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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIran is now using Mach 14 missiles.
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Edit to add, that Engels did not specifically mention hypersonic, so I find that tweet a bit misleading.
They allegedly damaged Al-Udayri base, a US strategic helicopter base, a logistic support base, and a power station in Israel. Allegedly.
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The following is from an Iranian source so do with it what you will. I can't vouch for anything, but prefer not to wait for Bari Weiss and other MSM to trickle down whatever our government wants.
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Editing to add this recent article from March
Iranian sources on February 28 released footage of the launch of the Fattah ballistic missile, which integrates a next generation manoeuvring re-entry vehicle to effectively evade missile defences. This was followed by the reported first ever launch of the Fattah-2, a heavily enhanced successor to the missile, on March 1. The Fattah-2 missile uses a hypersonic glide vehicle rather than a usual ballistic missile reentry vehicle, allowing it to manoeuvre in both pitch and yaw, to maintain far higher reentry speeds, and to approach targets from unexpected directions. Such missiles can sustain atmospheric skip-glide or shallow glide flight at hypersonic speeds. The missiles were launched following the initiation of coordinated large-scale military assault against Iran by the United States and Israel, which has seen multiple high value targets including key leadership figures targeted, and the countrys Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei killed.

While the large majority of ballistic missiles launched are reported by Iranian sources to have been lower value missile types, which may be intended to depleted hostile missile defences in the conflicts earlier stages, higher value missiles like the Fattah and Fattah-2 may have been launched to neutralise high value targets that it is seen as important to destroy early on, such as the missile defence radar destroyed in Qatar. Their use may also serve as an important show of force regarding the room the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps retains for escalation. While the U.S. has suffered from severe shortages of anti-ballistic missiles for its Patriot and THAAD missile defence systems, however, it remains highly uncertain in what quantities the Fattah and Fattah-2 have been brought into service, with the latter in particular estimated to cost several times as much as older ballistic missile types such as the Khorramshahr.
Iran was reported to have first obtained manoeuvrable reentry vehicle technologies from North Korea in the 1990s, with such vehicles having also been sold to Syria that decade for its Hwasong-9 ballistic missiles, providing countermeasures against interception by Israels newly supplied Patriot air defence systems. North Korea began flight testing of hypersonic glide vehicles in September 2021, and reached a landmark in 2024 with the service entry of the Hwasong-16B intermediate range ballistic missile which integrates such vehicles. It has been speculated that Iran may have either jointly developed these technologies, or purchased them from North Korea. Although adversary missile defences, most notably the Patriot system, have proven to be far from reliable, the much improved penetrative capabilities of the Fattah and Fattah-2 are nevertheless game changers for Irans offensive potential.
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The Fattahs ability to maintain controlled manoeuvrability inside the atmosphere seriously complicates possible interception efforts using systems such as the Israeli Arrow and U.S. Army THAAD. The missile has a reported 1,400 kilometre range, and according to Iranian sources uses a hypersonic glide vehicle to achieve a terminal speed of Mach 13 to Mach 15. Its combination of speed and manoeuvrability make it nearly impossible to intercept. Leading technological challenges in moving from manoeuvrable reentry vehicles to hypersonic glide vehicles include enduring skin temperatures exceeding 2,000 degrees celsius, avoiding the extreme cracking of composite materials, and maintaining stable control despite ablative erosion. Extremely accurate inertial systems, and pre-loaded terrain and trajectory shaping, are also vital. Both the Fattah and the Fattah-2 have been assessed to have significantly complicated Western and Israeli missile defence planning.
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Iran Launches First Ever Hypersonic Glide Vehicle Strike: New Fattah-2 Missile Revolutionises Arsenals Potential
This is from Feb 28 this year
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Dave Bowman
(7,081 posts)Lovie777
(22,757 posts)vanessa_ca
(832 posts)The are videos if its first launch on the net. I think they developed it on their own, but who knows. I mean, they are allies after all. But Russia guards its defense secrets fiercely. I don't think Russia would risk their stuff getting into the hands of Israeli spies in Iran.
Here´s a little more Iran Launches Fattah, Khorramshahr-4 Missiles toward Israel, U.S. Bases in Middle East and wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fattah-1
leftstreet
(40,193 posts)Uncle Joe
(64,911 posts)and the Iranian Shahed drones proved highly effective, whether there was a technology trade? Russia has now localized that production.
One thing seems for certain, this war against Iran is helping fund Russia's war against Ukraine as oil prices have greatly escalated.
So if *rump is being blackmailed by Putin and/or Netanyahu over Epstein, that seems to be the most logical explanation as to why we waged war against Iran.
It seems to me that Netanyahu's actions are much more in line with Russian security than that of the U.S. and perhaps demographics plays a part?
