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Graham Platner Owes You Nothing: You Either Want Democrats To Control The Senate Or You Don't (Original Post) DonCoquixote 19 hrs ago OP
Whether you support him or not RandySF 19 hrs ago #1
He already has earned my support. No way Mills doesn't get buried on Tuesday. Akakoji 16 hrs ago #16
Good for you. RandySF 16 hrs ago #17
Mills needs to get back in gulliver 19 hrs ago #2
Mills will not win either the primary or the general. mr715 19 hrs ago #3
She couldn't bother to get out of the chair in her living room Ars Longa 15 hrs ago #36
I supported her until it became clear she didn't want the job. mr715 15 hrs ago #37
Sure, but she got her message through on the zoom town halls. Hassin Bin Sober 13 hrs ago #40
Mills running on a traditionally centrist, establishment Democratic platform Emile 12 hrs ago #44
Jesus! The election is in three days. What the hell don't you understand. NoRethugFriends 18 hrs ago #7
... Intractable 16 hrs ago #19
That's a sure way to lose to Collins. Emile 13 hrs ago #41
Platner all the way! bushalert 19 hrs ago #4
ButT mUH pURiTy!!!!1111 RetiredParatrooper 19 hrs ago #5
These authoritarian threats are tiresome Hawk delisen 19 hrs ago #6
That guy looks like he just woke up from a two week bender MorbidButterflyTat 17 hrs ago #11
Well said, Mahalo!! Cha 13 hrs ago #42
Absolutely fucking terrible message Sympthsical 18 hrs ago #8
I'm glad you said this Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #25
If I were a Maine voter and someone showed me this video Sympthsical 15 hrs ago #28
Exactly. Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #34
Competitive exclusion mr715 14 hrs ago #38
Post removed Post removed 18 hrs ago #9
I guess it's not like females can vote or anything? LisaL 17 hrs ago #13
Women. Any female human who can vote MineralMan 15 hrs ago #22
Dictionary defines "female" as both adjective and a noun. LisaL 15 hrs ago #27
Cops and military people use females. MineralMan 15 hrs ago #31
I am neither a cop nor a military person. LisaL 15 hrs ago #32
Do as you please. MineralMan 15 hrs ago #33
Gurl... sheshe2 15 hrs ago #35
1.) This Is A Site To Support Democrats, "Class-First Populist" Or Not. 2.) Your... ColoringFool 15 hrs ago #21
another male president. We have had plenty of that Pris 15 hrs ago #26
What is a corporate feminist Democrat? obamanut2012 15 hrs ago #29
Damn right! Fuck Fox News and what they want. Initech 18 hrs ago #10
This is what Trumpism has helped bring about Redleg 17 hrs ago #12
For sure. LisaL 17 hrs ago #14
Another binary choice. milestogo 17 hrs ago #15
Fetterman Agrees. ColoringFool 16 hrs ago #18
Does anyone in this thread vote in Maine? MineralMan 16 hrs ago #20
Hawk, The OP's Video Guy, Does Not. I Rest MY Case. ColoringFool 15 hrs ago #23
If a Maine voter comes across this message do you think it will sit well? Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #24
I do. I love Sanders and Warren, but not Platner. I also love GPV 13 hrs ago #39
Republican smear campaign Blue Full Moon 15 hrs ago #30
Ha! no apologies, no "nothing". Cha 12 hrs ago #43
Ro Khanna even said that Platner should apologize Quiet Em 11 hrs ago #45
Precisely, Em. Mahalo for telling us Cha 11 hrs ago #47
Here is Bernie's other protege talking about Platner. LisaL 10 hrs ago #48
Oh yeah I saw that Quiet Em 10 hrs ago #49
It is a mess. LisaL 10 hrs ago #51
We haven't Quiet Em 10 hrs ago #52
Maybe Bernie should have checked this before endorsing this guy? LisaL 10 hrs ago #53
Oh, that's richly ironic. betsuni 11 hrs ago #46
By the way, why assume Platner is the best chance to beat Collins? LisaL 10 hrs ago #50
Yes, keep reminding ourselves. We are not getting that pony. Walleye 10 hrs ago #54

RandySF

(87,130 posts)
1. Whether you support him or not
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:08 PM
19 hrs ago

He’s still one of three primary candidates and it’s on him to earn support.

Akakoji

(583 posts)
16. He already has earned my support. No way Mills doesn't get buried on Tuesday.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 04:51 PM
16 hrs ago

I can't vote for him, but I've been sending money. Mills has zero chance to win anything. I so wish people would stop falling for this garbage.

mr715

(4,546 posts)
3. Mills will not win either the primary or the general.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:20 PM
19 hrs ago

She has no money, and look at the polls.

If she couldn't hack 3 town halls, she won't beat Collins.

Ars Longa

(617 posts)
36. She couldn't bother to get out of the chair in her living room
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:26 PM
15 hrs ago

to have townhalls with her constituents…

mr715

(4,546 posts)
37. I supported her until it became clear she didn't want the job.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:28 PM
15 hrs ago

She ran a 'campaign' as though she were owed something.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,519 posts)
40. Sure, but she got her message through on the zoom town halls.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:01 PM
13 hrs ago

The message was contempt for the voters but it got through!

