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Miles Archer

(23,551 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:11 AM Thursday

Trump wants to reinstate Vietnam-era "emergency enlistment measures." Good. Let's start with his 20 y.o. son, Lurch.

The Trump administration’s Selective Service System (SSS), an agency that keeps tabs on draft-age Americans, has proposed doing away with self-registration for enlistment and instead automatically updating its lists with names drawn from other federal databases.

Federal law already requires men between the ages of 18 and 25 to register with the agency in case the president decides to issue a military draft order. SSS expects eligible candidates to self-register within 30 days of their 18th birthday, but otherwise allows men to file late submissions until age 26.

Trump mandated the new rules, which remain under review pending regulatory approval, in December of last year. Trump’s rules suggest that the president is interested in using emergency enlistment measures the U.S. has not otherwise activated since 1973, during the Vietnam War.

Trump, who attended the New York Military Academy, a prestigious military-style boarding school, did not serve in that conflict, or in any other capacity in the U.S. armed forces. In fact, the president avoided the draft on no fewer than five separate occasions—four times using a student deferment, and a fifth time for medical reasons.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/draft-dodging-peace-president-donald-trump-to-register-boys-for-military-draft-at-18/

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Trump wants to reinstate Vietnam-era "emergency enlistment measures." Good. Let's start with his 20 y.o. son, Lurch. (Original Post) Miles Archer Thursday OP
"Emergency enlistment measures"? Please it's a draft he's talking about. Walleye Thursday #1
They want mandatory mil service eventually like our great ally. 617Blue Thursday #2
With low pay I assume. JBTaurus83 Thursday #14
Low pay with no food stamps or anything else. enigmania Thursday #25
Wait! Traildogbob Thursday #55
As a veteran liberalgunwilltravel Thursday #15
I agree. evolves Thursday #20
Or some other public service jmowreader Thursday #34
I grew up during the VietNam draft MurrayDelph Thursday #51
Interesting my number was 225 49jim Thursday #65
We had no popsdenver Thursday #76
My number was 154, I was a 2S, and the moment I graduated in 71 I was called up for my lostincalifornia Friday #88
We had no popsdenver Thursday #75
Good response 617Blue Thursday #22
Agree modrepub Thursday #26
Agree in concept too RT Atlanta Thursday #32
All those things should be accomplished by public school. TBF Thursday #37
It doesn't have to be "fighting wars" GenThePerservering Thursday #54
I wouldn't be opposed to a mandatory service of various types TBF Thursday #64
But, there are other roles in the military than those just fighting wars SpankMe Thursday #66
We have one already. dixiegrrrrl Thursday #38
JFK started the Peace Corps in 1961 Wednesdays Thursday #58
Seniors in high school JBTaurus83 Thursday #40
Many of them do. oberle Thursday #79
I wish they had that JBTaurus83 Thursday #81
You made the one point I always make NHvet Thursday #50
Whats the emergency??--maybe Trumpy invading Greenland??? riversedge Thursday #28
Trump thinks we've been in an emergency since Obama was elected. Walleye Thursday #29
Republicans always have to make up new terms for things. Arthur_Frain Thursday #42
"Military excursion", which doesn't even make sense, is his name for war Walleye Thursday #49
"Pre-dawn, vertical insertion" Arthur_Frain Thursday #53
I think Trump means incursion, but he doesn't know the English language very well and he's stupid Walleye Thursday #56
Stephen Miller wrote his speech with the word "incursion" FakeNoose Thursday #80
The criminal thug bdamomma Thursday #71
Tsk tsk, hereditary bone spurs are no laughing matter Johnny2X2X Thursday #3
Yes. I still hold out hope that some philanthropist will do a "Billionaire Boys With Bone Spurs" Telethon Miles Archer Thursday #5
"LURCH!" Love it!!!! MyOwnPeace Thursday #4
