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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToday's NBC News poll.
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Independent's view of the two major parties:
Democrats 13% favorable
Republicans 16% favorable
According to Gallup's latest poll independents make up 45% of the electorate. The party that can convince these voters that they are going to make a positive difference in their lives, can become the dominant party. Democrats need to expand their appeal beyond the base.
In Texas, Talarico won the Democratic primary because he appealed these voters. He didn't make it all about the Republicans; he made it about them.
Somehow in recent decades the Democratic Party became less about winning elections and making a difference in people's lives, to more about just belonging, causing the problem of not relating to the rest of society.
NoRethugFriends
(3,736 posts)displacedvermoter
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Don't really like either party, and can't tell the difference, and so again we have to wait until the very last second to determine which ad campaign is the most effective come November?
And we will still have the same assortment of dumb ass Independent and Undecided voters on panels telling us they don't know enough about the candidates to be able to discern between a fascist and a progressive.
God I hate Sunday talk shows and the drivel they put forth
PatSeg
(53,139 posts)I quit watching the Sunday talk shows years ago.
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)as a colleague describes them
PatSeg
(53,139 posts)PatSeg
(53,139 posts)hatrack
(64,732 posts)Q2. Another obvious, open-ended question.
A2. Regime talking point, but expanded with additional drippy, useless verbiage.
Q3. Softball question, i.e. "How does the president feel about X?"
A3. Regime talking point, shot through with folksy bullshit/emotional bullshit/lying bullshit.
Q4. Invitation to lie and repeat regime talking points at greater length.
A4. Expanded talking point repetition, but with personal attacks on (1) opposition politicians (2) ethnic or national minorities (3) voters who did not support Trump.
"Well, I'm afraid we're out of time!"
mdbl
(8,564 posts)It always seems to work on certain groups so they repeat it every election cycle.
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)Not to mention our own batch of political consultants, rehashing ideas that worked for Clinton and Obama. Not working so well now.
Walleye
(44,553 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(22,838 posts)DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)1) taking the bait on social issues that are rare and set to basically bait them
2) quit putting losing agendas (yes, Im talking guns) At the front of the platform and
3) focus on economic and social JUSTICE issues - they would win
We ALWAYS take the bait. ALWAYS
Fiendish Thingy
(22,901 posts)The data I have seen, including Pew Research surveys with sample sizes in the tens of thousands, show that the majority of moderates (and actually all Americans) support progressive policies when they arent identified with a particular party.
This includes sensible gun control laws, as well MFA, reproductive rights, LGBT rights, raising the minimum wage and raising taxes in billionaires.
The only consistent exceptions are the narrow wedge issue of trans teens in sports and immigration, although opinions on the latter have changed significantly over the past year.
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)but I understand what you are saying.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)Americans like guns. I own guns. I believe in sensible gun laws. We are promoting some fairly extreme gun laws. Colorado passed a law that will make my Browning Auto Five illegal. Thats bad. Really bad. Its going to hurt the Dems in the next election. Its a losing battle.
Unisex bathrooms = losing battle. Leave it alone. Its a minor issue. Worry about it after we get some economic reforms.
We know its a snake and we always pick it up.
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)Sorry the bathroom thing is so hurtful to you.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)That makes us lose. The condescending snide remarks. My Brownong Auto Five has been around for 75 years. Along with the Remmington 1100 they are probably only second to the Remmington 870 as iconic shotguns. How many pheasants have been taken with them? Countless.
This is the shit that makes us lose.
Omnipresent
(7,411 posts)Before the 2024 election, i kept hearing people online and in person expressing themselves about not wanting men in womens sports.
That turned out to be a wedge issue that helped drive voters to the polls
to vote for republicans.
The party did nothing to dispel this talk. All that was said is Kamala has momentum.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)That probably needs to be addressed on a 1 on 1 situation. Each case is unique. Each case deserves its own scrutiny. Thats all that has to be said Its complicated and each case should be examined and evaluated on its own merit.
As for Kamala, California Democrats arent winning Nationwide elections. Its not going to happen
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)And besides, I thought it was just determined that Harris lost because she was pro-genocide, unlike her opponent who was opposed to war in general.
And her sex and race likely had nothing to do with, either, I think you are saying.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)Being from California was the #1 issue. Not race or gender.
As for my gun, yes. I live in an area where we have less than 2 people per square mile - its still classified as the frontier.
Im sorry that you dont take the Bill of Rights seriously and are willing to give up your rights. The Supreme Court ruled (and I believe correctly) the Second Amendment is an individual right, because the first ten kind of are geared to that paradigm.