Emile

(43,743 posts)
44. Mills running on a traditionally centrist, establishment Democratic platform
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:13 PM
12 hrs ago

is a sure loser.

RetiredParatrooper

(257 posts)
5. ButT mUH pURiTy!!!!1111
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:28 PM
19 hrs ago

'You want to win an argument. You don't want to win elections'.

Perfectly stated.

delisen

(7,459 posts)
6. These authoritarian threats are tiresome Hawk
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:34 PM
19 hrs ago

When you have to threaten democratic voters and call them names you are getting kind of , well, Trumpian.

Trump threatens us and calls us names because he hates democracy and wants to crush us while stealing everything we have.

I think you are just angry because you see a plan for victory possibly slipping away.

If you want to influence democrats I think it best to just make your case without the attacks and insults

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,869 posts)
11. That guy looks like he just woke up from a two week bender
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 03:49 PM
17 hrs ago

Don't think I need to listen to that.

Sympthsical

(11,202 posts)
8. Absolutely fucking terrible message
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:56 PM
18 hrs ago

I'm fairly chill about the Platner stuff (and frankly tired of it dominating discussion forever and ever of late).

But, no. No one - anywhere - should be telling voters a candidate or politician owes them nothing.

Politics is not a fandom. Platner is not Chappelle Roan.

Politicians earn votes. He will either persuade people or he will not.

Platner's probably going to win Tuesday. And that's fine. If/When he does, then let's get Collins out of there.

But foul-mouthed diatribes from what looks like a half-unhoused alcoholic is not it. Nice applause video for people on social media, but for the love of god, never show this to actual Maine voters. There are probably people either on the fence, unconvinced, or uncomfortable with voting for Platner who can be nudged into ultimately doing it in the general.

You don't manage that via this mess.

"This politician owes you nothing" is the absolute antithesis of both Democratic and democratic thinking. Terrible. Not just terrible, stupid. This man is stupid. I do not want this man in contact with voters. Ever.

Quiet Em

(3,149 posts)
25. I'm glad you said this
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 05:59 PM
15 hrs ago

Really stupid message. I don't think this message does the Platner campaign any good.

Sympthsical

(11,202 posts)
28. If I were a Maine voter and someone showed me this video
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:09 PM
15 hrs ago

I would be sorely tempted to vote against Platner in the primary out of pure spite. A politician owes voters nothing? Well, bub in the unabomber cabin, voters owe politicians even less.

His "fans" have not been doing him any favors in the past week. I haven't loved how any of this is going down at this late stage. But now the pendulum is swinging in the other direction, where it's like, "Ok, but I don't want to be associated with these people either . . ."

Who's that third guy? Can we still go with that third guy?

That's what's been kind of a little funny about this. Mills is a non-entity in this race. Lacks all charisma and energy. There's a third option standing right there, and absolutely no one has tried to promote him in any meaningful way.

It feels like the two sides are getting addicted to the moderate vs. progressive slapfight as proxy for the party at large. Which I get. But they're all being weird about it now.

mr715

(4,546 posts)
38. Competitive exclusion
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:36 PM
14 hrs ago

The third guy is a progressive and that bumps against Platner who has more press, more money, and has actually done the foot work.

Maine voters, based on the polls, like what Platner is selling.

There simply is no niche for Costello to occupy.

Response to DonCoquixote (Original post)

MineralMan

(151,825 posts)
22. Women. Any female human who can vote
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 05:51 PM
15 hrs ago

Is a woman. Using "female" as a noun is a misogynistic habit. Women vote. They are female citizens. Female is a adjective, not a noun, when speaking of human beings.

LisaL

(47,797 posts)
27. Dictionary defines "female" as both adjective and a noun.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:05 PM
15 hrs ago

Female
noun
: a female person : a woman or a girl

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

And yes, by all means, lets debate correct use of word female rather than certain candidate's issues.

MineralMan

(151,825 posts)
31. Cops and military people use females.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:17 PM
15 hrs ago

Thinking people do not. People who care do not. "FEMALES" is dehumanizing.

LisaL

(47,797 posts)
32. I am neither a cop nor a military person.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:19 PM
15 hrs ago

And I always considered myself a thinking person.
Oh yea, and I am a female.

ColoringFool

(1,247 posts)
21. 1.) This Is A Site To Support Democrats, "Class-First Populist" Or Not. 2.) Your...
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 05:48 PM
15 hrs ago

terms "feminist Democrat" and "female Fortune 500 CEOs" are intended to be denigrating, are they not (rhetorical)?

3.) Your claim to know not only what "non-college educated whites" think but also that they think it "justifiably" is quite the patting-of-one's-self-on-the back-type clairvoyance.

4.) That you apparently believe your example of what Democrats "care more about" AND that such an example is...justifiable, IS PATENTLY ABSURD BORDERING ON BIZARRE.