It's perfect. I'm ticked I didn't think of that. Greybnk48 Thursday #11
6'9" and growing? 3825-87867 Thursday #18
It CAN happen ITAL Thursday #21
Melania is extremely tall for a woman karynnj Thursday #31
Barron is very tall, but has extremely small hands, so... Omnipresent Thursday #36
What ITAL said! Ilsa Thursday #33
At age 80, Krasnov was probably 6'1" or 6'2" Ilsa Thursday #35
He's 79. He Was 6'2" In Military School, And There No Evidence He's Shrunk.... ColoringFool Thursday #62
I rounded up his age since he'll be 80 in 2 months. Ilsa Thursday #68
That puts him 1" over the upper limit allowed for servicemen, IIRC. TheRickles Thursday #41
He could request a waiver in order to serve (spoiler: he never would) Rob H. Thursday #60
And with his dad supporting the waiver, it'd sail right through. TheRickles Thursday #63
You mean the draft, Piggy? Ocelot II Thursday #6
Yeah EuterpeThelo Thursday #13
These kids won't be happy MustLoveBeagles Thursday #17
True, this generation is not been groomed for military service like ours was Walleye Thursday #30
Oh yes bdamomma Thursday #70
Trump, never one to dabble with the history books, doesn't see it coming. Baitball Blogger Thursday #7
Planning more mitary excursions, is he? sinkingfeeling Thursday #8
Cuba, Colombia, Mexico and Greenland once he pulls out of NATO. OGBuzz Thursday #12
He's getting more and more like Putin every day. dem4decades Thursday #9
He's following bdamomma Thursday #72
And it's one two three four multigraincracker Thursday #10
Trump::: Your sons, not mine. Norrrm Thursday #16
Oh, Nobody Will Object to That... MineralMan Thursday #19
You know where I am. Come and get me. twodogsbarking Thursday #23
NYMA is not prestigious Aviation Pro Thursday #24
gums, lurch and kai* should be the very first, and all the of-age offspring niyad Thursday #27
Air drip that turkey baster anchor baby into Tehran Submariner Thursday #39
This could very easily be one of "they say" things. WinstonSmith4740 Thursday #43
He threatened to disown his kids if they enlisted nt Bookreadingliberal53 Thursday #61
Wants/needs younger, strong males to be under his authority so they can't fight his fascists ruining the nation? Attilatheblond Thursday #44
Send ICE bdamomma Thursday #73
Asshat McBonespur says what? Dave Bowman Thursday #45
Well, the Democratic Party will be getting a lot of new members....... ashredux Thursday #46
Let's Start With Barron Deep State Witch Thursday #47
Just one not-so-small problem nitpicked Thursday #48
Well, since the MAGAs think women shouldn't be in the military, The Madcap Thursday #52
Tell me? Traildogbob Thursday #57
I nominate Barron for the title of First Private! KY_EnviroGuy Thursday #59
This brings back memories....."emergency enlistment measures' surfered Thursday #67
DJT bdamomma Thursday #69
Brainspurs trump Wonder Why Thursday #74
He is going to be just like daddy. kacekwl Thursday #77
Sorry, but "Lurch" (love that!) can't be drafted: He inherited his dad's bone spurs. LaMouffette Thursday #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Thursday #82
He's planning on using the military for his Figarosmom Friday #83
Hope they like high rates of AWOL servicemembers and barracks that smell like pot. Crowman2009 Friday #84
Don't forget Kai and Donald J Trump lll Blue Full Moon Friday #85
K&R Scott Alan Swaggerty Friday #86
I scrolled through the comments to see if anyone disliked the name-calling..... 70sEraVet Friday #87

Walleye

(45,026 posts)
1. "Emergency enlistment measures"? Please it's a draft he's talking about.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:25 AM
Thursday

If we had passed the rights amendment, they wouldn’t be pulling this shit

Traildogbob

(13,059 posts)
55. Wait!
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:22 AM
Thursday

Are you saying they will not get paid like ICE, with bonuses and reward pay for capturing brown folk, and a guarantee of never being shot at and you can shoot anyone you don’t like and NEVER face charges?
So I guess all draftees will join ICE to not be pawns in our military, and avoid being suckers and losers.
Wondering, will current ICE thugs get drafted?????

