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Joinfortmill

(22,021 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 07:46 AM Jun 28

Trump has lied, cheated and stolen his way through his entire life, and likely much worse...

So, is it really such a leap to think that he and his billionaire cronies didn't steal the Presidential election for him? I think not. We probably did elect our first woman President in 2024. I hope that we can someday prove he cheated his way into the White House.

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Trump has lied, cheated and stolen his way through his entire life, and likely much worse... (Original Post) Joinfortmill Jun 28 OP
Of this I feel certain: if he didn't steal the election, it's not because he wouldn't. n/t Mister Ed Jun 28 #1
Exactly PatSeg Jun 28 #14
Considering he's already openly trying to, B.See Jun 28 #42
I totally agree 👍👍 TommieMommy Jun 28 #2
Doubting malaise agrees with you malaise Jun 28 #3
100% debsy Jun 28 #4
We should have a standing offer of $10,000,000 for anyone to come forward KS Toronado Jun 28 #5
Here you go Botany Jun 28 #8
Anyone who orchestrated an insurrection four years earlier because they lost an election, Emile Jun 28 #6
Pick your preferred AG Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #19
Elon Musk has admitted to stealing the election. Botany Jun 28 #7
Agree 100% karin_sj Jun 28 #9
Common sense would indicate the election was stolen Grim Chieftain Jun 28 #10
Exactly my thoughts Grim Chieftain. Diamond_Dog Jun 28 #11
It's entirely possible Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #21
Remember when this GOBBER said the quiet part out loud. Voter suppression will give Mitt Romney the election Maraya1969 Jun 28 #36
Yes, their ratfuckery and chicanery is visible for all to see Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #38
Actually, truly common sense would indicate exactly the opposite Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #20
It appears you are working overtime to say Trump "won" fair and square Grim Chieftain Jun 28 #23
Just standing up for reality Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #27
The idea of Individual One stealing the Presidency may have a certain emotional appeal, BUT Vogon_Glory Jun 28 #12
LOL popsdenver Jun 28 #16
Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity Vogon_Glory Jun 28 #34
Yes popsdenver Jun 29 #44
Some memorable Trump quotes ahead of the 2024 election. OGBuzz Jun 28 #13
"In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote." Seinan Sensei Jun 28 #28
We all have suspicions ... I know I do ... FakeNoose Jun 28 #15
Are you suggesting that Democratic governors and secretaries of state withheld evidence of electoral fraud? Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #22
Sorry I didn't mean anything like that FakeNoose Jun 28 #29
Musk orthoclad Jun 28 #17
Your presumption is flawed logically Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #18
Well, not surprisingly, I disagree. Lol. Joinfortmill Jun 28 #24
Your gut feeling versus evidence EdmondDantes_ Jun 28 #40
I never mentioned gut feelings. Joinfortmill Jun 28 #41
The Republicans have tried to steal every election since 2000. waterwatcher123 Jun 28 #25
Then how come the candidate Musk invested millions in lost the WI Supreme Court race? Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #26
I do not believe they tamper with every race. waterwatcher123 Jun 28 #32
Oops - I meant a stingray machine. waterwatcher123 Jun 28 #33
So they can rig a nationwide election undetected by any state or precinct Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #35
Flawed logic? Maybe examine your own arguments. waterwatcher123 Jun 28 #37
Since 1960 dave99 Jun 28 #31
It probably killed too dave99 Jun 28 #30
If we find out it's true, and dlilafae Jun 28 #39
Let's not forget 2016, either dlk Jun 28 #43

PatSeg

(54,212 posts)
14. Exactly
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:47 AM
Jun 28

It is his nature to cheat and lie, it is not just a fallback option. If he CAN steal something, he will. That is who he is and has been his entire life.

KS Toronado

(24,315 posts)
5. We should have a standing offer of $10,000,000 for anyone to come forward
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:51 AM
Jun 28

that has knowledge how Musk did it, or even a computer hacker who can discover how it was done
and can prove it.