Russia/Ukraine (Former USSR)
1,756,701
Morocco, Algeria & Tunisia
364,745
Romania
277,018
Poland
174,187
Iraq
131,065
United States
123,824
Ethiopia
96,208
France
83,538
Iran
81,154
Argentina
64,212
Turkey
64,352
Yemen
51,551
Bulgaria
44,529
Egypt and Sudan
38,046
Libya
36,120
United Kingdom
38,171
Hungary
33,008
India
29,536
Czechoslovakia (Former)
24,785
South Africa
22,623
Germany
21,215
Brazil
15,764
Canada
13,390
Georgia
12,552
Yugoslavia (Former)
11,067
Syria
10,254
https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-israel-by-country-of-origin
Bluetus
(2,659 posts)In retrospect, maybe it was unwise to have a senile president and an alcoholic Secretary of war.
vanessa_ca
(832 posts)I updated the OP to add an excerpt from their article https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iran-launches-first-hypersonic-glide-strike-fattah2
Dave Bowman
(7,081 posts)OC375
(748 posts)Seems like a stretch to me, but who knows.
malaise
(295,300 posts)year old civilization.
PHEW!
Bullies never learn.
marble falls
(71,700 posts)... of advanced science degree developed here in the US.
They may be "religious", but they most certainly are not stupid and uneducated.
vanessa_ca
(832 posts)I wouldn't mock or underestimate them
marble falls
(71,700 posts)Fichefinder
(417 posts)Deuxcents
(26,520 posts)malaise
(295,300 posts)That is all
GusBob
(8,224 posts)and wait until we depleted our interceptors, etc and then start fighting back harder
BeyondGeography
(41,019 posts)If true, at least one side in this war has one.
marble falls
(71,700 posts)Eko
(9,964 posts)Richard Engel is talking about cluster bombs, not mach 14 missiles. The whole mach14 thing is used to scare us and is propaganda. Do they have some? Prob, enough to matter? Prob not. Enough to use? Not so far.
EX500rider
(12,474 posts)vanessa_ca
(832 posts)vanessa_ca
(832 posts)It's possible the reference was to this missile, the Khorramshahr-4. What do you think? I defer to your knowledge.
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OC375
(748 posts)I didn't even realize we had real world beam weapon technology in the field until recently. The speed of light is extremely slow, but it's still better than Mach14.
sarisataka
(22,582 posts)I am truly curious
cloudbase
(6,255 posts)The units are Incredible Donald John Trumps, or IDJTs.
You heard it here first. Where's my Ig Nobel?
sarisataka
(22,582 posts)DBoon
(24,912 posts)ignorance and lies might travel at a higher speed
OC375
(748 posts)186,000mps 186,000mph is slow in the cosmic scheme of things, but faster than sound.
sarisataka
(22,582 posts)The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second
FTL travel is science fiction because, at this point, our understanding of physics is nothing can go faster than light.
OC375
(748 posts)Yes, mps. I love AI.
marble falls
(71,700 posts)haele
(15,333 posts)For a largish drone or mid-sized missile still pretty much requires the same power output of a LA class submarine power plant.
And there's no feasible design to build a power plant small enough to be able to put on a large enough land based laser weapons system platform that would be effective against missiles and large drones, not to mention the "tail" to maintain, and supply such a thing so its not useless after a few days of use at this point of time. Or any time within the next 10 years.
As for putting one on a plane or ship? Just as not possible.
I'm almost inclined to believe this has been a "fellow travellers adventure";
Kushner wants to neuter any potential funding for terrorists damaging his beautiful resort plans in Gaza.
Netenyahu wants a greater Israel that will cover the entire Levant, from Lebanon to the Sinai, with as much of Southern Syria and Western Jordan as he can manage to claim with the help of the US.
Hegseth and his merry band of Christian Nationalists want a Crusade to look all tough and manly, and make the world safe for the Western Christian Lords and their ignorant peasants.
Tech Bros and their associated Venture Capital MIC investors want to bypass Congressional oversight to use emergency cost plus acquisition contracts, over-inflating the costs, by-passing quality assurance and sneaking unproven AI updates into all the new weapons and systems that will have built as replacements.
And of course, GOP politicians wanted a way of dealing with the recent jobless and homeless who aren't able to adjust to their vision of a new world order, but are physically capable enough to toss into a military obeillette for a year or two until they finish up enough camp space to put all the excess people they no longer have a use for.
And of course, the Media and influencers need clicks.
EYESORE 9001
(29,638 posts)when you hear the car horn of the jackass behind you before you see the light change.
eppur_se_muova
(41,719 posts)That's Mach 870,000, give or take a few thousand.
EX500rider
(12,474 posts)vanessa_ca
(832 posts)sarisataka
(22,582 posts)And shows proof of their use against an apartment building.
IIRC, just yesterday there was a lot said about the use of cluster munitions by another country. Will the same be said about Iran as the other country? Time will tell.
Eko
(9,964 posts)is just as wrong as Israel using cluster munitions against civilians.
sarisataka
(22,582 posts)With the bravery to say it aloud
artemisia1
(1,809 posts)who delight in flogging and hanging young women who try to defend themselves against sexual assault. They are literally charged with "adultery".
