Trump will not leave Office at the end of his term at the end of his term....

[ashredux]

Everyone should understand that Trump will not leave Office at the end of his term. He knows he will be prosecuted and he will do everything he can to subvert a democratic election. He has built his own security force, so to speak, and it’s going to get dicey….. It will be up to our military to actually support the Constitution and remove him from Office after his term is up.

[BannonsLiver]

1. Okay. Understood.

[Coolgoober]

2. I'm Sorry

I just don't think he's going to make it that long. 2 1/2 years?

[Munu]

8. If a Republican wins in 2028 ...

... and Trump is still alive and in office, it will be a peaceful hand off of power and a presidential pardon.

Plenty of precedent for that.

[KS Toronado]

68. THERE'S NO WAY A REPUBLICON WINS THE OVAL OFFICE IN 2028

[DFW]

96. Agreed. This will be 2008 all over again--with one caveat

They are a lot more confident now than they were 20 years ago that they can commit electoral fraud and get away with it.

Another difference: John McCain knew before the election that he would lose, and had accepted it. I can’t think of ONE potential Republican presidential candidate that will accept defeat—no matter how overwhelming—gracefully.

[Munu]

105. I agree it's unlikely, but don't assume the sale. n/t

[Polybius]

108. Harris vs. Rubio might be the only way

But let's hope that won't happen.

[GoodRaisin]

91. He is close to being fitted for a strait jacket.

[DBoon]

102. I would prefer being fitted for a coffin

[johnnyplankton]

95. I'm hoping he'll be joining Lindsey and (probably) Mitch way before that happens.

I honestly can't see how he's going to last until Christmas.

[Munu]

3. Maybe ...

But it sounds like you are "assuming the sale".

[mr715]

4. Trump will not be President after his term is up.

Stop.

He is not God-Emperor.

[BannonsLiver]

12. Shhhhh it's DU Defeatist Tuesday.

[mr715]

19. Senator Graham's heart explosion should've improved morale.

[BannonsLiver]

78. I guess not

Our default is the scene in wizard of oz when the WWoTW shows up and everyone in munchkin land scatters, whenever Trump starts bloviating.

[QueerDuck]

76. Oh-mah-god oh-mah-god whadda-we-gonna-do? Run for the hills!

[MorbidButterflyTat]

83. No shit.

It's everywhere today.

[LexVegas]

5. Prosecuted for what? By who? He has not worry of that happening. nt

[Torchlight]

6. What then do you conclude a practical reponse should comprise?

[TommyT139]

79. The capitol doesn't have to be in Washington, does it?

Turn off electric and water and any other utilities feeding the bunker.

Hold the inauguration in Philly or in some other state where rethugs can't get near honest citizens.

[Grim Chieftain]

7. Hopefully, he'll leave before that in a body bag

The country and the world have suffered long enough.

[OGBuzz]

15. I wonder if Trump even understands how intense, overwhelming and passionate the celebrations

will be, by 98% of the planet, when the announcement is finally made.

[Grim Chieftain]

17. I doubt it

His insane ego will blot anything but hero worship and massive adulation. IF there was justice in the cosmos, he would be forced to witness the massive worldwide celebrations that will take place upon his demise.

[Volaris]

18. Oh, i think he knows. He can never acknowledge it, even to himself, so its ignored. But he knows.

And he's infuriated by it.
GOOD.

[quakerboy]

66. I wonder if he or his family have made preperations for what comes after

The amount of security needed to prevent people from coming to piss and crap on him is gonna be expensive, for a lot of years.

[Bettie]

84. That family? They'll probably have it all set up

to make money.

One price for liquid waste, another for solid waste, need an appoitment, but you can get a commemorative picture taken for an additional charge.

You really think they'd miss a chance to monetize this?

[quakerboy]

106. I think hed have them whacked

If he found out they had it planned, so if they have a ounce of sense any such plans would be kept inside their own heads till after he bellyflops into his proper place in hell.

But even then.. no. I think they would sell him in a heart beat, but they believe in brand and name, and probably genuinely think that the Maga maniacs will follow them into the future once he is gone.

[littlemissmartypants]

39. Exactement! 🤞⚰️🤞

[GoodRaisin]

92. Or in a strait jacket.

[Bluestocking]

9. A lot of things are going to happen between now and then

There is no way to know what is going to happen in January 2029

[TBF]

10. I mean it's obvious - he is even fortifying the White House

with his "ballroom" (bunker) and fences outside. He has no intention of leaving.

