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hookaleft

(1,596 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:20 PM 2 hrs ago

Appeals court allows USPS to move forward with Trump's anti-mail voting order, for now

A federal appeals court Friday temporarily revived the U.S. Postal Service’s ability to move forward with a Trump-backed rule that could severely restrict mail voting ahead of the 2026 midterms.

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals granted USPS’ request to pause an order from U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan that blocked the agency from implementing standards and procedures in its proposed mail ballot rule while the case continues.

The rule stems from President Donald Trump’s March executive order attacking mail-in voting.

Under the proposal, states would have to send USPS information about voters who requested mail-in or absentee ballots, along with barcode information tied to those ballots. USPS would then use those lists to determine whether to transmit ballot mail.

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https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/appeals-court-allows-usps-to-move-forward-with-trumps-anti-mail-voting-order/

These fuckers are not going to stop!!

Looks I will be going to the polls in person in California. A vote by mail state.

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Appeals court allows USPS to move forward with Trump's anti-mail voting order, for now (Original Post) hookaleft 2 hrs ago OP
America's voting system is a disaster dlk 2 hrs ago #1
So the Postal Service gets to decide who votes? underpants 2 hrs ago #2
More accurately, Trump gets to decide who can receive a mail-in ballot AZJonnie 2 hrs ago #9
Somehow they found a court willing to entertain this idea. LisaL 2 hrs ago #11
Colorado is completely mail in ballots?..................... Lovie777 2 hrs ago #3
I guess they better figure out what to do. LisaL 2 hrs ago #6
I have been voting in person for a few years now. ananda 2 hrs ago #4
You need to check that paper copy carefully. Lonestarblue 56 min ago #35
I do. ananda 30 min ago #36
The postal service will not be handling my ballot this year. GoodRaisin 2 hrs ago #5
Maybe states can avoid mail in ballots and start using ................... Lovie777 2 hrs ago #7
How are they going to get these ballots without the post office? LisaL 2 hrs ago #8
The states may have to hire third party couriers or legislate some kind of state run courier service. Nt Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #15
Third party couriers don't have the infrastructure to do this. LisaL 1 hr ago #21
Most states have drop boxes Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #26
Again, how are the people going to get ballots to begin with? LisaL 1 hr ago #27
That's what I mean by creating a plan B Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #31
States that vote by mail don't even have polling places. LisaL 1 hr ago #32
WTF? spanone 2 hrs ago #10
WTF can't the courts get on the same effn page? vapor2 1 hr ago #12
It's part of the normal appeals process Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #14
Can it be "temporary" until after the next election? kentuck 1 hr ago #16
Courts tend to handle time sensitive election cases quicker than others Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #18
I don't think anyone wants to put too much faith in this Court... kentuck 1 hr ago #19
They have, but have also ruled against Trump on a number of occasions Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #24
Okay, well, the article has some fairly scary-sounding verbiage in any case AZJonnie 1 hr ago #22
I'm no lawyer, I just read a lot. Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #29
Key word: temporarily Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #13
October? LisaL 1 hr ago #25
Which is why they must come up with a plan B NOW. Nt Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #30
How the fuck is the USPS going to do this part: "use those lists to determine whether to transmit ballots"? AZJonnie 1 hr ago #17
How does this make sense? kacekwl 1 hr ago #20
It makes no sense. LisaL 1 hr ago #23
How does tha affect states that only vote by mail. Lifeafter70 1 hr ago #28
Obviously the states that only vote by mail are going to have huge problems. LisaL 1 hr ago #33
I agree they are a federal agency and elections are state controlled Lifeafter70 59 min ago #34

dlk

(13,541 posts)
1. America's voting system is a disaster
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:22 PM
2 hrs ago

It almost makes one believe we really don’t believe in democracy.

AZJonnie

(4,338 posts)
9. More accurately, Trump gets to decide who can receive a mail-in ballot
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:38 PM
2 hrs ago

He can't choose who votes, only who he's going to make it more difficult for. With this order, anyway.

Absolutely UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE that ANY court would entertain this idea for one fucking second, let along go along with it.

ananda

(36,004 posts)
4. I have been voting in person for a few years now.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:28 PM
2 hrs ago

It's Texas, and I want to see the paper copy of my vote
go in the machine.

Lonestarblue

(13,696 posts)
35. You need to check that paper copy carefully.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:49 PM
56 min ago

In 2018, some voters who checked their paper printouts after making their choices found that their votes had been changed to Cruz, which they documented with photos. And now that a Republican friend of Trump owns the Dominion Voting Systems company, who knows whether he can and will have Dominion machines programmed to change votes as they appear on the paper ballots fed into machines for tabulation. We should not trust anything where Republicans have any influence or control over voting.

Lovie777

(24,796 posts)
7. Maybe states can avoid mail in ballots and start using ...................
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:37 PM
2 hrs ago

ballots that can be turned in at special election offices with proper voting codes. Eff the post office.

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
8. How are they going to get these ballots without the post office?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 07:38 PM
2 hrs ago

If you have to pick up your ballots in person, and deliver them in person, why in the world would you want to do it instead of just voting in person?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
15. The states may have to hire third party couriers or legislate some kind of state run courier service. Nt
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:08 PM
1 hr ago

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
21. Third party couriers don't have the infrastructure to do this.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:19 PM
1 hr ago

They don't have mailboxes, and so on.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
26. Most states have drop boxes
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:28 PM
1 hr ago

And fleets of vehicles that could transport ballots to the tabulating centers.

The states could place drop boxes on the public sidewalks in front of every post office, maybe paint them bright orange or yellow.

