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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe hard reality: Our Democratic Senate Candidate from Maine is likely a rapist
If he doesn't drop out and endorse somebody else, he is still the best funded and most established candidate who can defeat Susan Collins and shifting the race to another candidate will make defeating her even more challenging. But anybody who votes for him will do so knowing he is probably a rapist. And that doesnt need to happen.
Because he can still drop out. And our futures are not written in stone.
It kinda sucks being in a reality and side of the political chasm where truth and evidence actually account for something; because denial sounds so much more appealing right now. Refusing to believe the things happening right in front of me? Even more tempting.
I can't mince words: The signs were there about his stability, and I for one didn't want to believe he would actually have sunk so low in criminal conduct. This really fucking sucks for taking back the Senate majority. But frankly it sucks more for the women involved. Not only were they fucking raped, they were met with such a high profile and consequential decision. They knew what the stakes were and still did the right thing. They will undeniably receive death threats, harassment and cries of probably something like "killing democracy blah blah blah (along with whatever other nonesense is filling the social media voids right now)." But they are also heroes: People who risked even more than what they already lost to bring to light an uncomfortable and horrible truth about a clearly flawed individual. And it is for the greater good. They did prevent one more rapist from holding a seat of power. And there are few things more honorable than keeping dishonorable men from power.
While this had to come out (for all the very reasonable and understandable circumstances discussed by the victim) after the primary, Democrats cannot in good faith support a credibly alleged rapist while an adjudicated rapist sits in the white house. If they can think fast and move on from Platner, Maine Democrats have a solid claim to the moral high ground and can still flip the seat.
Collins has no credibility to say she doesn't support a rapist. Trump is a rapist and she voted for Kavanaugh who was also very credibly accused of rape. There is no place where Republicans can claim the moral high ground on any of these issues, and Maine voters aren't idiots. I strongly hope that a solid candidate can quickly take his place, and I hope he doesn't prove to be even more a shitbag than he clearly is, and make that transition difficult.
To hell with Platner. Let him retire quietly and deal with his mental health recovery and clear behavioral issues, in private. With his oysters.
We have a Senate seat to flip.
EdmondDantes_
(2,346 posts)If you drop out for this reason, people will rightfully treat your endorsement like the plague.
SSJVegeta
(3,523 posts)He just needs to go away quickly.
LisaL
(48,176 posts)My understanding he has about a week to drop out. Anybody can be nominated if he drops out before the deadline, meaning it doesn't have to be the other people who were on the ballot.
MichMan
(17,738 posts)Response to SSJVegeta (Original post)
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Baitball Blogger
(52,966 posts)Vote him in to unseat Susan Collins, and then have him step down so the governor can replace him?
pinkstarburst
(2,120 posts)shortly after getting married, and a man who rapes women, is not the sort of morally intact man who is going to say, "Why yes, I will put my own ego aside and turn over power that I was just handed by voters because some (lots of) people think the fact that I am a disgusting rapist is abhorrent."
This man is completely messed up in the head. The Nazi tattoo was a clear warning sign. Even if people didn't want to believe the Nazi tattoo, the sexting 6 different women was a huge warning sign. And now this. I full expect there will be more women he has assaulted, just like Eric Swalwell.
No, we cannot allow him to take office. He needs to step down. I want to believe that if Maine voters are serious about flipping that seat, they would consider another strong democrat, and no one is going to seriously consider a rapist.
Baitball Blogger
(52,966 posts)2naSalit
(105,268 posts)Before this messes everything up.
The party has until the 28th to choose another candidate to replace him. They have already told him to step down.
2naSalit
(105,268 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(18,560 posts)My late to the party endorsement has aged poorly.
SSJVegeta
(3,523 posts)I endorsed him not as late but figured he's gonna be the nominee and on the right side of the issues. I thought "not like he's a rapist or anything"
Frasier Balzov
(5,186 posts)Would a replacement have a better chance at this late hour?
karynnj
(61,286 posts)If he withdraws, there will be a candidate by the dead line in late July. From one account, some of the people who could run were running in avery tight Governor's race.
I would imagine that as such, they have at least some name recognition in Maine. Obviously not optimal, but we almost certainly get a candidate who poles far better on moral character and values.
Before the nomination happened, the polling company which reported Platner ahead now, had three interesting general election polls in the first week of June. Mills was plus 4, Platner plus 2, and "Democrat" plus 10!
I don't live in Maine and know pretty much nothing of any possible replacements, but they could get someone younger than Mills (and Collins) and without the truckloads of baggage that Platner has.
Frasier Balzov
(5,186 posts)Collins beat her by a wide margin in the past.
But Bellows was elected to a statewide office, and running a woman is the probable elixir to the Platner problem.
Llewlladdwr
(2,227 posts)I don't think most folks realize that all the Platner revelations so far are Dem on Dem oppo research being released to get Platner to drop out. The Republicans are saving their stuff for after it's too late for that.
SSJVegeta
(3,523 posts)Whether he is the best chance or not doesnt matter. What matters is whether we are going to support a likely rapist for Senate.
I will not
Frasier Balzov
(5,186 posts)Collins beat her by a wide margin in an earlier race.
But a woman is needed now.
WinningAgain
(53 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,523 posts)Unfortunately.
Boo1
(728 posts)Vegeta.
flvegan
(66,736 posts)They have a right to that choice, most certainly.
I wish you luck, Maine dems.
sarisataka
(23,181 posts)I have seen several posters saying they would support him even if the allegations turn out to be true because winning is more important