[EdmondDantes_]

11. If he lives that long, he stops being president January 20th 2029

He can say he won't leave, but he'll still leave. He's not omnipotent. If he tries to not leave, the actual president will order him removed by the secret service and/or military.

[Traildogbob]

34. I almost

Would rather see his ass drug out by the Cankles.
Completely humiliate him and his cult of side kicks.
How smug will Moses be as his wormy ass is being drug out right beside him.

[no_hypocrisy]

13. The succeeding (democratic) President will order the military to remove him.

Trump loses any power on January 20, 2029

[Goonch]

14. ;-{) THIS

[Traildogbob]

36. Beautiful

I want that framed in a 90 inches square frame in my living room.

[Lategame]

16. I never buy into fear mongering and hyperbole

There will be a newly elected Democrat as a President. The political pendulum always swings.

[TBF]

57. Look, speaking the truth about a fascist takeover

is not "fear mongering and hyperbole"

Do you not see what this regime is doing? The speech Thursday night will be the first step in stealing (if not outright trying to cancel) the midterm elections.

Minimizing the threat is not helpful.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

87. How is declaring he will never leave "helpful"??

[TBF]

97. Those are your words not mine -

I said "Minimizing the threat is not helpful"

[malaise]

20. He'll croak long before that day

Take that to the bank
That is all

[rampartd]

62. 21s century medicine can keep him as alive as mcconnell forever

if my kidneys are a match i'm worried.

[DEbluedude]

21. Sure he will. Like this.

https://m.

[Justice matters.]

80. LOL

ROFL

[electric_blue68]

107. Snort! 😄 TY!

[mr715]

22. Also - he's tried this already.

He will throw a tantrum, drum up a medium-to-large riot, and then lose.

I don't even think he has it in him to have another insurrection this time. I honestly don't see him living through his term.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. This - Jan 6th showed he doesn't have "his own security force"

He has followers willing to riot and try and subvert democracy, but they're not a "security force". ICE might be a "security force", but they won't go up against regular police when push come to shove; they like hounding immigrants, but they're not in it to overtly break the constitution via a coup.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Plus,There Are Not Enough

And, many of those hired in the last 15 months did it because it's a good paying job, not because they wanted to be in the SA.
So, it's insufficient numbers, and the fraction willing to back an illegal move like this is nowhere near 100%.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

89. Plus, they are cowards hiding behind masks

[ProfessorGAC]

94. That, Too!

[Dan]

31. If after his term is up, he uses his"security force", then wouldn't

That force be an illegal action of a foreign body trying to take control of our government. Then, wouldn’t ICE then becomes a legitimate target to any law abiding citizen trying to protect our nation?

[Jack Valentino]

25. On the other hand, some people are just too evil to DIE ALREADY....

or maybe The Beast has help from Satan to keep him alive !!!!!

[Jack Valentino]

23. That's ok, his Secret Service detail will carry him out

Feet first would be ok by me.

[HappyH]

35. Drag him out by his feet would be fine by me

And don’t worry about being to nice!

[Manatee]

26. Yes

he will.

[BlueTsunami2018]

27. He's not going to be prosecuted for anything, ever.

Forget all about that.

He may not leave if he’s still alive. It’s always a possibility with that asshole. I don’t know that you can count on the military for anything. There’s a reason they purged out all the somewhat decent people.

I think he’ll be buying the farm before we have to worry about it.

[EarthFirst]

28. He's 299 Big Macs away from checking out...

At two per day; he’s not long on life…that barely gets him past the midterms; or the New Year if he gaps a few days here and there…

[Mad_Machine76]

29. STOP

His term expires automatically at noon on January 20 (21st?), 2029. After that, he is a private citizen and squatter and would be handled accordingly, even if the Secret Service, military, etc. would have to intervene to drag him out. If he even makes it the next 2.5 years, which IMHO is questionable at best. We need to stop entertaining these horror scenarios and feeding into his delusions. I'm not saying that things aren't dire, troubling, etc. but we need to maintain the belief that the system and the people of this country will not just let this orange toad (with a now steady +/- 30% approval rating) stay in power indefinitely.

[ashredux]

33. I understand what you're saying, and I'm getting a lot of negative feedback to say the least

All I wish to put forward
is, if you ignore the possibilities of rebellion against our constitution by a large number of people, then you put your head in the sand.
Sadly, I’ve come to this conclusion. We must be very vigilant.