It will be most difficult in rural communities, which will impact republican voters disproportionately.

It would be a Herculean task that would have to be initiated in the next few weeks, but there has got to be a plan B, don’t you think?

I would think Newsom, Pritzker, Hochul, Ferguson, Walz, Hobbs, etc. would already have staffers brainstorming about this.

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
27. Again, how are the people going to get ballots to begin with?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:30 PM
1 hr ago

USPS delivers the ballots to the voters first.
Even if there are drop boxes, if USPS isn't delivering the ballots, what is going to be dropped in those boxes?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
31. That's what I mean by creating a plan B
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:39 PM
1 hr ago

The ballots are addressed by the state, all they need is a way to get them into the hands of voters.

Maybe distribute them at polling places? Schools?

SCOTUS already recently ruled against Trump on another mail in ballot case, so I’m hopeful for a positive outcome…

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
32. States that vote by mail don't even have polling places.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:41 PM
1 hr ago

Ballots are also different based on where the person lives (since many elections are local and depend on the person's address).
So none of this is going to work.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
14. It's part of the normal appeals process
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:06 PM
1 hr ago

A temporary stay pending appeal is not at all unusual.

kentuck

(116,419 posts)
16. Can it be "temporary" until after the next election?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:10 PM
1 hr ago

Or is there a time limit on the stay?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
18. Courts tend to handle time sensitive election cases quicker than others
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:12 PM
1 hr ago

But SCOTUS doesn’t resume formally until October, although they have made emergency rulings during their summer recess.

kentuck

(116,419 posts)
19. I don't think anyone wants to put too much faith in this Court...
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:15 PM
1 hr ago

They have been known to make some truly dumbass decisions.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
24. They have, but have also ruled against Trump on a number of occasions
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:21 PM
1 hr ago

Including recently on birthright citizenship and the counting of mail in ballots.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/30/us-supreme-court-hands-trump-3-1-defeat-in-key-rulings-what-we-know

Just as with the counting of mail in ballots case, I believe the EO on mail in ballots contravenes both state and federal laws on who has the authority to determine whether someone may receive a mail in ballot, so if it gets a hearing in the next few weeks, hopefully there will be a final ruling by October.

AZJonnie

(4,338 posts)
22. Okay, well, the article has some fairly scary-sounding verbiage in any case
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:19 PM
1 hr ago
The panel found that USPS had made a strong showing that it is likely to succeed on two arguments: that the NAACP’s challenge to the proposed rule is not yet ripe for review, meaning the court may have acted too early, and that the rule likely would not violate the settlement even if finalized.

The appeals court also credited USPS’ argument that leaving Sullivan’s injunction in place would prevent the agency from issuing and implementing a final rule before the November 2026 general election


I'm no lawyer as I'm sure you are, so if I may inquire with an expert: Is it maybe a mistake to pin all hopes on a victorious 2020 lawsuit by the NAACP regarding a matter that seems fairly distinct from this one in its nature?

Or can that ruling be expected to hold up as cause to block this one?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
29. I'm no lawyer, I just read a lot.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:35 PM
1 hr ago

Again, remember this not even a ruling for USPS’s argument to maintain the ruling, it is just a ruling from a higher court that found the USPS argument persuasive enough to grant a stay pending appeal.

SCOTUS did rule against Trump recently on the question of whether mail in ballots could be counted if received after election day, and it quoted state law in its ruling- that is the most hopeful sign I can find that this case will also be resolved that way.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,907 posts)
13. Key word: temporarily
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:05 PM
1 hr ago

This is SOP for an appeals process, and shouldn’t surprise anyone who follows the courts.

The critical factor is the timing, and when it will reach SCOTUS.

Late September/early October seems the likely cutoff for a ruling to keep this from interfering with the midterms.

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
25. October?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:21 PM
1 hr ago

Let's say court rules USPS is allowed to do this. Then the states who vote by mail are screwed.

AZJonnie

(4,338 posts)
17. How the fuck is the USPS going to do this part: "use those lists to determine whether to transmit ballots"?
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:11 PM
1 hr ago

The USPS can't just figure this out on their own.

I strongly suspect that the way this will work is that the USPS will transmit the state's lists to the fcuking Trump administration, who will then run them through Grok (or similar), who will then use EVERYTHING it can find about every person, deduce who is going to vote for the GOP, and then transmit a list of those persons back to the USPS saying "okay, these are the people allowed to receive mail-in ballots, everyone else, don't send".

At least, nothing that I can find anywhere positively describes any mechanism by which what I describe above would be prevented from happening. In which case of course we're looking at a full-blown PRESIDENTIAL takeover (not federal, but presidential) of our STATE election processes (if it succeeds, which it better fucking NOT), in direct conflict with the US Constitution.

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
23. It makes no sense.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:20 PM
1 hr ago

USPS shouldn't be deciding who gets to vote.
And yet here we are.

Lifeafter70

(1,320 posts)
28. How does tha affect states that only vote by mail.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:32 PM
1 hr ago

Is it so the federal government can get voter information that they have been denied?

LisaL

(48,351 posts)
33. Obviously the states that only vote by mail are going to have huge problems.
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:44 PM
1 hr ago

Right now I would not trust post office one bit, because how in the world it is post office's job to decide who gets to vote? And yet somehow they think it's their job.

Lifeafter70

(1,320 posts)
34. I agree they are a federal agency and elections are state controlled
Fri Jul 17, 2026, 08:47 PM
59 min ago

Not understanding how the court allowed this.

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