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Fascist propagandist eloon muskkk hoisted on his own petard... (Original Post) Justice matters. 15 hrs ago OP
Hitler was a Nazi-saluting f*cking Nazi, therefore unblock 15 hrs ago #1
And, a minor point - 3_Limes 13 hrs ago #2
Depends on if you're quoting Shakespeare or using modern English. Ilikepurple 12 hrs ago #11
Trump is a Republican ToxMarz 13 hrs ago #3
shhhh niyad 13 hrs ago #4
And/Or PEDO supporters. nt Cha 11 hrs ago #16
Elon was trolling and being an ass as usual and didn't really mean it. That statement is too stupid even for him. Fil1957 13 hrs ago #5
Actually, he really is that fucking stupid. paleotn 12 hrs ago #7
Gee, Elmo, then why were German communists some of the first.... paleotn 12 hrs ago #6
Welp... GB_RN 12 hrs ago #8
The vast majority of German workers under Hitler and the Nazis blue-wave 12 hrs ago #9
IOW -- All Socialists are Bernie. ananda 12 hrs ago #10
Deport him ZDU 12 hrs ago #12
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe 12 hrs ago #13
Also, it's bad logic. It would be like saying, Gaugamela 12 hrs ago #14
Logic 101. If "A implies B" is true, "B implies A" may or may not be true. nt eppur_se_muova 8 hrs ago #18
The Ketamin Kid seems to have lost the plot Hassler 11 hrs ago #15
There was that "Nazi Salute".. no matter Cha 11 hrs ago #17

unblock

(56,247 posts)
1. Hitler was a Nazi-saluting f*cking Nazi, therefore
Fri May 8, 2026, 01:57 PM
15 hrs ago

all Nazi-saluting f*cking Nazis are Hitler.

There. Fixed it.

3_Limes

(566 posts)
2. And, a minor point -
Fri May 8, 2026, 03:29 PM
13 hrs ago

Belive it or not it's 'hoist on his own petard'. Not "hoisted'. Yeah it sounds weird, but many expressions that we borrowed from French way back when don't translate directly.

(Mom was an English professor.)

Ilikepurple

(780 posts)
11. Depends on if you're quoting Shakespeare or using modern English.
Fri May 8, 2026, 04:36 PM
12 hrs ago

I thank you for providing this information in such a polite manner. I hope I’m able to do the same as I’m mot trying to cause offense. This is an attempt to put together what info I have on the subject, so read on if interested.
If one is quoting it’s likely originator Shakespeare, it’d be “hoist with his own petar(d),” but if following decades of popular use either “hoist” or “hoisted” is generally accepted. A petard is an explosive device rather than an impaling one, so it makes more sense to say one is hoist(ed) (raised up) “by” or “with” one rather than “on”. When I first read or heard the expression not knowing what a petard was, I imagined someone being lifted after being impaled by a sword. Yet, years after learning a petard is neither not an instrument by which you can impale someone and then lift them up like in Medieval fiction, it still comes to mind before the, let’s say, antics of Wile E Coyote. Wile E Coyote who has made a career out of being harmed by or with his own designs. I suppose he has at times hoisted himself “on” his own petard whenever he’s straddled an Acme rocket to catch the roadrunner, but that has different meaning.
Although “petar(d)has its roots in French, hoise and its past participle hoist (hoised) have there roots in Middle English (Germanic). I don’t believe the expression’s origin is French rather than another attributable to Shakespeare (Hamlet). Hoisted is now the past participle for hoist and commonly used with this expression. Justice Matters’s use here is commonly accepted outside of English literature classes and isolated cocktail gatherings.

Fil1957

(831 posts)
5. Elon was trolling and being an ass as usual and didn't really mean it. That statement is too stupid even for him.
Fri May 8, 2026, 04:03 PM
13 hrs ago

Although I have to admit I believed he meant it, until I looked into it a bit further.

paleotn

(22,600 posts)
7. Actually, he really is that fucking stupid.
Fri May 8, 2026, 04:17 PM
12 hrs ago

It's not an act. It's a daily occurrence. See below why he ended up so rich despite it.

paleotn

(22,600 posts)
6. Gee, Elmo, then why were German communists some of the first....
Fri May 8, 2026, 04:15 PM
12 hrs ago

to get concentration camped?

Next time you get the urge to think Elmo or any of his compatriots are filthy rich because he's smart, stop yourself and think. No, he's not smart. He shows that day in and day out. He, like most billionaires, simply won the lottery. They were in exactly the right place, at exactly the right time, with the right idea they usually stole from someone else, and a bit more cutthroat than their competition. That's right, Bill Gates, I'm look straight at you too. It's the lottery fallacy. What we think is skill and talent is really just pure chance. And they deserve some kind of special dispensation? Oh, hell no!

GB_RN

(3,584 posts)
8. Welp...
Fri May 8, 2026, 04:20 PM
12 hrs ago

I’m betting “Grok” gets a tune up in the near future. Can’t be countering Reichwing bullshit with actual facts, don’t ya know?

blue-wave

(5,483 posts)
9. The vast majority of German workers under Hitler and the Nazis
Fri May 8, 2026, 04:32 PM
12 hrs ago

saw their wages decrease during Nazi reign. The Nazis outlawed any independent worker movements and replaced them with state sanctioned (Nazi) approved organizations. These state approved groups were not pro-worker but were pro-production. The less you pay each worker, the more workers you can "employ." It wasn't slave labor but not the greatest situation for workers either.

Gaugamela

(3,562 posts)
14. Also, it's bad logic. It would be like saying,
Fri May 8, 2026, 05:05 PM
12 hrs ago

“Matt Damon is an actor, therefore all actors are Matt Damon.”

Or . . .

“Elon Musk is an addict, therefore all addicts are Elon Musk.”

Hassler

(4,955 posts)
15. The Ketamin Kid seems to have lost the plot
Fri May 8, 2026, 05:39 PM
11 hrs ago

He supports fascism. He's a fan of apartheid. Hitler is his role model, or should be.

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