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dalton99a

(96,547 posts)
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 02:30 PM Jul 1

Ohio AG: 'Almost indescribable', details released about scene after 16 children found in 'deplorable' conditions

https://www.wsaz.com/2026/07/01/ag-almost-beyond-comprehension-details-released-about-scene-after-children-found-deplorable-conditions/

AG: ‘Almost indescribable’, details released about scene after children found in ‘deplorable’ conditions
UPDATE 7/1/26 @ 1:14 p.m.

VINTON COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) - It’s a case officials are calling “almost indescribable.” Ohio Attorney General Andy Wilson released new information about a child neglect case in Vinton County Wednesday afternoon, along with Sheriff Ryan Cain and other investigators.

Four people were arrested and charged after investigators searched a home in the Hamden area and discovered 16 children inside Tuesday.

AG Wilson said seven of those children were taken to Columbus hospitals, and at least two of them were life-flighted. He said the children have limited communication skills, and some of them can’t communicate at all. They range in ages from one and a half to 18 years old.

Gary Siders Sr., Gary Siders Jr., Christina Siders, and Elizabeth Siders are all facing 16 second-degree felony counts of child endangerment in the case.

Sheriff Ryan Cain described it as a “disgusting scene”, and mentioned that most livestock is kept in better conditions than these children were. Cain said a large number of the children were kept in a roughly 12x12 area, which he said seems to be where they spent most of the last four years.

When asked, officials said neighbors in the area had no idea there were even children inside the home.
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Ohio AG: 'Almost indescribable', details released about scene after 16 children found in 'deplorable' conditions (Original Post) dalton99a Jul 1 OP
I thought it would be ICE detention. ananda Jul 1 #1
Me, too! ShazzieB Jul 1 #12
"Intra family sutuation" cops said BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 1 #2
I feel so bad for those kids, and probably for the women on the left obamanut2012 Jul 1 #3
Did you read the March 2024 Atlantic Mag article on DNA tracing & incest? irisblue Jul 1 #7
Yes! It was terrible obamanut2012 Jul 2 #38
The younger woman is listed at 33. LisaL Jul 1 #25
The older woman would have been 49 at his birth. Authorities Maru Kitteh Jul 1 #36
If the younger woman is the mother of all these kids, LisaL Jul 1 #37
The youngest 6 were 3 sets of twins, and their mother was raped at 15 (or 14) RandomNumbers Jul 2 #42
West Virginia let them get married when she was 15 and he was 19. LisaL Jul 2 #43
The girl's parents signed off, as did the judge RandomNumbers Jul 2 #44
Well, she was definetely pregnant because baby appeared LisaL Jul 2 #47
I googled it. LisaL Jul 2 #45
This does not appear to be a case of incest. LisaL Jul 2 #41
Like a horror movie. dalton99a Jul 1 #5
what an absolute horror show LymphocyteLover Jul 1 #18
Looks like narcotics might have played a role. Laffy Kat Jul 1 #31
All of them look JustAnotherGen Jul 1 #33
transients Blue Full Moon Jul 1 #4
They all lived in OH. LisaL Jul 1 #23
They moved around another article stated that they were Blue Full Moon Jul 1 #26
Yet another article said they lived there for four years. LisaL Jul 1 #32
Vinton County, Ohio demographics. yardwork Jul 1 #6
Good lord. I just found out my brother (a minister) is moving to that part of OHIO Wiz Imp Jul 1 #8
Exactly WinstonSmith4740 Jul 1 #11
Southeast Ohio. SergeStorms Jul 1 #13
of course rightwing media will find some way to blame this on the left, assuming they talk about it LymphocyteLover Jul 1 #17
Of course. SergeStorms Jul 1 #21
"small town values" are highly overrated Skittles Jul 1 #14
No he didn't and it's more than a few counties. Blue Full Moon Jul 1 #27
I have a friend who lived in Vinton County oberle Jul 1 #35
Those poor kids. I hope (for them) that they find a way to thrive in this world. chowder66 Jul 1 #9
Seems pretty clear these kids will have a lot of issues. LisaL Jul 1 #34
Wonder if it will turn out the adults were part of or created their own brand of christian religious nut job. mwmisses4289 Jul 1 #10
gods? Skittles Jul 1 #15
You have to get a license to fish. SergeStorms Jul 1 #16
There are no medical recoreds or schools records. No one knew they existed BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 1 #19
Yep. That's my point. SergeStorms Jul 1 #22
I think what you are suggesting here is eugenics. LisaL Jul 1 #24
Not at all. SergeStorms Jul 2 #40
Very early in my peds nurse practitioner career, I found myself thinking... 3catwoman3 Jul 3 #54
Happy retirement! SergeStorms Jul 3 #55
Deport those monsters back to the shithole they came from IronLionZion Jul 1 #20
This one woman had 16 kids, JFC (literally)... wcmagumba Jul 1 #28
Considering she was raped at 15, maybe younger, thrown into marriage at 15 RandomNumbers Jul 2 #46
As far as I can tell, this would not qualify as a statutory rape in West Virginia, LisaL Jul 2 #48
Yeah I missed that there is the "age difference" component for it to be "statutory" RandomNumbers Jul 2 #49
That young woman needs a good lawyer. LisaL Jul 3 #50
Oops malaise Jul 1 #29
Not a Haitian among them. yardwork Jul 1 #30
....and yet gay texan Jul 2 #39
Glad there is intervention in this horrible set of circumstances. democrank Jul 3 #51
This sounds very similar to the Turpin case from about 10 years ago. n/t Captain Stern Jul 3 #52
I think this one is even worse from what we are told. LisaL Jul 3 #53