How DARE you posit that Democrats have not historically been on the side of and have since 1935 been trying to pass legislation to help the "non-college educated," the downtrodden, the working poor, the hungry, the infirm, the elderly, the homeless (Kamala had a well-considered housing plan): Social Security; Medicare; Medicaid; SNAP; Workmen's Comp; Unemployment Benefits; Minimum Wage; Child Labor Laws; OSHA; the ACA; the now-defunct Biden Capping of Insulin Costs; and more.

Initech

(109,422 posts)
10. Damn right! Fuck Fox News and what they want.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 03:11 PM
18 hrs ago

The GOP has literally given us nothing and now we're stuck with the most toxic and vile administration in United States history, they all must be fired.

Redleg

(7,045 posts)
12. This is what Trumpism has helped bring about
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 03:53 PM
17 hrs ago

A race to the bottom. While we have always had flawed politicians, it seems to me that more of these fuckers are running for office and in some cases, winning elections. Our tolerance has grown for these flawed fuckers and we are willing to support them if we think they will win. I don't know if we will be able to change this sorry course we're on.

Quiet Em

(3,149 posts)
24. If a Maine voter comes across this message do you think it will sit well?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 05:57 PM
15 hrs ago

Really stupid GOTV message if you ask me.

GPV

(73,408 posts)
39. I do. I love Sanders and Warren, but not Platner. I also love
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 07:58 PM
13 hrs ago

how he's been crowned before the primary by people who don't even live here.

Blue Full Moon

(3,714 posts)
30. Republican smear campaign
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 06:14 PM
15 hrs ago

I guess republican propaganda is now allowed. The woman accusing Platner is a Heritage Foundation operative. Said that democrats were just smearing Kavanaugh.

Quiet Em

(3,149 posts)
45. Ro Khanna even said that Platner should apologize
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:09 PM
11 hrs ago

"He should apologize. I believe what he did was wrong, was misogynistic, was toxic or volatile. I know he’s ashamed of it and I certainly think it would be appropriate to apologize and say how he now understands why it’s important to stand up to a misogynistic culture.” - Ro Khanna at Platner's rally

and then there is Bernie Sanders when asked if he was given assurances that nothing else would drop

“I didn’t get any assurances, all right?” Sanders replied.


https://www.pressherald.com/2026/06/04/platner-bragged-of-nazi-tattoo-to-ex-physically-threatened-another-new-york-times-report-says/

meanwhile AOC does not want to wade into this at all

I really just wanted to stay out of this Platner fight until the primary votes were counted and the result was definitive, but this podcast guy being brought into the forum discussion, whose message is politically stupid, unhelpful and is being used to create unneccessary division is not something I will ignore.

Platner is the very likely Democratic nominee for Maine Senate. We need a high turnout and every vote we can get to win this seat in the general election. Maine Democrats are not going to vote for Susan Collins. Why piss any of them off on purpose?

Cha

(321,113 posts)
47. Precisely, Em. Mahalo for telling us
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:32 PM
11 hrs ago

What Ro Kanna had to say about it, too.

When the Democrats in Maine have their candidate, we will all get behind the winner.

☮️💙🌻🕯️🕊️

LisaL

(47,797 posts)
48. Here is Bernie's other protege talking about Platner.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:37 PM
10 hrs ago

"Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman has offered a unique wager to Maine Democratic Senate candidate Graham Platner: Fetterman will abandon his signature casual wardrobe and wear a suit every day if Platner can definitively prove he never sent explicit photos to minors."
https://www.tampafp.com/pennsylvania-sen-fetterman-drops-bomb-ill-suit-up-if-p-hustle-proves-no-underage-sexting/

Quiet Em

(3,149 posts)
49. Oh yeah I saw that
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:46 PM
10 hrs ago

thankfully one of the smartest things the Platner campaign has done is to ignore Fetterman.

For awhile i thought Fetterman was just warped because he spends too much time on X and Fox News and that was why he's like this. (My kindest take because I was never a fan of his.)

Now I do think he is not well.

What a mess.

LisaL

(47,797 posts)
51. It is a mess.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:49 PM
10 hrs ago

I don't see it getting better with this particular candidate either.
I don't think we heard the last of the revelations.

Quiet Em

(3,149 posts)
52. We haven't
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:59 PM
10 hrs ago

Pretty much every Democratic Senator has alluded to that.

When Senator Warren asked him about stuff that has not even reported to the public and Bernie said he could not give any assurances, and all the others, sigh

LisaL

(47,797 posts)
50. By the way, why assume Platner is the best chance to beat Collins?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:48 PM
10 hrs ago

Do people really think all these revelations are irrelevant?

"Graham Platner’s path to the Senate in Maine has narrowed sharply after fresh allegations surfaced, with his chances now at their lowest point since he entered the race in August 2025, according to prediction market data."

https://www.newsweek.com/graham-platner-chances-winning-plunge-ex-girlfriends-report-12035097

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