[Mad_Machine76]

51. We must be vigilant, you're right

but we need to not lose our heads.

[Doodley]

32. IMHO, I think for those thinking he won't make it, that's wishful thinking. He's doing pretty well for an 80 year old.

However, I don't think he will go peacefully. We know he cheats and lies and had three different strategies to steal the 2020 election and still lies about it every single day, and no Republican stands up to him. He has floated the idea of being president for life. Anything less will be a loss to him. He is incapable of accepting any loss. IMO, he would rather destroy America or even the world than accept a loss. He will stop at nothing.

[Moostache]

37. I have a hope or two...

One - Trump does survive that long and does try something stupid to remain in power. In that scenario, the recent film "Civil War" ends with a forcible removal of a president from the White House...it would not break my heart to hear Trump was killed in a firefight at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the least...

Two - and FAR MORE LIKELY OUTCOME - the fat piece of amphibian shit suffers a massive stroke (today would be just fine) and suffers total loss of speech and function on one side of his body. He survives the event but in a diminished capacity that makes his handlers hide him from view until he does actually die while drooling on himself and sitting in a full, soiled diaper for hours (if not days).

Seeing as either event makes it more likely I will have a destination vacation to plan so I may piss on his grave, either on is acceptable in the end.

[orangecrush]

38. Yes he will

[ashredux]

40. OK, here's the scenario.

At the end of his term, the election for the next president will be interrupted. Ice agents will begin to collect ballot boxes from “flawed election states”… it will be impossible to determine who the winner was. As the so-called “investigations go forward”…Trump tells the public that he must remain in office until we’re able to sort out the actual winner of the election…. I think you could say that we have a constitutional crisis at this point…. It could get messy..

[Torchlight]

43. What then do you conclude a practical reponse should comprise?

[CuriousSavage]

67. That is plausible.

As a parent, I always told my kids that I am cursed with something I call Horror Vision. I imagine the absolute worst scenario, whether it be in the school yard, parking lot, bike riding, heck... everywhere, and do my best to prepare. It is exhausting and rarely comes true but it keeps you sharp. In this day and age of a totally distracted and ill-informed citizenry, there could be great uncertainty, inaction, and apathy if things go sideways. We have all seen the daily assault on realty, tradition and decency. I think that this is a deliberate ploy to desensitize and divide us so we're more controllable. I am not saying anything that we all don't know already.

It is not defeatist to anticipate how far your opponent is willing to go. That should be perfectly clear by now. God forbid any of this should come to pass. Messy would be an understatement. I try not to completely distance myself from somewhat decent republicans I have in my circle. I do not hide my liberal mindset and don't shy away from vigorous debate if they're foolish enough to start one. They sometimes concede to my way of thinking. I imagine they leave thinking Oh shit. Wait a minute, I have a friend that is a Democrat?!

Naysayers always retort "OK, chicken-little, what's YOUR plan?" As if one man is going to single handedly change everything.... My plan is to be eyes fucking wide open alert. Keep my head down but keep talking to people. Remind them of what we are/were as a country. Strongly encourage people to vote. Save money but donate wisely. Arm & train myself. Prepare for the unthinkable. I can only hope that those decent people are not willing to throw everything away just for a corrupt want to be dictator. We'll see what he has to say on Thursday. It will be vile. It will be ignorant. That critical crossroad that we expected for November seems to be coming early.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

93. Then Tom Cruise or Jason Momoa zip lines down while firing off a machine gun

and snatches the ballot boxes from the ICE boys, who then wet themselves and cry in the corner sucking their thumbs.

Cue the fireworks and twangy version of the National Anthem and democracy is saved.

[littlemissmartypants]

41. Let's start a pool. I have 5$ that says he'll leave.

[AverageOldGuy]

42. ". . . It will be up to our military . . . "

I'm a retired Army officer. It breaks my heart to say this, but I don't know that I can trust military leadership to abandon Trump, support the Constitution and rule of law . . . especially if it means a shooting war with ICE.

[ashredux]

53. You'll get some flag for that pose, but I agree.

I do not see the general staff rolling over and letting the constitution thrown away

[uppityperson]

44. By "leave the office" do you mean the white house or continue to have the ability

to have his orders followed by his minions?

[MadScout]

45. That assumes he makes it that long

6 physicals this year? Is that correct? He’s not well, and he’s not getting any better.