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)And as a former USAF security policeman am extremely proficient with it, and I take the entire Constitution to be a sacred document I swore to uphold.
And as Charles Pierce says regularly, of course it was not about race, it's never about race.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)Because I have no use for it. I DO however own a .338 RUM that shoot a 250 grain bullet at 2900 fps. When you live where the bears are as big as 4H steers - size matters.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,838 posts)distruction.
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)protect us from unconstitutional infringements, right? Don't see a lot of serious 2nd Amendment enthusiasts up in arms -- pun intended -- as we see all manner of criminal and extra legal activity being carried out by our government, in the same fashion we saw them screaming when Obama was going to take away their rights, which he never planned to do. Why is that, do you think?
Not about race, though, it is never about race
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)You are trying to convey. That was not coherent. Care to actually string a few cogent sentences with actual context together?
displacedvermoter
(4,250 posts)To keep their guns to protect us from the government, but it seems to be the case only when they are afraid of black leaders and women they are not inclined to trust. I believe most gun humpers are racist cowards who don't seem as concerned with Trump and ICE fucking with society.
Plain enough, coherent, clear?
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)Im not an NRA member. Im just a guy who resents dumb gun laws that outlaw a gun that has been carried afield by 2.7 million pheasant and quail hunters because dumb asses make sweeping legislation that appears to be poorly written but just MIGHT have a hidden agenda. These are the same geniuses who want to reserve the BLM land for bison (that they will never go see anyway) while we are paying $7/lb for hamburger.
LuvLoogie
(8,772 posts)Walleye
(44,553 posts)Democrats support the whole constitution were not like cafeteria Catholics
The Wizard
(13,688 posts)I see them everywhere with no issues.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)However, there is also nothing wrong with separate men and womens, especially consider urinals speed up things for men, thus allowing smaller bathrooms with fewer stalls.
It doesnt need to be politicized. Honestly, it just needs to be let go.
NoRethugFriends
(3,736 posts)You know, most men pee at urinals facing the urinal.
So unisex with urinals is fine.
Oh, and I don't give a damn about your high-powered guns. Are they part of a militia, as in the Bill of rights?
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)Supreme Court has ruled its an INDIVIDUAL right, as are all the Amendments in the Bill of Rights. They say what the GOVERNMENT CANNOT do to you.
I have no idea what facing the wall has to do with unisex bathrooms. Are you okay?
NoRethugFriends
(3,736 posts)In case you can't figure it out, if the guy is facing the urinal any woman who comes into the restroom will not see anything but the back of the guy. I'm sure she would faint if she saw the front though.
You are transparent.
jimmy the one
(2,794 posts)You: Americans like guns. I own guns.
I reject this premise. Only 32% of Americans personally own a gun, so the solid majority do not.
About 40 to 44% American households have a gun, ergo over 55% of households do not, a Supreme Court majority at 5 to 4.
In other words, most Americans do NOT like firearms. To me they have become more a threat than a safety measure, more the problem than the solution.
I used to own a s&w 5 shot pump 12 gauge but never hunted. Also a ruger 22 cal short rifle semiauto. Got rid of them after I left the navy, where I was a marksman, and became appalled at the gun lobby. The ruger I only ever shot into soft ground once a year to ensure it still worked. Some skeet with the sg. Will never own a gun again.
You contend Colorado passed a law to make your browning shotgun (I presume) illegal.
This is not what this website says .. the bill does not ban the current possession of these firearms.
.. the bill does not ban the possession of these semi-automatic firearms. Current owners would be allowed to keep their rifles, pistols, and shotguns... (but could not purchase new, transfer or sell..)
https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/what-hunters-should-know-about-colorados-first-in-the-nation-gun-ban
I sort of agree (I thinks) on one issue, that of banning assault rifles/weapons. The horse are out of the barn. In 2004 when the clinton assault rifle ban was not renewed by republicans under gwbush, there were approx 400,000 assault rifles in America. Today 20 years later there are estimated 10 to 20 millions. The horse are out of the barn; a new awb would be a cosmetic fix but do little towards blunting mass shootings or carnage from the ar15 and those two NATO rounds, .223.
A 10 round magazine limit I would go with, but regrettably, let any federal assault weapon ban be abandoned. Would help appease pro gun democrats, such as yourself.
I agree with banning trans athletes achieving fame, wolves in sheeps clothing.
Cheers Denali.