Botany

(78,395 posts)
8. Here you go
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:01 AM
Jun 28
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

They also cheated by voter caging, through the U.S.P.S. and rejecting @ least 1/2 a million
ballots by claiming the signatures didn’t match.



Emile

(44,298 posts)
6. Anyone who orchestrated an insurrection four years earlier because they lost an election,
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:52 AM
Jun 28

is more than likely to steal the very next election.

Garland failed the United States by not prosecuting the SOB! Trump should be in prison right now!

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
19. Pick your preferred AG
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:36 AM
Jun 28

And the results would have been exactly the same:

No Trump trial before the election

AG’s don’t have the power to determine trial dates/schedules, or the speed of rulings on objections or appeals- those are all controlled by the courts, ultimately the Roberts court, who is the true villain in the story of how Trump escaped Justice, not Garland.

Botany

(78,395 posts)
7. Elon Musk has admitted to stealing the election.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:56 AM
Jun 28

Musk, “I had a special app that let me see the returns early.” Rough quote.
I.O.W.s he was into the data which was illegal. That was not an app that was a HACK.

Grim Chieftain

(2,403 posts)
10. Common sense would indicate the election was stolen
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:20 AM
Jun 28

I am too Trump weary to give all the details that scream "stolen" but just consider Kamala's overflow crowds while his venues got smaller and smaller because attendance was paltry, the crowds who stood in line for hours to attend her rallies, for him - not so much. I recall Obama at one of Kamala's rallies telling those in attendance "If you haven't voted, go now! Go vote!" Trump announced to his crowd "I don't need your votes. We've got this," or words to that effect. Who says that? Every candidate wants each and every vote, but not him. Why is that?

I am so sick and tired of this evil felon getting away with everything. He robbed us of our election and in so doing robbed us of our democracy.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
21. It's entirely possible
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:47 AM
Jun 28

Especially when nine million fewer voters showed up at the polls in 2024 compared to 2020.

Reminder: Biden won in 2020 by 88,000 votes in three states, so the possibility of Trump winning every swing state is not preposterous, but quite realistic, especially when including the dramatically reduced turnout in 2024.

Maraya1969

(23,630 posts)
36. Remember when this GOBBER said the quiet part out loud. Voter suppression will give Mitt Romney the election
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 12:51 PM
Jun 28

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
38. Yes, their ratfuckery and chicanery is visible for all to see
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:16 PM
Jun 28

No need to resort to evidence-free kooky CT nonsense when we can see how they have put their Republican thumbs on the scale for several cycles now.

But that’s not why Trump won in 2024.

Nine million fewer voters, mostly by choice, not suppression, is all the evidence needed.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
20. Actually, truly common sense would indicate exactly the opposite
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:41 AM
Jun 28

Nine million fewer people voted in 2024 compared to 2020, more than enough to explain Trump’s victory, especially considering he only lost by 88,000 votes in three states in 2020.

Coupled with a Democratic campaign crippled by Biden’s refusal to be the one term “transitional” president he promised to be, denying voters a true open primary, and giving Harris a truncated campaign period to make her case to the voters, Trump’s victory shouldn’t shock anyone.

Vogon_Glory

(10,455 posts)
12. The idea of Individual One stealing the Presidency may have a certain emotional appeal, BUT
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:38 AM
Jun 28

I believe that he won in 2016. And again in 2024 because of the carelessness, laziness, cluelessness and apathy of a majority of the American electorate.

I’m a Texan, a Texan who has had his heart broken time and time again by the indifference and sloth of my state’s voters. For over two decades, I’ve asked myself “How the Hell did this happen?” And have asked myself WHY did this happen, despite the Good Guys’ efforts at voter outreach and the ugly consequences of Republican governance.

And this is just Texas. The pattern has been repeated again and again across Old Dixie, Appalachia, and out into the prairies and out onto the Great Plains.

This has only so much to do with corrupted elections and lots more to do with voter laziness and willing self-delusion. Scammers succeed because their targets are willing to be suckers. I believe that the Republicans won in large part because of this, not because of some conspiratorial infrastructure.