RoseTrellis
(157 posts)Please dont fall for this obvious propaganda This is footage from a SpaceX flight. The video attached to that X post is actually from the December 22, 2017, launch of a Falcon 9 rocket carrying 10 Iridium NEXT satellites from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California
EX500rider
(12,474 posts)17,000 mph plus is a pretty standard reentry speed
marble falls
(71,700 posts)For example, with the definitional value for standard gravity of 9.80665 m/s2 (32.1740 ft/s2),[6] the escape velocity from Earth is 11.186 km/s (40,270 km/h; 25,020 mph; 36,700 ft/s).[7]
sarisataka
(22,582 posts)Don't bring facts into the discussion
EX500rider
(12,474 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 10, 2026, 10:26 PM - Edit history (2)
When a US ICBM bus drops off 10 warheads, they steer down to 10 different targets
Although that's the more modern of the MIRV type warheads:
(MARV): "Some advanced warheads, known as Maneuverable Reentry Vehicles (MARVs), can make adjustments during re-entry to enhance accuracy or evade defenses, though this is distinct from standard MIRVs."
Kid Berwyn
(24,094 posts)Which, if true, poses great danger for the United States armed forces.
artemisia1
(1,809 posts)speed in the last moments before impact. The true hypersonic missile is one that can maneuver at that speed. Otherwise, it is still a ballistic missile.
marble falls
(71,700 posts)... engineers and technicians just trying to exert control on test units. They blow up good. Real good.
artemisia1
(1,809 posts)advertise. Maybe 3-8.
marble falls
(71,700 posts)... Kh-47M2 Kinzhal, the Oreshnik,
https://interestingengineering.com/photo-story/russia-unveils-zircon-hypersonic-missile
https://www.thetargetclasses.com/defence/top-5-fastest-missiles-in-the-world/
Mach 10 is actually not an impossible number, there a handful of Mach 25 missiles in the hands of several countries including the US, Russia and Chinese.
artemisia1
(1,809 posts)maneuver at that speed in a true hypersonic missile way. Hypersonic missile does not simply mean that it can reach hypersonic speed, many ballistic missiles can do that, it means it is maneuverable at Hypersonic speeds. To repeat what my post stated, I doubt they have any that can maneuver beyond 6 or perhaps 8 Mach.
ForgedCrank
(3,084 posts)marble falls
(71,700 posts)... Getting Mach 14 isn't the problem, making it's path conform to the curve of earth and steering it IS a problem. A big one.
ForgedCrank
(3,084 posts)orbits @ Mach 20~ without zero thrust running. It's not a valid comparison. That's a whole lot different than a missile at or anywhere near sea level. Materials to survive those conditions don't even exist. This is more BS from Iran, just like their F-35 shoot down photos.
usonian
(24,766 posts)Iranians know that if the U.S. takes over, it means universal haircuts and shaves.

marble falls
(71,700 posts)usonian
(24,766 posts)Thx for the info. I hope its not needed, but a madman is running the show.
marble falls
(71,700 posts)... none of this shit was needed. It only engenders the need for more dangerous shit and more weak links in charge.
Jedi Guy
(3,463 posts)This is hardly the first time that Iran's been noted to have hypersonic missiles. I seem to recall the usual fearmongering news stories on the topic making the rounds a couple of years ago, right around the same time there were other news stories about China, Russia, and other bad actors testing or developing the technology.
It's possible Iran has some hypersonics tucked away somewhere. Given the novelty of the technology I doubt like hell they have any sizeable stockpile of the things, though. Two dozen or thereabouts would be my guess, maybe three or four dozen. Enough of them to slip them through the missile defenses of the other Middle Eastern states and wreak some havoc but by no means enough to turn the tide of the war.
The most infuriating thing about this entire ordeal is how stupid and unnecessary it is. The (flimsy) justifications for attacking Iran change by the hour. Trump has no clear vision of what the win condition here is. Regime change? Surrender and concessions? Everyone in Iran gets a pony? Who the hell knows. Trump sure doesn't seem to. Trump starts a war for the same reason people eat the last slice of a cake. Because it's there and because they can.
Trump always largely did whatever the hell he felt like doing with no consideration of the consequences but it's vastly worse now that there are no adults in the room to restrain his stupid impulses and he knows he's term-limited, his bluster about a third term notwithstanding. He knows it's not happening.
SamKnause
(14,865 posts)GreenWave
(12,556 posts)This might get real ugly, real quick.
Melon
(1,467 posts)Iran has lost the vast majority of their launchers. They cant fight back. They didnt wait for anything, there defenses were destroyed, their communication cut. No country says Our plan is to let them destroy our leadership, then navy, destroy all of our radar, destroy our fighters, destroy 85% of all large missile launchers, and a very large percentage of our missiles and drones on the ground. Then we will attack. Its Iranian propaganda. They cant fight back. Theyve killed I believe 8 soldiers in this entire campaign. There military infrastructure is truly being destroyed.
markodochartaigh
(5,429 posts)are playing Russian roulette.
