Trump Admin Threatens to Stop Social Security If DOGE Can't Have Data
Source: Rolling Stone
Trumps interim Social Security chief says he wants to turn off the program if Musk and DOGE cant access Americans most sensitive data. Donald Trumps interim Social Security chief suggested Thursday night he will effectively turn off the agency that manages the essential safety net program for seniors and the disabled, if Elon Musk and his so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) cant access the non-anonymized sensitive personal information and data of hundreds of millions of Americans, based on a judges order.
My anti-fraud team would be DOGE affiliates. My IT staff would be DOGE affiliates, said Lee Dudek, acting Social Security Administration (SSA) commissioner, arguing the order was too broad, according to Bloomberg News. As it stands, I will follow it exactly and terminate access by all SSA employees to our IT systems, he said, adding: Really, I want to turn it off and let the courts figure out how they want to run a federal agency.
Dudeks threat to block SSA employees from using the agencys IT systems a move that could halt Social Security payments came in response to a judges temporary restraining order in a case brought by the AFL-CIO labor union. The order bars Social Security Administration officials from allowing DOGE, including Musk, and the SSAs DOGE team to access personally identifiable information. It also directs Musk and DOGE to delete from their possession all non-anonymized personal data, and bars them from having access to SSA computers or code.
Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander wrote that the SSA had likely violated administrative and privacy laws when it gave DOGE unbridled access to the personal and private data of millions of Americans, including but not limited to Social Security numbers, medical records, mental health records, hospitalization records, drivers license numbers, bank and credit card information, tax information, income history, work history, birth and marriage certificates, and home and work addresses. She added that the defendants, with so-called experts on the DOGE Team, never identified or articulated even a single reason for which the DOGE Team needs unlimited access to SSAs entire record systems, thereby exposing personal, confidential, sensitive, and private information that millions of Americans entrusted to their government.
Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-musk-stop-social-security-doge-data-1235300785/

Wingus Dingus
(8,952 posts)Answer: they don't. They WANT it, either for use in AI, or to investigate/punish/harass, or to sell to highest bidders.
Baitball Blogger
(49,900 posts)They might, in their twisted minds, believe that someone has managed to turn the SS into a private slush fund, but they haven't found that evidence yet.
BlueKota
(4,230 posts)Irish_Dem
(69,096 posts)Selling the data, or turning it over to the private company which will be the new manager of SS.
OG MoneyClips
(1 post)I suspect that they were going to shut down Social Security, Medicare, SNAP and Medicaid. That was the plan all along. They needed a scapegoat to pin the blame on. A judge fits that bill perfectly. When that day comes, there will be riots in the streets.
Irish_Dem
(69,096 posts)It is well known that Trump is going to shut down SS.
But there are other things going on with the data as well.
Welcome to DU!
diverdownjt
(728 posts)and then remotely steal all funds therein.
And with all of sensitive data they will be able to do it to all if us.
Sounds about right to me...He(trump) is the worlds greatest con man, this is what they do.
Irish_Dem
(69,096 posts)And or selling it to our enemies.
PatSeg
(50,109 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(162,388 posts)Easterncedar
(4,308 posts)That is all
NotHardly
(2,081 posts)IbogaProject
(4,336 posts)They want to cross index the data and be selective with cutoffs, with very bad intensions.
Hekate
(97,455 posts)returnee
(527 posts)angrychair
(10,571 posts)This isn't looking at someone's bank account. This is an incredible large and complicated system.
No known eLoon cultists are experts in government systems or bookkeeping or know anything about forensic accounting or in any way otherwise qualified to do the tasks they are doing and this is clearly evident by the "results" they have produced so far.
diverdownjt
(728 posts)PatSeg
(50,109 posts)I believe that they want the information for future use and they want to destroy Social Security once and for all. I'm quite sure that they know there is no major fraud; that is just an excuse to wreak havoc on a highly successful program.
Trueblue1968
(18,492 posts)ReRe
(11,585 posts)Think of the 73 million people plus their families that this would affect and how they are probably feeling right now. That excuse of a man was not elected, was not vetted, was not confirmed by the Senate, and hell, no one knows if he's a real citizen of the United States! I don't care if he is richer than God, I don't trust him! I know I have been having my 19th nervous breakdown ever since the GD election and it has only intensified since Jan 20th.
Littlered
(236 posts)Isnt given to falling prey when it comes to conspiracy theories. I would imagine it is far more benign. Sounds like it has more to do with cross referencing data bases searching for fraud and or house cleaning. Which would be impossible without having all of the data available, personal and otherwise.