[Aristus]

46. Emergency medicine providers like to say that "all bleeding eventually stops".

Sooner or later, Trump's evil regime will end. If it ends with them wheelbarrowing him out of the Oval Office toes first, so be it.

[calimary]

104. Yep. Nothing lasts forever.

Not even YOU, Donald.

And thank goodness for THAT!

[ChicagoTeamster]

47. The military can't do that. Any General who would actually lead and organize against the government would be violating

the Constitution. Congress or some other civilian body would have to act and the military can refuse the orders of the now illegitimate president and back the civilian government. But, if multiple groups, let's say a southern resurgent confederate group aligned with white Christian Nationalists, and a tech bros pro data center anti everything else group, a Democratic Socialist group and so on, multiple military and intel services leaders could back different groups and instant Civil War.

That's the danger posed by one selfish greedy psycho Russia compromised asshole throwing 250 years of democracy out the window because they don't want to govern according to the Constitution but instead want to turn the US government into their personal grift and retribution machine and build alliances to protect theirself by sharing taxpayer funded contracts and other grifts with their domestic and foreign cronies.

The military can't just arrest the renegade president and impose martial law during a time period of campaigns for an election to continue constitutional governance. I'm expecting that if Trump were planning to not leave office, he would cancel 2028 elections and disband Congress so that there won't be a legit President and legislature for the military to place back into power.

[ashredux]

56. Ahhhh.... yes, they can do that. It would be unique, and something we have not seen in the current era. But they can

[ChicagoTeamster]

63. And exactly who would follow who and which side would the military faction follow? Hegseth's? CJS Caine?

Would retired generals Mark Milley and CQ Brown suddenly have the whole of the military suddenly snap into place behind them? Would anyone follow Putin and Trump buddy retired general Michael Flynn? Would generals Eaton and Hertling be on TV telling people not to follow anyone aligned with the renegade President or would they be dead? What would former Afghanistan ISAF commander and CIA director Gen David Petraeus take the lead?

How many factions would there be?

[ashredux]

64. I think you misjudge our current military. I have faith that the US military will not let Trump subvert the constitution

[CuriousSavage]

71. I so desperately want to believe that

but my reality is that the most hardcore maga people I know are active duty or retired military. One guy even got injured by an Iranian counterattack a few weeks ago and the knucklehead is sending out Facebook Happy Birthday wishes to Dear Leader while in recovery. I am not military but I understand their pledge to the Constitution. As it divides our country, it will put great internal strain on the military too.

[ChicagoTeamster]

90. You think HegSeth won't have generals and some lower level commanders ready to seize power from the officers and NCOs

who refuse to follow Trump and go against the Constitutional order? They've already fired or driven out leaders who refused to follow and issue illegal orders. White nationalists have been encouraged enlist. There will be those in the ranks who will turn weapons on fellow service members that refuse to go along with Trump's treason and there will be others looking for leadership from those who try to defend the Constitutional order. I believe that those wanting to follow the Constitution will be in the majority but if Trump tries to stay in office, there may be a contention for control possibly even a fracture. Hopefully, based on recent reports of Dan Caine not wanting to give Trump the nuclear codes, everyone will honor their oath and immediately place Trump under house arrest and arrest Vance, Rubio, and Hegseth, Patel, and Pulte.

Who will the Texas, Utah, and Montana National Guard follow? The DC Guard? Trump had Texas DOC ERT and TX NG clear Lafayette square and they were in Portland as well. He's used to putting enough loyalists in the mix to have a majority for coercive control.

[WorseDayEver]

58. Retired generals, colonels, majors, captains, lieutenants, sargents, corporals, privates

[Boo1]

48. Prosecuted?

For what? He's going to blanket pardon himself, his kids, and anyone else whos check has cleared. Then he's going to head to Florida and be protected by the Republicans there.

[sarisataka]

49. I have this sudden feeling of Deja vu

[fujiyamasan]

50. There are enough ambitious republicans that want to take over

Especially Rubio and Vance. They may claim to love Trump, but they really just want his voters.

I’d be surprised if they somehow agree to canceling the primaries and installing Trump as emperor, not because of patriotism or fealty to the constitution but due simply to their own self interest.

[creeksneakers2]

52. Can't he just pardon himself?

[WorseDayEver]

59. nope

[lizardkingjr]

54. He'll die

before the end of his term. He's in horrible shape both mentally and physically.

