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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJack White sums it up brilliantly
?xmt=--=1Wednesdays
(21,914 posts)Even if not, it's still an excellent message.
Rec.
Happy Hoosier
(9,446 posts)bif
(26,781 posts)Response to spooky3 (Original post)
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LetMyPeopleVote
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MineralMan
(150,879 posts)Then, we'd need a new one, and who is going to create that?
What would happen would be a new Civil War.
Anyone who thinks that would be a good idea needs a head examination.
I'm sorry, but simplistic answers simply do not work.
Try again.
live love laugh
(16,260 posts)MineralMan
(150,879 posts)paleotn
(21,834 posts)You happy with the Electoral College? The fact that my state, VT, with less than 25% the population of freaking Brooklyn has the same power in the Senate as all of New York? The fact that the right to vote isn't inscribed, but up to your local legislature?
It wasn't a problem years ago as rational heads rarely exploit the flaws since doing so would be considered dishonorable and morally wrong. That's the "guard rails." If anything, this regime has shown that unwritten "guard rails" are an inevitable path to failure. We need walls inscribed in the document, not flimsy precedent. That takes a rewrite. You can either learn from past unpleasantness and fix it, or not and you can just keep reliving it over and over again. I'd rather not relive this abomination.
paleotn
(21,834 posts)In my mind, it may be time for that. As we've seen the last 20 years, the document has some serious flaws.
MineralMan
(150,879 posts)that meets your expectations. Who is in charge of the convention? How is it assembled?
See, it's not really all that simple, and it could easily turn out to be the best armed run the show. In fact, that would be very likely, I believe.
It's a big country with a broad mix of political ideas. I wouldn't count on such a convention to produce anything in particular.
First, you have to have some rules, but who makes those rules?
paleotn
(21,834 posts)There are means and methods. And perhaps the country is too big and the politics too broad to bridge. Personally, we shook off the dust of red America years ago and left them to the devils that possess them. Today, where I grew up feels like a foreign country. Honestly, I wouldn't mind all that much if we made it a foreign country. That's Putin's dream to balkanize America like the former Soviet Union, but these divisions predate him. Some might say they didn't go away after 1865. They just simmered for a century and a half.
Unless some means can be found to bridge this political divide and fix these constitutional flaws, I don't see any other way forward. We'll just continue to hobble along under a system that doesn't work anymore. From one sane administration to another lunatic and then back again. Maybe. If we're lucky. That's no way to run a country.
Cirsium
(3,672 posts)I agree that reckless calls to burn it all down are dangerous. But its also dangerous to treat any use of constitutional accountability as equivalent to dismantling the Constitution itself. If lawful mechanisms cant even be discussed without invoking collapse, thats a problem in its own right.
I dont agree that whats being called for would require canceling the Constitution. Impeachment, indictment, prosecution, and even the 25th Amendment are all constitutional mechanisms. Using them may be contentious or politically difficult, but thats not the same thing as tearing up the system. Theres a big difference between enforcing existing guardrails and abolishing them.
ShazzieB
(22,336 posts)It is easier to read, but still not very easy, due to the lack of paragraph breaks. I really appreciate the effort, though! #walloftext
Cirsium
(3,672 posts)See below for text version with paragraph breaks.
malaise
(294,168 posts)Rec. Rec. Rec
live love laugh
(16,260 posts)like this in the future please try posting more than just the link.
spooky3
(38,389 posts)BaronChocula
(4,188 posts)I just clicked on the link.
Cirsium
(3,672 posts)I posted a text version below.
JoseBalow
(9,283 posts)I wish something would be done soon to save us all from this abhorrent lunatic.
Cirsium
(3,672 posts)This post would basically get anyone, at any job fired immediately...except for arguably the most important position in the world. That's right, trump is a racist, a rapist, a felon, a grifter (currently ordering the US govt. to pay him 10 billion dollars simply because no one will stop him.) and a full on dementia sufferer, and yet he has the power to send in gestapo ICE soldiers to kill our citizens, and so much more dangerously, has the nuclear codes and the ability to end humanity at any moment based on an egotistical whim.
How is it possible we've given this evil man so much power? The two party system, the electoral college, the responsibility that the internet has brought to humanity and its direct conflict with truth, and America's obsession with celebrity, are all to blame, but the fact that we aren't stopping it is...insanity. Arrest this man. Impeach this man. 25th amendment this man. Indict this man. Jail this man. This longtime friend of pedophile epstein, who appears 40 thousand times in the files. This demolisher of the White House, demolisher of the Constitution, demolisher of the Bill of Rights, this demolisher of America full stop.
It's hard to believe the government does almost nothing about this lunacy and we just all have to sit back and watch as a people. And when he's finally gone? we had better put into place new laws and regulations that don't allow anyone to find dangerous loopholes based solely on the assumption that our President has some sort of dignity and decency.
Abolish these loopholes, abolish the electoral college, and if we had any sense we would abolish the two party system (that George Washington advised us never to have) that got us here in the first place and has failed not only Americans, but everyone else in the world who is currently suffering from our policies and suffering from the whims of this sick, deranged man who I will state again, has his tiny, bruised fingers on the nuclear launch button.