--- Not an ego, jimmy the one is a British naval term-----
DenaliDemocrat
(1,765 posts)I never said it outlawed the possession of my Auto 5. It makes it ILLEGAL to sell or buy - and its stupid.
I support 1) universal background checks
I support 2) mental health checks for purchases
I dont support dummies who try to outlaw a shotgun that has been carried afield by over 2.7 million hunters.
jimmy the one
(2,794 posts)Yes you did: Colorado passed a law which would make my Browning Auto 5 illegal.
That your remark is ambiguous and subject to different interpretations is beside the point, since one interpretation implies that mere possession of the gun is illegal.
You as author have final say, within reason, as to your intent. I fully understood you meant future purchases and reselling and I noted this in my reply: ... 'but could not purchase new, transfer or sell.'
You: It makes it illegal to sell or buy.
You neglect to mention that your gun, and the others subjected to the ban, can evidently be purchased legally by passing a background check and then obtaining an eligibility check from your sheriff, and then taking a 4 hour or 12 hour firearms safety course.
From my link: 'Upon completion of these courses, the applicant will then be permitted to purchase the banned firearms in question.'
So you must indeed jump thru some hoops to legally buy one, but it is not a total ban.
It appears the ban rationale has to do with add on caveats such as detachable magazines and using center fire ammo. Dunno if shotguns use centerfire or rim fire, I think maybe both, one or the other depending on the gun. My s&w 12 gauge did not have a detachable magazine.
I also believe the 2nd amendment pertained to a well regulated militia, and the current individual rights interpretation is a subversion of the bill of rights, enabled by far right wing republicans.
thucythucy
(9,083 posts)whenever we were out in the world.
As do hundreds of thousands of other mixed--disabled and non-disabled--couples.
In fact, most accessible bathrooms are in fact "unisex." Otherwise the cost of providing ADA compliant access to public toilets would double, and then you'd hear people grousing about the "expense" of access.
I would argue that throwing the disability community under the bus is neither moral nor politically astute.
Cosmocat
(15,399 posts)That Ds always lose on "culture" issues and need to gtfo out of them.
Personally, I believe they were right to push for firearm control, but agree that we are now well past the point that its a hopeless cause and they should publicly take it off the table.
Polybius
(21,805 posts)I don't know why we take that stupid position. I'm not talking 70 mph or anything like that. I'm talking lowering the NYC speed limit to 20 mph.
exboyfil
(18,356 posts)1. No response or a response not widely disseminated allows the narrative to be set.
2. Agree with you on guns.
3. Define social justice. We are currently seeing the response to the blanket statement that there is no reverse discrimination. Any action that is race based is going to be a loser for quite some time.
Raven123
(7,757 posts)dem4decades
(13,969 posts)Scrivener7
(59,332 posts)usonian
(24,761 posts)I happen to know someone (ahem) who registered as independent for years just to have way more leverage in these "polls" than Democrats or Republicans.
SamuelTheThird
(953 posts)kacekwl
(9,095 posts)Independent voter. My opinion.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Somehow in recent decades the Democratic Party became less about winning elections and making a difference in people's lives, to more about just belonging, causing the problem of not relating to the rest of society.
Keepthesoulalive
(2,238 posts)The democrats tried to get a healthcare bill passed and the public said socialism and they are gonna kill grandma. Single issue voters and voters that are easily swayed by bull crap.
31st Street Bridge
(182 posts)They'll vote against things that help them just to own the libs.
Keepthesoulalive
(2,238 posts)everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Keepthesoulalive
(2,238 posts)He only sees the color of my skin and proceeds to follow me me. Money will not make everyone equal, just ask the people from South America.
Takket
(23,666 posts)Specifically the right wing cesspool that is the media and social media now.
Indies hate the gop because the see they are awful. Big they hate the democrats because everyone is TELLING them Democrats are awful.
1,000%
Scrivener7
(59,332 posts)control of social media under Obama and it made a big difference, but we lost that edge.
Decades. It's time we came up with a solution. For example, I've read that 80% of the social media misinformation in the 2015 campaign came from 80 social media accounts plus bots.
We need to do that.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)ananda
(34,948 posts)kFor the past 25 years we've been
dealing with corrupt Republican politicians and courts
gsming elections criminally in their favor.
sboatcar
(831 posts)There's a LOT of people further on the left that don't vote or vote third party because of the gradual march toward the right that a lot of establishment democrats have taken. We need to be aggressive progressives and stop trying to pander to those on the right who won't vote for democrats anyway.
