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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn Day 1, Iran launched 504 ballistic missiles at it's neighbors... by day 5, it was 29
Don't believe the lies about Iran's "vengeance" or such crap
https://www.facebook.com/TheJerusalemPost/posts/irans-missile-stockpile-shrinks-as-us-israel-campaign-intensifiesevery-missile-i/1375267641293873/
https://jinsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Irans-Firepower-Has-Almost-Run-Out-1.pdf
LudwigPastorius
(14,584 posts)how's their drone situation?
WarGamer
(18,524 posts)Shahed has 50kg warhead
Melon
(1,467 posts)They arent shooting because they lack the ability , not because they lack the hatred.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)moved elsewhere as in "shoot and scoot". We return fire to where they were and declare it a "destruction". We are wasting Tomahawk missiles on inflatable decoys as well. BDA after the Serbian campaign, 1992 Gulf War and other engagements have shown that we count as "destroyed" multiple times in numbers than they, our adversaries, actually possessed. Do not forget how much punishment North Vietnam took from American bombers and stayed in the fight -- to the end.
They are firing less missiles because the ones they are now using do multiple times the damage of the volleys they fired initially to deplete Israeli/American interceptors.
This, "they are running out of launchers", etc. are simply talking points to dodge the disaster this has been and is. Remember when Russia was "out of missiles" in UKR 3 + years ago? They were not and are not.
RoseTrellis
(157 posts)No missile are launched thru the sand. Thats just impossible.
Dont fall for the Iranian propaganda about tomahawks being wasted on inflatable decoys.
That might have worked to fool militaries in the early days of reconnaissance when overflights were infrequent, a tank/plane that just showed up one day could easily be identified as a valid target.
Those days are over. In todays persistent surveillance, targets just dont appear; the war planners/targeting cells can easily review previous footage to determine from where they came from and will easily reject those decoys. If you wanna do a deep dive, look up gorgon stare to get an idea of whats possible. What youll,find is just the publicly availability capability, or doubt the system can do far more than that.
This target analysis is a core competency of the military that has existed for decades and is independent of who is in the White House.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)bombing during the Kosovo War and, while we blew up plenty of bridges, BDA eventually showed that we did NOT destroy anywhere near the number of tanks, artillery pieces and aircraft. Both Seribia and Iran treat their decoys as real in terms of appearing to service them, putting them where they would be expected, and moving them. They will even "cover" them with netting to appear "camoflouged". As to missile fired through the dessert, probably only a very thin canopy, from a tunnel, watch this video and be informed:
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,493 posts)Are not even remotely comparable.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)inflatable models produced by China and purchased by Iran are indistinguishable at distance from the real thing and many have coatings on them to appear solid to EW. Both UKR and Russia have used decoys successfully in the current war, both having extensive ISR capability. Also, decoys are used much more intelligently now. Dropping them on a runway, inexplicably, stopped working a long time ago. Now they treat them like the real thing and "service" them, move them to simulate use, and eve put "camouflage" netting on them so they appear as valuable assets being protected.
Finally, wartime BDA sucks, whether done by Americans or others.
SoFlaBro
(3,773 posts)WarGamer
(18,524 posts)Unless you don't like anything connected to Israel.
AloeVera
(4,197 posts)"Regime-change" and WMD cheerleaders for GWB in Iraq (remember Chalabi? He was pushed by JINSA, later turned out to be a fraud and likely Iranian agent!), supporters of genocidal Azerbeijan, and now, since 2018, advocators of a U.S.-Israeli mutual defense pact (looks like they were pretty successful).
Tidbit: In March 2023, JINSA issued an open letter calling on the White House and Congress to "immediately provide Israel with the advanced weapons it needs to deter and prevent a nuclear Iran".
Crying...
StoolPigeon
(247 posts)We will Discover it was 29 party balloons.
dpibel
(3,875 posts)Should we believe that?
What happened to those Kurds you were counting on the other day? It was all coming into focus!!!
Tell me the one about how air superiority is all you need to defeat a nation of 90 million. I'm all ears.
WarGamer
(18,524 posts)dpibel
(3,875 posts)I mean, like...
Self own.
Fill in the blanks quiz:
"The _________ will lead the __________ assault on _______."