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,228 posts)
15. As a veteran
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:21 AM
Thursday

I would be all for some form of mandatory service, be it military or some other government program for everyone, men and women. It would go a long way to making this a more egalitarian society. And it would force the interactions between people who otherwise would never even meet. The purpose and reality of such service would not be to promote more conflicts, in fact it would likely have the opposite effect, since more people would have skin in the game. That said, I wouldn’t support such an action under the current administration.

evolves

(5,844 posts)
20. I agree.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:27 AM
Thursday

Some sort of compulsory service either in the military, Peace Corps, or AmeriCorps would go a long way towards building camaraderie in this country.

jmowreader

(53,246 posts)
34. Or some other public service
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:20 AM
Thursday

Police, firefighting, teaching, healthcare…the list is endless.

MurrayDelph

(5,758 posts)
51. I grew up during the VietNam draft
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:14 AM
Thursday

My draft number was 225, in a year where they'd announced they would not go above 125, and ended the draft before that.

I would have made a lousy soldier, but was studying at the time to become a teacher. If they had offered that I provide my services as a teacher as a way to serve, that would have been acceptable to me.

49jim

(594 posts)
65. Interesting my number was 225
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 12:24 PM
Thursday

also in the first draft drawing December 1, 1969. I was able to keep that number being enrolled full time in college.
I graduated May 1971, my draft board went to 200 and called numbers up to 215 for draft physicals. So I wasn’t called.
I was able to secure a teaching position and was married June 1971.
Often wondered what direction our life would have taken if I was drafted.

popsdenver

(2,356 posts)
76. We had no
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 06:52 PM
Thursday

"lottery" in 1967, and McNamara was drafting anyone and everyone, especially Blacks and people with an IQ as low as 70....

lostincalifornia

(5,419 posts)
88. My number was 154, I was a 2S, and the moment I graduated in 71 I was called up for my
Fri Apr 10, 2026, 01:20 PM
Friday

physical. I was able to get out of it because of.high blood pressure, but had to have it rechecked 3 different times.

The Vietnam Nam “experiment” was finally winding down, but the wasted lives lost and ruined for an undeclared war, based on a lie with the Gulf Of Tonkin resolution was a disaster.

It was those that weren’t wealthy or had influence whose sons and daughters were sacrificed.

popsdenver

(2,356 posts)
75. We had no
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 06:49 PM
Thursday

"lottery" in 1967, and McNamara was drafting anyone and everyone, especially Blacks and people with an IQ as low as 70....

modrepub

(4,128 posts)
26. Agree
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:06 AM
Thursday

It would also provide a lot more push back against military conflict in general by giving folks first hand experience with politicians’ war mongering.

I think civilian involvement in Vietnam via the draft eventually turned the county against the war once folks who served on the front lines returned and started sharing their experiences. We’ve had wars turned into video games removing all the trauma and senselessness war actually creates. Reality is much different, hence it’s why a lot of people never bat an eye during military conflicts that don’t directly affect them.

RT Atlanta

(2,755 posts)
32. Agree in concept too
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:17 AM
Thursday

But is the current circumstances that make me say no effin way..... my children are not going to be cannon fodder for israel

TBF

(36,830 posts)
37. All those things should be accomplished by public school.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:25 AM
Thursday

You don't need to enlist in fighting wars to put people in an environment where they have to deal with other people.

GenThePerservering

(3,467 posts)
54. It doesn't have to be "fighting wars"
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:21 AM
Thursday

And all I ever met in high school were people like myself. I think the idea has metit. Having said that, I wouldn't want to institute that under the current administration!

