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DavidDvorkin

(20,759 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:32 PM 1 hr ago

I think Trump believes his weird lies are true

Perhaps while napping he dreamed that Meloni begged him for a photo op and that Iran agreed to all of his demands. Then, when he woke up, he thought it all really happened.

Of course, he could knowingly be making things up, but in that case, would he really think that his insistence that these lies are true would somehow change reality or compel other people to treat them as true?

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unblock

(56,311 posts)
2. He lives in a world where he can simply declare the world is the way he wishes it to be,
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:40 PM
1 hr ago

then berate anyone who disagrees until he has enough people around him saying yes, absolutely, the world is exactly as you say it is. And anyone who still disagrees is deemed an enemy and punished severely.

In anyone else, everyone would recognize this as a form of insanity, or in any event a remarkably maladaptive strategy for coping with reality.

But he has 30% or so of the country behind him, thanks to a pathetically obliging media, so he has gotten away with it for far, far too long.

RockRaven

(20,040 posts)
3. I think he has an aberrant epistemology. His notion of what is true or how to know what is true
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:41 PM
1 hr ago

is out of line with just about every other person on earth. Truly deranged and warped, unrecognizable to most people.

As such, asking whether he believes something to be true is sort of pointless. A yes or no doesn't mean the same thing as it would if you asked the same question about you or me or almost anyone else.

Disaffected

(6,692 posts)
4. That is a question that has always puzzled me.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 07:03 PM
45 min ago

Is Trump making up lies or does he actually believe the BS he spouts. I'm guessing it is some combination of the two but how to tell on a claim (lie) by claim basis?

blm

(114,834 posts)
5. He knows he is lying and counts on the stupidity and laziness of his followers AND his opponents.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 07:19 PM
30 min ago

He has done this his entire life.

Ms. Toad

(38,899 posts)
6. I'm pretty sure he does.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 07:24 PM
24 min ago

It is, unfortunately, a patten I am very familiar with from a personal perspective.

My spouse has been diagnosed with mild cognitive impairment (for years - I now suspect it is diabetes-related, but the cause is not important).

For years she has spun tall tales, and once she has said it out loud once no one can dissuade her that it is just a tall tale.

Our daughter (below age 2) had suspected UTI as a child and they needed a sample. She peed on the examining table. The resident did try to suction up some with a tube (bad enough), but the story my spouse tells is that he got a straw and used his mouth to suck it up.

My spouse's grandmother died of a UTI. Prior to that time, she was responsive, but not coherent. When we entered the room she would turn toward us and try to speak. It came out ba-ba-ba-ba, but she was conscious and responded to everyone who entered and tried to communicate even though she couldn't form words. My spouse insists her grandmother was comatose, which is why my SIL decided not to treat her final UTI. I've told her she's wrong but she refuses to believe it. More recently, she said that in the presence of at least two sisters - who looked at her like she had lost her mind. They told her she is wrong - but she insists her grandmother was comatose for months (or possibly even years) before she died.

The most bizarre "memory" is from traveling, where not only the events are off - but she believes something which happened to me actually happened to her. Some kids in the Soviet Union approached me and said something in stilted English - I don't recall what it is, but just kids trying out a language they didn't know well. In my spouse's memory, they approached **her** and said, "Hey, what's happening? (like they were copying a phrase they had seen on TV and trying to be slick)"

It was clear to me that she really "remembers" all of these (and more) that way - and truly believes she is accurately reciting events. Mostly I try to live in her world, unless the story she is telling could harm someone (e.g. the reputation of the local Children's hospital in the first instance). Her stories are entertaining (like many of Trump's are to people looking for a good story) - so people enjoy them and, for the most part, there isn't any reason to correct her.

My understanding that she really believes her memory was objectively confirmed when she had an extensive battery of tests for dementia. One of the tasks was to look at a picture and draw it from memory. During the second and third (at least) sessions, she had to draw the same picture from memory. In the first redrawing, she messed a few things up. Every subsequent redrawing was line-for-line a copy of her first inaccurate memory - which is the exact same thing I had been seeing for a couple of years at that point.

Suffice it to say - it is scary how much I see of my spouse's cognitive impairment I see in Trump.

surrealAmerican

(11,947 posts)
7. How do you even communicate with someone who doesn't believe in objective reality?
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 07:41 PM
8 min ago

It's not just the president, it's most of the right. They make things up, that they then believe to be true.

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