I hope for a better future, I’ll fight the good fight, but I fear that a comeback for compassion and genuine decency would require an evolutionary-scale change in American thinking.

popsdenver

(2,893 posts)
16. LOL
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:23 AM
Jun 28

I clearly dispute your thinking, amigo........

Especially after the 1980 election, the 2000 election, and the 2004 election......In all three of those, the Republicans not only committed fraud, but outright Treason.................

Vogon_Glory

(10,455 posts)
34. Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:52 AM
Jun 28

And the last thirty years have demonstrated that the American voter pool is well-stocked by what Bugs Bunney described as Gulla-Maroons.

This is not to say that the Good Guys and others who believe in free and fair elections should either let down their guard or do nothing in the face of “Conservative” efforts to corrupt the voting system, but a plurality of American voters have shown themselves to be careless, lazy, and inattentive even without “help” from right-wing presstitutes and propagandists.

popsdenver

(2,893 posts)
44. Yes
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 12:12 PM
Jun 29

The perfect title for a book about the past 46+ years would be: WHILE THE NATION SLEPT

The Dems were walking down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes, and were completely oblivious to the herd of charging elephants.......Pun Intended.............

Some of us here, were screaming our heads off, from the rooftops since 1979....and it fell on deaf ears......dems were calling us fanatical, left wing democrats........Hell, there was even a group that called themselves "Reagan Democrats" who were already drinking the kool aid, while watching HWBush's CABAL take a wrecking ball to the Middle Class.....

OGBuzz

(988 posts)
13. Some memorable Trump quotes ahead of the 2024 election.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:44 AM
Jun 28

"We don't need the votes".
"I have so many votes".
"Don't worry about the votes".

It's almost like he knew.

Seinan Sensei

(1,745 posts)
28. "In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:06 AM
Jun 28

July 2024

FakeNoose

(43,271 posts)
15. We all have suspicions ... I know I do ...
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:07 AM
Jun 28

A lot of the data that would convict him of election fraud is currently in the hands of the various states and can't easily be confiscated. We would need a Congressional Investigation with subpoena power, such as was done for the Watergate hearings.

When would that happen? Probably not until after Chump is dead and gone.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
22. Are you suggesting that Democratic governors and secretaries of state withheld evidence of electoral fraud?
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:49 AM
Jun 28

That would have to be true to prove your assertion.

FakeNoose

(43,271 posts)
29. Sorry I didn't mean anything like that
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:10 AM
Jun 28

What I meant was that each state runs its own election, according to the Constitution. We've always had it that way and it needs to continue that way. However there's no quick way to look up the election data in a federal archive because is no such thing. It needs to stay that way.

orthoclad

(5,343 posts)
17. Musk
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:25 AM
Jun 28

Always look to the billionaires.

I think of T two ways:
- a seed crystal for hate to form a movement around
- a rodeo clown capering to draw the bull's attention away from the rider

He was a very convenient tv personality to take advantage of. He shaved a whole generation off the oligarchy's plan to seize all power. Sure Russia recruited him, but they probably recruited lots of personalities. Maybe Putin is responsible for pushing him forward into the political limelight, where our domestic villains took over.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
18. Your presumption is flawed logically
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:26 AM
Jun 28

Last edited Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Yes, Trump has cheated and stolen his entire life, but the logical conclusion isn’t that he stole the 2024 election, it is that he would want to steal the election, as he wanted to in 2020, but failed.

2024 election denialism is as kooky and evidence free as 2020 election denialism.

There is as much verifiable evidence that the 2024 election was stolen as there is that the 2020 election was stolen: ZERO

Denialism is a faulty coping mechanism to avoid the painful emotions that come with accepting the reality that Trump won a second term. It keeps the believer stuck in the Denial and Anger stages of the grieving cycle, making it more difficult to effectively address the very real challenges that lie before us.

The simple, painful fact is, nine million fewer people voted in 2024 compared to 2020 , more than enough to explain Trump’s victory, especially considering he only lost by 88,000 votes in three states in 2020.