TBF

(36,830 posts)
64. I wouldn't be opposed to a mandatory service of various types
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 12:21 PM
Thursday

like we see in Israel. But Israel also provides their people with universal healthcare, so I'd like to see that up there for consideration also. And, yes, nothing sane is going to come from this regime. Under other administrations we could actually have conversations about these kinds of ideas.

SpankMe

(3,731 posts)
66. But, there are other roles in the military than those just fighting wars
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 01:14 PM
Thursday

There are cooks, drivers, communications techs, mechanics, lawyers, civil engineers, electricians, plumbers, information technologists, researchers, analysis, intelligence, doctors, nurses, medical lab techs, accountants, secretaries...the list goes on and on. A very small number actually get involved in combat ops, per se. And all of these are operational even during peacetime.

The military is practically a whole society within a society. It has all of the same functions and disciplines, just on a much more structured level - perfect for post-high school training, discipline and socialization. Public school doesn't cover all the same bases that national service would. National service - be it the military, peace coprs, Americorps, forrest service, whatever - would be a great follow-on for non college-bound Americans.

I wouldn't balk on mandatory national public service - as long as kids aren't forced into combat roles and can chose a skills discipline to their liking.

But, as other have said, I don't approve of executing it at this time with this administration. Mainly because this administration can eat my ass.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,166 posts)
38. We have one already.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:29 AM
Thursday

It's called the Peace Corps. IIRC, it popped up in early 70's as option to the draft.
Still going strong, tho only 3,000 or so members.

Wednesdays

(22,740 posts)
58. JFK started the Peace Corps in 1961
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:31 AM
Thursday

It was a plank in his presidential campaign. I've been to the spot at the University of Michigan where he announced his plan.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/peace-corps

JBTaurus83

(1,492 posts)
40. Seniors in high school
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:32 AM
Thursday

Should have to do something for their communities for a few hours each month as a requirement of graduation.

oberle

(374 posts)
79. Many of them do.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:34 PM
Thursday

Where I lived in Ohio many of them work in a thrift store that serves to send supplies to Ukraine. Many volunteered at the Columbus Zoo. Most of the high schools in the DC area have that as a requirement also.

JBTaurus83

(1,492 posts)
81. I wish they had that
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:08 PM
Thursday

In my small town when I graduated. I’m 43, and I have a 25 yr old sister. A lot has changed since I was in school!

NHvet

(304 posts)
50. You made the one point I always make
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:09 AM
Thursday

when asked what I felt I got out of the service. It was the interactions I would have never had otherwise, the people I would have never met, eat with and had drinks with and lived amongst. I found people are the same everywhere, they want life, worth, family and security.

Walleye

(45,026 posts)
29. Trump thinks we've been in an emergency since Obama was elected.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:12 AM
Thursday

He doesn’t know the meaning of “clear and present danger”. In fact, he doesn’t know the meaning of any words, he uses them anyway.

Arthur_Frain

(2,384 posts)
42. Republicans always have to make up new terms for things.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:39 AM
Thursday

It helps them twist the words better.

“Food Insecure” vs hungry people

“Housing Challenged” vs homeless

Sanitize the conversation so it’s easier to do nothing about any problems.

Walleye

(45,026 posts)
56. I think Trump means incursion, but he doesn't know the English language very well and he's stupid
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:22 AM
Thursday

FakeNoose

(41,845 posts)
80. Stephen Miller wrote his speech with the word "incursion"
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:24 PM
Thursday

Chump probably has trouble reading without glasses, but he's too vain to wear them in public, so he misread the word as "excursion" rather than the way it was written.

What are we gonna do with an almost 80-year-old man who needs glasses and a hearing aid, but he's too vain to admit he needs either one. Ay-yi-yi. He needs to retire (or BE retired) immediately.

