrs ago

The speculation applied to crypto mirrored the worst anticipation of untold riches applied to the early days of the internet.
Except...Crypto was always going to flop since it had no valuation at all in and of itself. The only cash involved came from those fooled into paying coin of the realm for vaporware.
People have forgotten that it was formulated as a method to avoid national banking and tax authorities, and it has been used as such by drug dealers and terrorists.

Gore1FL

(22,895 posts)
27. Full disclosure
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 10:51 PM
13 hrs ago

For giggles I invested about $1000 into a bitcoin fund once and ultimately made about 20%. During the brief time I had it, Elon Musk said about 6-7 stupid things that flung the price around, mostly down. I sold when it climbed again and pretty much said "never again."

I guess had I kept it for a longer term I'd have made a bit of money, but I really don't like investing it make-believe. Bitcoin isn't different than the NFT idiocy except that it ate energy and didn't come with a picture or whatever.

I look forward to the nonsense ending. “Our BTC price target is 0.0.” What a lovely phrase.

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
34. There are a lot of artificial inputs into the Cyrptoverse.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 11:34 PM
12 hrs ago

You've traded real money for a system you do not understand.

Norrrm

(4,378 posts)
30. Crypto... A volatile, unstable, wishful 'currency' with no assets or gov't support backing it.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 11:22 PM
12 hrs ago

A volatile, unstable, wishful 'currency' with no assets or gov't support backing it.

The big money return in crypto is:::
1. Starting it, hyping it, selling it, and getting out, leaving the
suckers holding the bag.
2. Handling/storing it for others.
...a. Not your own money/crypto. Someone else's money/crypto.
...b. Lots of fraud/money manipulation/theft/lack of regulation.
3. Backed by trust/faith/great promises/optimism... but no
real assets.
4. It can literally disappear and good luck with lawsuits.
------------------
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A few have profited by 'investing' but not the majority.

Bitcoin is one of the very, very few that has made profit.
And that is only because enough people WANT to believe in it.
Even bitcoin has no real assets backing it.

BC is used as a fantastic example of crypto but it is a lucky outlier.

Hundreds of others have flopped.
Should the US Gov't invest in/purchase massive amounts of crypto with taxpayer 'real' money?
Every legislator approving this should be made to invest half their family's life savings in the very same crypto to show their confidence in it.

BTW... You're buying it with your 'real' money.
Will they let you buy it with your other old broken crypto?

BannonsLiver

(20,316 posts)
33. It's always interesting the folks who are into crypto.
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 11:29 PM
12 hrs ago

Creepy weirdo dead inside types. Guys who tan their nutsacks because they think it boosts testosterone.

masmdu

(2,642 posts)
32. Will be buying XRP here and
Fri Feb 6, 2026, 11:28 PM
12 hrs ago

Last edited Sat Feb 7, 2026, 12:22 AM - Edit history (1)

Periodically over the next 3 weeks to as low as .77 (currently 1.45). Last chance before likely passage of Clarity act. Tokenization of Real World Assets (RWA) is THE crypto use case.

awesomerwb1

(5,037 posts)
41. It does the same thing every 3-4 years
Sat Feb 7, 2026, 12:23 AM
11 hrs ago

All time high > huge correction/ big dip/crash whatever you want to call it > trades sideways for a year or two > goes up to an all time high again. Repeat.



LudwigPastorius

(14,377 posts)
42. It's up about 5% since Richard Farr's pronouncement.
Sat Feb 7, 2026, 12:53 AM
11 hrs ago

I agree that Bitcoin is primarily speculative, but there are tons of other investment types without underlying value or income generation. As long as there is someone who wants to take a chance on making money, it will persist.

Personally, if I were to invest in Crypto, it would be in tokens and blockchains that have utility, or potential utility. (Ethereum, Ripple, SOL, etc.) not Bitcoin.

Old Crank

(6,767 posts)
43. Bitcoin is 2 years older than the iphone.
Sat Feb 7, 2026, 05:12 AM
6 hrs ago

As Krugman has pointed out.
We know what happened with the iPhone.
Are there any real uses for bitcoin other than speculation or money laundering?

jmowreader

(52,994 posts)
44. There certainly are
Sat Feb 7, 2026, 06:50 AM
5 hrs ago

You can...

Buy drugs with it.
Pay your ransom when some asshole's malware encrypts your hard drive with it.
Hire a hitman with it.
Buy illegal weapons like machine guns and high explosives with it.

The problem with using it for anything legitimate is the price per bitcoin...it's like "one gallon of milk, 2/100,000 of one BTC."

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