ShazzieB

(23,147 posts)
12. Me, too!
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 04:38 PM
Jul 1

That's immediately where my mind went. "Oh, my god, what has ICE done NOW?"

This is horrible either way of course, but phrases like "prolonged and extreme interfamilial neglect and abuse" add an layer extra layer of horror to the story.

obamanut2012

(29,821 posts)
3. I feel so bad for those kids, and probably for the women on the left
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 02:43 PM
Jul 1

This is going to be a terrible incest case, in part.

obamanut2012

(29,821 posts)
38. Yes! It was terrible
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 06:01 AM
Jul 2

Yet not surprising. Terrible in that incest rape/birth is so prevalent.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
25. The younger woman is listed at 33.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 06:54 PM
Jul 1

The oldest child is reportedly 18. Assuming that's her child, she had that child at 15. So yes, I am not sure if she should be considered a victim or a perp here.

Maru Kitteh

(32,164 posts)
36. The older woman would have been 49 at his birth. Authorities
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 10:19 PM
Jul 1

described it in another report as" a grandfather, grandmother, father, mother situation.”



LisaL

(48,267 posts)
37. If the younger woman is the mother of all these kids,
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 10:48 PM
Jul 1

she was constantly pregnant starting at age 15. And the kids were obviously not well taken care of. Boggles the mind.

RandomNumbers

(19,388 posts)
42. The youngest 6 were 3 sets of twins, and their mother was raped at 15 (or 14)
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:32 PM
Jul 2
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/central-ohio-news/what-we-know-about-vinton-county-family-after-16-children-rescued-from-horrific-conditions/

NBC4 learned from court records that the ages of the children are 18, 16, 15, 14, 13, 11, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4 (twins), 2 (twins) and 1.5 years (twins).


Age 15 is below the age of consent anywhere in the U.S. (right? I am not a lawyer but I sure as hell hope that's true).

And depending when into her 15th year ... perhaps the rape occurred when she was 14.

Given that the article at the OP link says

Officials said as the investigation has progressed, they have learned that members of the Siders family have lived in multiple Ohio counties since 2008.

Investigators said they believe the family largely avoided establishing medical and other government records during that time.


... I wonder if they were anti-government, anti-family-planning-of-any-sort types. Yikes. Those poor kids. And I do feel for the mother Elizabeth, who clearly had her childhood stolen from her and probably saw no way out of this mess.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
43. West Virginia let them get married when she was 15 and he was 19.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:36 PM
Jul 2

Not sure how that works as she was under 16 at the time. Parental permission?

RandomNumbers

(19,388 posts)
44. The girl's parents signed off, as did the judge
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:43 PM
Jul 2
https://www.wowktv.com/news/ohio/vinton-county-oh/two-suspects-accused-in-vinton-county-child-endagering-married-as-teens-in-west-virginia-court-records-show/

I wonder if her parents knew she was pregnant?

Q.: when is rape not rape?
A.: when your parents and the judge tell you to marry the guy instead of charging him with rape.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
47. Well, she was definetely pregnant because baby appeared
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:46 PM
Jul 2

several months after the wedding.
However, I am not sure he would have qualified for any statutory rape charges, because he is not more than 4 years older than she is.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
45. I googled it.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:44 PM
Jul 2

For her to get legally married at 15 (in 2008), which she did, she had to get a certificate from a judge.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
41. This does not appear to be a case of incest.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:05 PM
Jul 2

The two people who apparently produced all these children got married when she was 15 and he was 19 (in West Virginia).
She was already pregnant because they married in March of 2008 and the first child was born in May of 2008.

Blue Full Moon

(3,830 posts)
4. transients
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 02:50 PM
Jul 1

Get a lot of people living between KY, WV, and OH. Collect welfare from more than one state. This sounds a lot like neighbors used to live near.

yardwork

(70,202 posts)
6. Vinton County, Ohio demographics.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 03:30 PM
Jul 1

Population about 12,000 people, 96% of whom are white. 79% of voters there chose Trump in 2024. Income, education, health status all what you would expect.