Johnny2X2X

(24,297 posts)
3. Tsk tsk, hereditary bone spurs are no laughing matter
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:29 AM
Thursday

They affect thousands of children of billionaires every war.

Miles Archer

(23,551 posts)
5. Yes. I still hold out hope that some philanthropist will do a "Billionaire Boys With Bone Spurs" Telethon
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:43 AM
Thursday

I think that if we can only raise awareness, we can help.



3825-87867

(1,965 posts)
18. 6'9" and growing?
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:23 AM
Thursday

from stock that's 6 feet?
I smell HGH at an early age to make sure he's "royal".
Just a thought, and as an anchor baby, who's your daddy comes to mind.

ITAL

(1,346 posts)
21. It CAN happen
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:29 AM
Thursday

It's not common, but I've definitely unusual height differences between parents and their kids. I grew up with a guy who had parents on the average to short side (maybe 5'3 for the mom and 5'7 for the dad) and their son was at least 6'4.

karynnj

(61,012 posts)
31. Melania is extremely tall for a woman
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:15 AM
Thursday

so it is not surprising that she has an extremely tall son.

Omnipresent

(7,465 posts)
36. Barron is very tall, but has extremely small hands, so...
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:24 AM
Thursday

Grabbing at airplanes from on top of the Empire State Building won’t work for the orange orangutan’s son.

Ilsa

(64,416 posts)
33. What ITAL said!
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:20 AM
Thursday

I have a married cousin who is about 5'9" or 5'10". Her husband is about 6'2" or 6'3". Their daughter is cracking on around 6'. She was half a foot taller than the tallest classmate since elementary school.

You never know what genetics can render along with a good diet and exercise.

Ilsa

(64,416 posts)
35. At age 80, Krasnov was probably 6'1" or 6'2"
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:23 AM
Thursday

twenty years ago. Our frames weaken with age. I've lost ½" in height.

ColoringFool

(777 posts)
62. He's 79. He Was 6'2" In Military School, And There No Evidence He's Shrunk....
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:45 AM
Thursday

Indeed, Trump’s official medical report is that he is 6'3"!

Ilsa

(64,416 posts)
68. I rounded up his age since he'll be 80 in 2 months.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 03:53 PM
Thursday

I think trump has publicly pushed his numbers up and down, added lifts, lied about his weight, etc, according to what suits him in the moment. Still, it isn't unusual to have lost 1-3 inches due to spinal disc degeneration, lack of exercise, and other issues by age 80, with most of the loss after age 70.

Rob H.

(5,862 posts)
60. He could request a waiver in order to serve (spoiler: he never would)
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:38 AM
Thursday

My dad served early on in his US Navy career with a sailor who had done just that.

Ocelot II

(130,753 posts)
6. You mean the draft, Piggy?
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:44 AM
Thursday

Let's see how well that works out for you. You think the young 'uns are pissed off now? Just wait...

EuterpeThelo

(389 posts)
13. Yeah
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:12 AM
Thursday

forced conscription ought to win hearts and minds. Just like it did in 'nam. (Do I need the sarcasm thingy?)

Walleye

(45,026 posts)
30. True, this generation is not been groomed for military service like ours was
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:15 AM
Thursday

I think the boys would just refuse to go, Like their orange daddy did

bdamomma

(69,572 posts)
70. Oh yes
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 04:48 PM
Thursday

Ocelot II all hell will break loose. Young people aren't going to die for Israel.

Baitball Blogger

(52,463 posts)
7. Trump, never one to dabble with the history books, doesn't see it coming.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:53 AM
Thursday

Vietnam's conscriptions were a lesson in why you don't conscript. Too many soldiers were not happy to be there and didn't like the idea of being ordered around by college educated lieutenants who had no field experience. If they found one who was especially incompetent, they fragged them as a form of survival.

This time around, no one likes the cause and no one likes the leader who will send them there. If the MAGAs are in the minority in the barracks they will never have a good night's sleep.

bdamomma

(69,572 posts)
72. He's following
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 04:57 PM
Thursday

Putin's orders to scrap NATO too. That was one of his many orders from Putin.