[ashredux]

60. You're probably right. If I was betting, I would bet that he doesn't live.... But then, ....?

[Initech]

55. The only way this authoritarian shit show is leaving is by death or force.

And I'm starting to think waiting for the former option may take too long.

[orleans]

61. i think/hope he'll be leaving before the end of his term (due to mental/physical health.

but i think it's the physical side that's gonna get mr. heart attack waiting to happen. but obviously i could be wrong)

[ashredux]

65. Just a note, I'm a bit surprised that my post got this much activity....

But we do need to think about the worst case scenario that Donald Trump could put forward. Underestimating him, especially with his current delusions, is dangerous.

[H2O Man]

69. The sky is falling!

[ashredux]

70. No, this sky is not falling. To ignore all possibilities is not a good strategy...

[H2O Man]

77. To be distracted

by utter nonsense rather than being 100% focused on winning the mid-terms is, by definition, the worst strategy. (However, my pet hen, Mrs. Trowbridge, insists the sky is falling. And I think it is absolutely as important for our consideration as what the convicted sex offender/felon may do in January of 2029. More, I am convinced that philosophers & theologians from ancient times had predicted Mrs. Trowbridge's clucking nonsense was more important than hand-wringing about what the convicted sex offender/felon may do if he is still about dirt in January of 2029.)

[Kaleva]

86. If you try and defend everything, you defend nothing

Fredrick The Great

[struggle4progress]

72. He might try, but I really don't think he has a chance in hell of pulling that of: the consequences of trying

won't be pretty at all

Assume he got 77 million votes in 2024

His approval in January 2025 was around 50%. Today it's around 37% -- and it keeps going down

I'd guess that means maybe (0.37/0.50)*77 million = 57 million would vote for him today

The US population is around 342 million

It's not a stretch to imagine that after another year and a half, 300 million Americans will be uninterested in supporting him

Anybody, who tries to help him take over permanently, might want to look back over the shoulder constantly, whenever going from one place to another, because a lot of folk will be completely at the end of their patience by then

[Srkdqltr]

73. You know.. up until 12:05 New Years day 2000 talking heads were saying the world would shut down.

The computers would stop. Planes would fall out of the sky.

That didn't happen. But people were frightened. All this conjecture about the future is the same thing.
Get a grip.

[NNadir]

74. I'll add this to the long list of soothsaying that one hears...

...that goes on around here.

My own speculation is that he'll either kick off or be removed from office against his will. The people who own him may lose patience with him or actually grow in fear of the consequences of their creation of their monster so as to pull the plug.

[jmowreader]

75. It doesn't matter whether Trump resists leaving office or not

The Constitution is clear on this: at exactly noon on January 20 the year following the election the new president is sworn in. At exactly 12:01 on the same date, if the old one is still in the White House the 3d United States Infantry of the United States Army, the Old Guard, and the Secret Service Protective Detail are required to enter the White House armed with M240 machine guns, animal tranquilizer guns loaded with Thorazine, and one of those wheelbarrows contractors move wet cement in. As Trump will no longer be president he is not immune to this action (and wasn’t immune to machine gun fire anyway) so the troops and Secret Service officers will dart him, put him in the wheelbarrow, push the wheelbarrow to the Potomac and dump him in with all the respect he deserves, which is none.

[Ms. Toad]

98. The constitution says all that? Who knew! n/t

[mr715]

101. I'd love to see him darted.

50 mg Versed straight into the ear.


Edit: My pharmacology is off. He'd probably need 20 mg.

[Hassler]

81. I'm with those who don't think the orang turd won't make it to the end of his term.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

82. HE. WILL. LEAVE.

[ashredux]

85. What makes you so sure? You do understand his mind is mush..... who knows what he'll do

[Ms. Toad]

99. What he does is completely irrelevant.

He loses the power to do anything other than what an ordinary citizen can do once his term is over. He'll be carted out just like any other trespasser.

[ashredux]

88. Well, I'm a bit surprised with all the replies to this particular thread...... apparently I hit a nerve

[miyazaki]

100. It's ok. I've read here for years he'd never be president.

Then he'd never be president, twice. Most of those peeps are gone. But of course, many are still here, plying one wrong conclusion after another.

[Cosmocat]

103. This has and remains my position, but

Gotta see how the mid terms go first and see how things settle after that.

If the Rs see a D winning in 2028, they will get behind any move he makes.

They won't think a second about totally overthrowing / blowing up our government to prevent a D from taking office.

[Polybius]

109. He left office last time

He screamed on the way out, but he left on January 20th.