I guess you could argue that DU is not social media, and thus recognition is different. But that's a bit of stretch.
Metaphorical
(2,630 posts)Somehow, I'm not surprised when they replied, "Um, no."
Iran's goal is simple at this stage - outwait the US. The Iranians can continue bombing ships and US bases, as well as continuing to take out soft targets like data centers, but the US does not have the logistical support at this point to wage an extended ground war without this thing dragging on for months or even years. The next attacks I expect will be cyberwarfare-related, and the US is considerably more vulnerable in that regard than the Iranians.
The US has a massive fight ahead of it if it wants to control Iran, while the Iranians only have to wait long enough for the rest of the world to rein in the US in order to clear the straits.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)make way for the real stuff. They are doing substantially greater damage to Israel with a much smaller number of newer, more effective missiles. Tel Aviv is in the dark now and their radar capabilities have been so damaged, as has the U.S.'s in the region, that Tel Aviv residents no longer get a 20 minute warning but now only about 90 seconds or none at all.
Our ships have not retreated out of range without reason and we are not using Indian ports for resupply rather than the one in Bahrain because Iran is on its "last legs". They are winning this simply by surviving and staying in the fight.
WarGamer
(18,524 posts)1) the US moved out of Bahrain BEFORE the attack
2) Israelis still get an alert from their cell phones upon launch from Iran and the shorter alarm when they're incoming
3) There is no reduction in US radar coverage.
Lancero
(3,269 posts)Legit, I had to double check and make sure I didn't somehow end up on one with how similar the argument is.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)Yes, we moved many, but not all, personnel from the GCC States because we knew they were vulnerable. The radars they destroyed were still being used and were essential to successful intercepts.
Israelis themselves are complaining about the short notice now.
I suspect you are pro-Israeli, which is your right, but don't drink the Flavor-Aid please.
WarGamer
(18,524 posts)But this full court press to make it seem like Iran is holding their own is just silly.
X.com is literally FULL of Russian and Iranian propaganda hyping up Iranian attacks...
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)Air power, and yes, their Navy has been largely destroyed. It, however, was never going to be a player in this battle. Iran has more emotionally resilient and hardship hardened people than the U.S. has had in generations and they will take far more punishment than we ever will. For them, to stay in the fight is the route to eventual victory as it was for the NVA, the Taliban, etc. We also sold out our industrial capacity and cannot replace missiles, radars and interceptors in anything approaching realistic levels required to continue our present intensity. They are also going to win on the political front -- as Vietnam did -- as Europe, India, Japan and South Korea have their economies devastated by Trump's foolish actions.
They can and will take significantly more punishment than either the U.S. or Israel is able or willing to. They are also backed by two superpowers with industrial capacity in arms production that WILL NOT allow them to fall.
RoseTrellis
(157 posts)X is generally unusable now to try to figure out whats going on.
The signal to noise ratio is terrible.
Its full of AI videos and pictures posted by accounts laughably inflating the US losses and understating the beating Iran is taking.
Its a shame to see some of that garbage regurgitated here.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)current residents living in Tel Aviv who are telling me that they are getting pummeled and the government is lying. The attacks there are escalating, albeit by more effective missiles and not by the massive barrage of cheap missiles in the first days that depleted their Arrow and Patriot systems.
You are the one repeating Trump and Hegseth propaganda.
LeftInTX
(34,130 posts)I remember from 2023!
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)a level in recent years that even Trump can't match.
questionseverything
(11,748 posts)Sometimes everyones crystal ball clouds up
Greg_In_SF
(1,226 posts)is not in the dark. Plenty of live cams showing the exact opposite.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)power, but their damage control people, like the Ukrainians, patched the system and put the lights back on.
They are still getting hammered.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)to reconsider your thread's assumptions.
Boo1
(308 posts)but they don't have to beat us. All they have to do is last until the politcal cost is too high for us to continue.
They don't have to sink aircraft carriers and blow up bases. All they have to do is keep Hormuz jammed up and threaten oil production long enough that the political pressure makes Trump TACO out.
Judging from the support that the war started with, and the most recent reports coming out of the White House, that's pretty damn soon.
artemisia1
(1,810 posts)Kingofalldems
(40,196 posts)and genuflect whenever he appears on TV?