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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFinal post-mortem from me on the Platner thing
And I'll admit I only halfway followed the saga in the first place, not being from Maine.
1.) I'm glad he is dropping out, because I won't have to be torn between wanting Collins out and having to root for a possible rapist among other things.
2. If he had stayed in, I would have rooted for him because this country is in crisis and no matter how bad a senator he might have been, likely would have been better than the only viable alternative.
3.) I've been one of the most liberal of Democrats, and an unabashed Sanders supporter, but I am disappointed in the way Bernie helped advance his candidacy while overlooking obvious red flags.
4.) I am also now more enlightened to know that there is a faction who doesn't necessarily have the best interests of the Democratic Party (severely imperfect though it is) in mind when recruiting outside candidates. I had mostly dismissed concerns about this in the past.
5.) I remain a "left-wing" Sanders supporter, and remain committed to the idea that the Democratic Party needs to be pushed more to the left, and to be more of a strong opposition party to the Republicans,
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,500 posts)2. If he had stayed in, I would have rooted for him because this country is in crisis and no matter how bad a senator he might have been, likely would have been better than the only viable alternative.
BWdem4life
(3,185 posts)Because that's where we are now in this country. If the only viable opportunity to Susan Collins is a repist, or pretty much anything else, that's what I would root for.
sarisataka
(23,303 posts)would that be a deal breaker?
Accepts money from AIPAC?
Boo1
(793 posts)Would have been viewed as a far worse crime than rape by many.
BWdem4life
(3,185 posts)and support - or not support - a Democratic nominee depending on what my conscience states, you would be in the vast minority on this website and in violation of its terms of service.
Or perhaps youre just testing my loyalty.
I have watched people get banned ftom this site for doing so. I have read ad nauseum that we should vote Blue no matter who, that On this site we support Democrats, and that You fall in love during the primaries, and fall in line in the general.
After seeing the results of the past, and seeing an actual pedophile become president because people were unwilling to support someone with much less baggage than that, I now would support Jeffrey Dahmer himself over Susan Collins as long as he was the Democratic nominee. (i would hope for better vetting before that became my only option, of course.)
Your mileage may vary. Im done caring about the baggage one of our nominees carries.
sarisataka
(23,303 posts)just wondering if there is anything that is a disqualifier for a candidate; something so heinous a person will say 'I don't want that person to represent me'
I have seen people on this site openly say they will never vote for a candidate who takes AIPAC money. If that is not a deal breaker for you then you are ahead of some folks.
QueerDuck
(2,518 posts)It's very disappointing. But in the end, when I think about it, it's possible to be disappointed without being surprised.
Ocelot II
(132,051 posts)He was never what he presented himself to be - a blue-collar good ol' boy, only progressive. He was recruited by a few operatives out of New York, nothing to do with Maine, with little or no vetting, because he's a good, convincing speaker with a posh background that could be easily turned into that of a humble oysterman (he's not; his only customer is his mother's restaurant), and an eloquent spokesperson for the white working man so often neglected by mainstream Democrats. Since I'm not a resident of Maine I didn't pay a whole lot of attention when some of the skeletons in his closet started rattling, but I figured that Maine voters would take a good, hard look and decide whether, utilizing a sort of realpolitik, the skeletons could be overlooked if that was necessary to rid themselves of Susan Collins.
But then the rape allegations came out, with a name attached. The allegations are credible, and it was a bridge too far. But the question remains, how bad does one's past behavior have to be in order to make a politician unelectable? For Republicans, it appears that there is no unforgivable sin. It's obvious that GOPers are interested in power, not character - Trump being Exhibit A. But Democrats nearly went in the same direction by failing to take a good, hard look at Platner's past or demanding further vetting because they found a candidate who they thought could take out an opponent. Clearly he should not have been allowed to have gotten as far as he did. Was Platner sincere about his political positions? Would he have done a good job despite his deplorable behavior toward women (thinking here of Ted Kennedy, Eric Swalwell)?
Maybe, but that isn't the point. Men like Platner, Swalwell, Cuomo, Kavanaugh and others should be excluded from public service despite any other talents they might have, because allowing them to become our representatives despite their predatory behavior signifies a total disregard for women. We need to send a clear message that sexual harassment and assault are always disqualifying, and we need to vet candidates with a metaphorical fine-tooth comb. If you want a career in politics - to become a judge or run for the Senate or Mayor or your local park board - keep it in your pants, beginning as soon as you have anything to keep in your pants. Can you have a normal love life? Of course, but that doesn't mean harassing, groping, raping or otherwise being a predatory asshole. Truly good men don't do that shit.
His withdrawal speech provided more evidence that he wasn't such a great guy - it was just an extended whine about how he was crushed by the Democratic Establishment, no thanks to his supporters, no promise to endorse another candidate or work to defeat Collins. Just whining. So fuck him.
And that's all I have to say about Graham Platner.
QueerDuck
(2,518 posts)Many thanks for the concise summary!
CrimsonBight
(20 posts)Absolutely.
Was Graham Platner the only guy in Maine with progressive ideas and a modicum of charisma? Probably not. I'm guessing these folks in New York could have found someone without a suspicious history and a fuckin Nazi tattoo to take up the progressive flank in the Maine race, if they'd only put in a little effort in.
That being said, I still maintain that Maine Democratic Party seriously underestimated progressive sentiment in their own state, and running Mills against Platner almost certainly contributed to his fandom.