But that fact won’t stop this kooky, CT nonsense-filled post from rising to the top of the Greatest Page, just like all the other 2024 Election Denial posts do.

EdmondDantes_

(2,357 posts)
40. Your gut feeling versus evidence
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:54 PM
Jun 28

The election totals matched the audits. There are protections in the system. There are Democrats up and down the electoral process. The voting matched the preelection polls. The Harris campaign didn't complain.

It's absolutely unfounded conspiracy theory nonsense and should be treated as such.

Joinfortmill

(22,021 posts)
41. I never mentioned gut feelings.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 02:08 PM
Jun 28

I said the possibility exists based on Donald's past behaviors, which are public knowledge. We disagree, no need to be rude.

waterwatcher123

(578 posts)
25. The Republicans have tried to steal every election since 2000.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:54 AM
Jun 28

My guess is Trump invested a great deal in trying to steal the 2020 election and it did not work (which is part of his obsession with it).

Elon Musk was sued by customers who said there was an algorithm installed in Tesla's to prematurely advance milage (warranty claims). If he had the audacity and technology to do this to his own customers, it is not much of a leap to believe he would do the same in the election (he had the results four hours before anyone else).

It is very hard to detect the electronic theft of an election in part due to the wild swings in voting behavior from election to election. The Republicans, or their partners, were very clumsy in the early days (machines that counted backwards, man in the middle schemes that were thwarted, etc). But they have progressively gotten better with each successive election.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
26. Then how come the candidate Musk invested millions in lost the WI Supreme Court race?
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:02 AM
Jun 28

If he had the power to flip votes and determine the winner across 50 states, then how come his chosen candidate in one state race, who he invested much time, money, and most importantly, EGO, in promoting, lost?

waterwatcher123

(578 posts)
32. I do not believe they tamper with every race.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:42 AM
Jun 28

Tampering with every race would draw too much attention.

There were certainly plenty of people who voted for the orange felon. But the results are hard to buy (win every swing state below the margin to trigger an automatic recount, under votes, over votes that make no sense).

Everyone has a different take on this idea of stolen elections. However there have been plenty of examples of electronic tampering that have been well documented (Conyers Report from 2004, Clinton Curtis from 2000, Anonymous when they said they intervened to stop a man in the middle scheme). Computer scientists have also repeatedly demonstrated that it is easy to hack the election machines themselves.
The Muller Report also said Russians were inside the election machinery in many states (clearly for a reason).

It would be extremely hard to catch an electronic theft because it does not have to leave a trace or footprints, or produce unbelievable results. A stingray ray machine could be used to catch results in transit and files altered on the fly and it very hard to know if it was manipulated in any way.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,668 posts)
35. So they can rig a nationwide election undetected by any state or precinct
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:55 AM
Jun 28

But draw the line at rigging a state Supreme Court election because it might “draw too much attention”?

Can you not see the flawed logic in that point of view?

Zero evidence of a stolen election doesn’t mean they successfully rigged it undetected, it means it didn’t happen , especially in light of all the Democratic victories since then in places that are historically strong republican districts - surely republicans would have rigged those elections too to keep republicans in office, no?

waterwatcher123

(578 posts)
37. Flawed logic? Maybe examine your own arguments.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:04 PM
Jun 28

Zero evidence is not true. The 2004 presidential election had plenty of ignored evidence in Ohio. It had enough "abnormalities" for the Ohio Congressional delegation to hold up the certification. No one wants to believe it is possible. But, if you are going to tamper with an election outcome, it is easier to do it electronically than any other way.

I am not going argue with you because you are convinced you are right. I have paid very close attention to this issue for the past 26 years and there are plenty of disturbing instances where electronic voting did not function the way it was intended (again, read the Conyer's report from 2004). It does not mean that there is an intervention in every state or Congressional race.

dlilafae

(516 posts)
39. If we find out it's true, and
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:49 PM
Jun 28

he cheated and Kamala won, I want her to be given her rightful spot as president.

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