Like Orrex says each day, "Is He Dead Yet?"

Norrrm

(5,200 posts)
16. Trump::: Your sons, not mine.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:22 AM
Thursday

Someone commented that the Army upped their enlistment age to 42 so Eric can now enlist.
He has a college degree, so make him an officer.



niyad

(132,874 posts)
27. gums, lurch and kai* should be the very first, and all the of-age offspring
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:10 AM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)

of every "r" member of congress, and the cabinet of kkklowns.

*yes, I know we don't draft women, but she loves her grampy so much, surely she will volunteer???

Submariner

(13,380 posts)
39. Air drip that turkey baster anchor baby into Tehran
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:29 AM
Thursday

then when his body bag arrives at Dover for the honorable transfer to his mother and pedo dad, maybe she will answer the calling of the Great Orrex and end this living hell for all of us.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,442 posts)
43. This could very easily be one of "they say" things.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:40 AM
Thursday

But I remember reading a while back that at one point Don Jr. was considering enlisting in the Army, and Mango Mussolini threatened to disown him if he did.

Attilatheblond

(8,993 posts)
44. Wants/needs younger, strong males to be under his authority so they can't fight his fascists ruining the nation?
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:48 AM
Thursday

ashredux

(2,935 posts)
46. Well, the Democratic Party will be getting a lot of new members.......
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:01 AM
Thursday

This didn’t go over very well during the 70s, and it certainly ain’t gonna do well for the GOP now

nitpicked

(1,882 posts)
48. Just one not-so-small problem
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:07 AM
Thursday

Barron is reported to be 6 foot 9.

Army's normal maximum height for enlistment is 80 inches (6 foot 8)
https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/army-weight-rules.html#:~:text=Below%20is%20the%20Army's%20weight,then%20further%20into%20age%20groups.

and I think the other services are the same. IMO, one factor in this is that the US military may be not routinely "geared" to equip and use taller individuals.

The Madcap

(1,937 posts)
52. Well, since the MAGAs think women shouldn't be in the military,
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:15 AM
Thursday

having only daughters is a great blessing.

Traildogbob

(13,059 posts)
57. Tell me?
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:29 AM
Thursday

Will ICE be eligible to be called up, take a HUGE Bigley pay cut, and lose total immunity for murder and a guarantee of never being shot back at?
If not, what’s to stop all drafters from joining ICE to avoid danger and get rich doing it.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,792 posts)
59. I nominate Barron for the title of First Private!
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 11:32 AM
Thursday

With golden stripes for his uniform..........

kacekwl

(9,181 posts)
77. He is going to be just like daddy.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 06:59 PM
Thursday

No responsibility never having to do anything for himself. Plus he's got the same asshole mouth.

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Figarosmom

(12,271 posts)
83. He's planning on using the military for his
Fri Apr 10, 2026, 12:34 AM
Friday

extortion racket. This is in response to fewer re-enlistments I'll bet.

Crowman2009

(3,554 posts)
84. Hope they like high rates of AWOL servicemembers and barracks that smell like pot.
Fri Apr 10, 2026, 01:07 AM
Friday

Because that's what happened the last few years of the Vietnam war.

70sEraVet

(5,516 posts)
87. I scrolled through the comments to see if anyone disliked the name-calling.....
Fri Apr 10, 2026, 08:46 AM
Friday

aimed at Barron. Didn't find what I was looking for, so decided to put in my own comment.
As far as I know, there have been no indications that Barron has inherited the ethical malignancies of his father. I view him as a young man who hasn't yet stepped out into his own, and who may yet prove himself to be a decent human being.
RFK Jr certainly didn't inherit an 'asshole' gene from his father -- he attained his Asshole-ery all on his own!
I'm sure it can work the other way round.

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