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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCaught a clip of Tillis on Taper on CNN. He is still seething about the murder o the poor puppy
He still wasnt done. He brought up that he recently read Noems 2024 book, No Going Back, and was disturbed by a passage about how she shot and killed her 14-month-old dog, Cricket. Noem describes Cricket in the book as untrainable and less than worthless after it ruined a hunting trip by attacking a neighbors chickens.
I train dogs, alright? the North Carolina senator yelled at Noem. You are a farmer. You should know better. You should know that if youre going out to a hunting lodge and youre puttin pheasants out and youre puttin dogs out, you dont take a puppy out there!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/thom-tillis-torches-kristi-noem-200337007.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
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The current White House occupant, not having a pet, could not care less.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(13,832 posts)UpInArms
(54,705 posts)and killed him because he was a stinky Billy goat
Told her in no uncertain terms that it was her failure, not the animals
MustLoveBeagles
(15,738 posts)When he's right, he's right.
Skittles
(170,924 posts)even the vile Jeanine Pirro asked, "Don't they have any dog trainers in that state?"
pat_k
(13,074 posts)Emphasis mine
But if youll hear me out, I want to tell you why Crickets fate is the wrong place to focus your attention.
If you really want to understand Kristi Noem, you need to consider the goat.
I spotted our billy goat
After Noem made the death march to her farms gravel pit, where she shot Cricket, she was apparently still in an uncontrollable rage.
Walking back up to the yard, I spotted our billy goat, Noem wrote.
The nameless goats only sin in that moment was being in Noems field of view.
In the book, Noem tried to justify her snap decision to kill the goat by writing that it loved to chase her children and would knock them down and butt them, leaving them terrified. The animal also had a wretched smell.
But apparently none of that had been a big enough problem to do anything about it. Not until Noem got angry enough to kill a dog and decided she needed to kill again.
Noem says she dragged the goat to the gravel pit, tied him to a post, and shot at him. But the goat jumped when she shot.
My shot was off and I needed one more shell to finish the job, she wrote.
She studiously avoided saying she wounded the goat with the first shot, but thats the implication.
Not wanting him to suffer, she added apparently experiencing her first twinge of feeling, after saying that killing the dog was not pleasant I hustled back across the pasture to the pickup, grabbed another shell, hurried back to the gravel pit, and put him down.
The goat story not only reflects a disturbing lack of self-control, but also raises a question of law.
The crime of animal cruelty
Noem has defended her shooting of the dog, citing legal justification for her actions. Shes likely referencing a state law that exempts from the definition of animal cruelty any reasonable action taken by a person for the destruction or control of an animal known to be dangerous, a threat, or injurious to life, limb, or property.
Cricket killed a neighbors chickens and whipped around to bite Noem when she intervened; therefore, by Noems logic, her killing of Cricket was legally defensible. Shes probably right, legally speaking.
But what about the goat?
Sure, it chased children, butted them, and smelled bad. So, a goat, Stephen Colbert deadpanned during his Monday monologue on The Late Show, speaking for everybody whos ever been around goats. If those traits meet the legal definition of dangerous, a threat, or injurious to life, limb, or property, killing any goat would always be legally justified.
In reality, what Noem did to the goat dragging it to a gravel pit, tying it to a post, shooting at it once, leaving to get another shell, and shooting it again sounds an awful lot like the legal definition of animal cruelty. That definition in South Dakota law is to intentionally, willfully, and maliciously inflict gross physical abuse on an animal that causes prolonged pain, that causes serious physical injury, or that results in the death of the animal.
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(51,994 posts)struggle4progress
(125,954 posts)The puppy tale was a flashing red light at the time but we've since seen her predictable escalations -- posing as a dominatrix at CECOT, lying about Americans shot in the face or in the back, ignoring recent reports of criminal negligence leading to the death of Nurul Amin Shah Alam in Buffalo NY or Emmanuel Damas in Florence AZ
Noem published her doggy story almost two years ago, and it got publicity at the time. That didn't keep Tillis from voting to confirm her
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(51,994 posts)The fact that you cant admit to a mistake which looks like, under investigation, is gonna prove that Ms. Good and Mr. Pretti probably should not have been shot in the face and in the back! Tillis shouted. Law enforcement needs to learn from that! You dont protect them by not looking out for the facts!
stopdiggin
(15,312 posts)- or perhaps, in this case, doesn't particularly care. (veracity and a regard for real fact not being among major concerns in a good deal GOP engagement ... )
(and - even though excoriating Noem stands as high entertainment)
But bringing a 14 month old dog on a 'hunt' is not at all uncommon practice. Just isn't. Now, what kind of 'conditioning' or training this animal had prior to this first outing - obviously bears heavily on this - and equally obviously, I have no way of addressing. And - regardless of which - none of this stands to make Noem any kind of 'owner' or dog person ... But, just on the face of it - at least regarding dogs and hunting - Tillis talking out of his butt ... (again)
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