This is the shining beacon of white rural America touted by JD Vance, who grew up a few counties over.

This is what "try that in a small town" really means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinton_County,_Ohio#:~:text=2000%202010%E2%80%932020-,2020%20census,comprised%200.7%25%20of%20the%20population.

Wiz Imp

(11,041 posts)
8. Good lord. I just found out my brother (a minister) is moving to that part of OHIO
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 04:15 PM
Jul 1

in September. The rural part of PA wherre he currently lives is bad enough. I didn't think he woud move to somewhere even worse.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,490 posts)
11. Exactly
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 04:34 PM
Jul 1
This is what "try that in a small town" really means.

I lived in a very rural area for 20 years. Small town outside of a small town outside of Vegas. There were a lot of things I loved about it. But basically, one of the things I learned early on was the face people presented was usually very different from what reality was. Try that in a small town? Well, since my experience was that screwing your neighbor (in every sense of the word), and cooking meth were OK, not sure if Jason Aldean had any idea of what small towns are capable of tolerating.

LymphocyteLover

(10,494 posts)
17. of course rightwing media will find some way to blame this on the left, assuming they talk about it
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 05:00 PM
Jul 1

SergeStorms

(21,166 posts)
21. Of course.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 05:20 PM
Jul 1

I'm guessing that bunch isn't very politically active, though. Call it a "hunch." 😉

oberle

(485 posts)
35. I have a friend who lived in Vinton County
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 10:07 PM
Jul 1

She and her husband had no indoor plumbing or electricity. Thankfully she got out. It's a horribly depressing part of Ohio.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
34. Seems pretty clear these kids will have a lot of issues.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 10:04 PM
Jul 1

At least some of them described as having developmental delays, unable to speak.

mwmisses4289

(5,351 posts)
10. Wonder if it will turn out the adults were part of or created their own brand of christian religious nut job.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 04:34 PM
Jul 1

Those poor kids. Gods grant them the time and healing they need and deserve.

SergeStorms

(21,166 posts)
16. You have to get a license to fish.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 04:55 PM
Jul 1

You have to get a license to drive.
You have to get a license to open a restaurant.

But people can produce as many children as the like without any questions asked.

There oughta be a law.

SergeStorms

(21,166 posts)
22. Yep. That's my point.
Wed Jul 1, 2026, 05:28 PM
Jul 1

Anyone with reproductive organs can put the pedal down and create as much life as they possibly can. There isn't a single thing standing in their way. Except a conscience, maybe, which doesn't seem to apply with this group.

The hell they've created for those children.........😱

3catwoman3

(30,372 posts)
54. Very early in my peds nurse practitioner career, I found myself thinking...
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:47 AM
Jul 3

…that parenthood should require a license. The simple ability to juxtapose genitalia is a woefully inadequate “qualification.”

I became an NP way back in 1976, and have now been retired for 5 years. Stories like this reinforce my long-held opinion.

SergeStorms

(21,166 posts)
55. Happy retirement!
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:06 AM
Jul 3

I've been retired for 28 years (some very special circumstances on that) but I've been as happy as can be (considering the present calamity in the White House) all those years. Good on 'ya, and thanks for being a nurse all those years. It takes a special kind of person to do what you did.

RandomNumbers

(19,388 posts)
46. Considering she was raped at 15, maybe younger, thrown into marriage at 15
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:45 PM
Jul 2

and probably had no idea how to get out of the hell that was foisted on her ....

I'm starting from the POV that she was a victim, too.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
48. As far as I can tell, this would not qualify as a statutory rape in West Virginia,
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 06:01 PM
Jul 2

because of their age difference. He is listed at 36 and she is listed at 33, so he is 3 years older than she is. So even being under 16, because he is only 3 years older, would not qualify as a statutory rape.
Obviously, whatever West Virginia thinks of it, it's still a really bad situation for a 15 year old to be in. And never mind the two of them kept producing a kid after kid, and apparently barely took care of all those children.

RandomNumbers

(19,388 posts)
49. Yeah I missed that there is the "age difference" component for it to be "statutory"
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 06:30 PM
Jul 2

but I will still call it rape. She was underage and unable to consent. Period. (I get it when it is a few weeks or a couple months and it's basically a technicality ... but 3 years? He should at least get a reduced charge of some sort. Sigh. If only I got to make the laws ...)

And phenomenally poor parenting on the part of his parents - the grandparents in this case (what happened to her parents, I wonder) - for not getting something going in the way of birth control.

democrank

(12,762 posts)
51. Glad there is intervention in this horrible set of circumstances.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:38 AM
Jul 3

May the children get all of the help and support they need.

LisaL

(48,267 posts)
53. I think this one is even worse from what we are told.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:27 AM
Jul 3

All 16 kids here described as living in one small room?
Recovered in very poor physical condition, some near death?

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