The Revolution
(890 posts)I've seen it claimed many times that there is this vast pool of far left voters just waiting to be activated. But is there any evidence that that is the case?
My understanding was that was the theory Jasmine Crockett was running on, but she didn't even win the Democratic primary.
Seems like it should be easy to test though. Take some of these "safe" Republican seats and run someone way to the left. If the theory is true, we should see the candidates at least overperform expectations or other recent candidates.
And even if this pool of voters does exist, part of me wants to say "fuck 'em" if they still can't see the difference between the parties.
sboatcar
(831 posts)everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Gore1FL
(22,934 posts)We have yet to nominate a presidential candidate that opposed Reaganomics.
The Revolution
(890 posts)Absolutely did. The problem, as usual, is that we couldn't communicate it, even to everyone on our side. And also that the changes he implemented would take time to actually show an effect.
https://smry.ai/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newyorker.com%2Fmagazine%2F2024%2F11%2F04%2Fbidenomics-is-starting-to-transform-america-why-has-no-one-noticed
Real Bidenomics upends a set of economic assumptions that have prevailed in both parties for most of the past half century. Biden is the first President in decades to treat government as the designer and ongoing referee of markets, rather than as the corrector of markets dislocations and excesses after the fact.
What would you call these policies? One apt label might be post-neoliberal, a term that does not resonate at all with the public. Another way of thinking about Bidens approach is through terminology devised by the political scientist Jacob Hacker: it rejects redistribution as a guiding liberal principle, in favor of predistribution, an effort to transform the economy in a way that makes redistribution less necessary.
The lesson for the next Democratic president is probably that we need to have some policies that will have some obvious impact in the short term, and be sure people know it was because of you.
Gore1FL
(22,934 posts)If he was against it, he didnt succeed in changing it.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)The Revolution
(890 posts)I don't know that people care about left or right so much, but they want someone who will do something to help. So you need to have some policy ideas, but also be able to communicate with people in a genuine way (or at least come off as genuine, even if you are not). We know there were people who supported Bernie Sanders, then turned around and voted for Trump.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Cirsium
(3,815 posts)Time to dump on the base.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Cirsium
(3,815 posts)Zambero
(9,966 posts)As most have opined that both major parties leave something to be desired? I have a pretty good sense of which party's candidates these 71% of poll respondents would favor if the election were held today, and it would not be the MAGA-Trump party.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Zambero
(9,966 posts)A major gripe about Dems is that they are not able to rein Trump in, which is a tall order given that the GOP holds sway over all three branches of the federal governemnt,
betsuni
(28,995 posts)up in solidarity against old meanie out-of-touch wealthy elite Democrats ignoring us with things "not relating to the rest of society" like health care, Social Security, infrastructure, civil rights, voting rights, economic and environmental regulations and green technology, good relationships with other countries and diplomacy, reproductive freedom, support of unions and education and science, taxing the wealthy and corporations, student debt relief, etc. -- government that works.
The Democratic Party does make positive differences in people's lives, of course. Don't understand the point of this OP.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)betsuni
(28,995 posts)The Fight for Fifteen has been successful as a grassroots movement to increase wages across the country since 2012. Democratic controlled cities and states have higher minimum wages, as everyone knows. Democrats haven't had the votes to increase wages on a national level, Republicans controlling the House in six our of eight years of the Clinton and Obama administrations and two of Biden's.
If people want higher wages they need to vote for Democrats. What's the next goalpost?
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)The next time we get full control, we need to end the filibuster and stop worrying about what the Republicans are going to do.
Wednesdays
(22,388 posts)So that's why we've won every special election since 2025?
Every. Single. One.
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)Quiet Em
(2,847 posts)The difference between the two parties is pretty damn obvious.
I can spell it out for them in simple terms.
Republicans - fiscal policy = enrich the wealthy
social policy = erode civil rights
Democrats - fiscal policy = lift up the people
social policy = protect civil rights
everyonematters
(4,109 posts)difference.
Demixs
(46 posts)walkingman
(10,726 posts)I grew up with guns, still have them, and find the infatuation with them to be an obvious cultural issue. If you carry a gun with you everywhere you gun, it speaks to your attitude about our society and not in a positive way. In my part of the country...Texas...conservatives are the worst. Just weird.
somsai
(234 posts)Trump is horrible, to get votes we need to be better.
Not sure Talarico is a great example. If the Rs run someone worse he'll win, otherwise Rs will run loops of the crazy things Talarico has said and he has quite a history.
kimbutgar
(27,170 posts)LuvLoogie
(8,772 posts)in order to win elections.