Personally, this is another area that just isnt getting me worked up. Until PROVED otherwise. I will take them at their word. As far as it all pertains to me? Apple tells me 206 of my and my (and my wifes) passwords have been compromised. I finally quit changing them. They get compromised within weeks again anyways. Credit wise says there are at least 14 instances of my personal information being displayed on the dark web that include my ssn. My Full name and address are on display at the BOE. Im not sure what doge can do to me. Or even why they would care ? unless something odd came up. I dunno, maybe Ive just reached the point of defeat and no longer care? Maybe my defense mechanisms have taken over and I cant allow myself to face it? What I do know; its time for a drink. 🥃 Heres to wishing you a wonderful day, cheers.
C_U_L8R
(47,221 posts)But we have medieval ideas how to deal with assholes like this who fuck with our retirements. Just try it, punk.
CrispyQ
(39,557 posts)
A bunch of us know pig Latin, too.

et tu
(2,171 posts)Evolve Dammit
(20,547 posts)Prairie_Seagull
(4,135 posts)Wish I could rec your post more than once.
OMGWTF
(4,685 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,361 posts)
ComtesseDeSpair
(552 posts)for one of those security squad members to Luigi Musk and/or Trump. I mean, seriously - is there NO ONE willing to go down in the history books as the one who saved the USA and prevented WWIII?
Lovie777
(18,230 posts)plenty of USA citizens are getting fed up. They feel we are hostages by terrorists know as the US government as well as the republican party.
FakeNoose
(37,242 posts)There doesn't seem to be any useful purpose in this. He won't find any illegal aliens in the SSA data.
Wednesdays
(20,488 posts)It's that cash, that billions (trillions?) of dollars in that fund, that is the target.
pbmus
(12,482 posts)Bengus81
(8,739 posts)it's really over and we're screwed but that is NOT the case. People are already fighting back and ending SS or even cutting it will be the real test of democracy.
TommieMommy
(1,890 posts)ShazzieB
(20,440 posts)I'm sure a lot of them (US) will be looking for asses to kick if that happens!
JohnSJ
(98,506 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,952 posts)Let us do what we want with your information or we withhold your money.
JohnSJ
(98,506 posts)dobleremolque
(1,004 posts)
CrispyQ
(39,557 posts)Whenever I mentioned Project 2025 I was told I was overreacting.
JohnSJ
(98,506 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,425 posts)Give it another few weeks for all of this to start hitting local.
GAdem2016
(49 posts)BComplex
(9,393 posts)I'm outraged at this extortion attempt.
Justice matters.
(8,329 posts)They will vote against their own self-interests until the day they'll die.
mdbl
(6,360 posts)Bengus81
(8,739 posts)and did nothing for the next three years. FDR won all but six States in 1932 and only lost 2 States in 1936. These MAGA fools are already getting a taste of what Trump will do to them with the Medicaid cuts.
Wednesdays
(20,488 posts)Yeah, right. Fox News, The Washington Times, and hate radio will tell everyone it's all the Democrats' fault. And like obedient zombies, they will vote the same people back in again.
BComplex
(9,393 posts)I'm sick of it all.
Bengus81
(8,739 posts)in the SS Administration and making prime the pump statements like the Ponzi scheme BS. Republicans know who's responsible, hence the republican scream fest at their town halls.
BBbats
(194 posts)BlueKota
(4,230 posts)The fact that no Rs seemed to be worried about the backlash they are getting is a big red flag. They heard tsf loud and clear when he said people wouldn't have to vote anymore.
MFM008
(20,040 posts)As musk is messing with algorithms.
BComplex
(9,393 posts)was stollen so much that now the Dems are afraid to say it. Pretty fucking clever of the oligarchs to make this all come to pass.
Nikossitti
(334 posts)The answer is no. Go and and try. Do it.
rubbersole
(9,733 posts)You can't imagine how pissed off patriots will come after you. Your greed is going to be what stops you.
Baitball Blogger
(49,900 posts)They are after that data for some nefarious reason.
Prairie_Seagull
(4,135 posts)'Might' have waste, fraud and abuse as a reason is not good enough to stop SS if you don't get your way.
We have to assume nefarious intent!
Akoto
(4,291 posts)UpInArms
(52,708 posts)Of money that came from working people
NotHardly
(2,081 posts)The tens of millions dependent on SS and their families and friends will have an answer for that shit.
Are we about to find out how f*cking stupid they are?
UpInArms
(52,708 posts)then, have nothing to lose
tetedur
(1,241 posts)who are going to riot in the streets. Maybe you will just call Hegseth to shoot them all. Do you have enough ammo? Or are you just going to drop a tactical nuke in the streets of our major cities?
Okay, this is break the glass and pull the alarm time.
LoisB
(10,254 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,425 posts)BlueKota
(4,230 posts)Think. Again.
(22,330 posts)
Oh schumer, you're so funny!
Tom Rinaldo
(23,096 posts)Do it. Yes people will suffer, but it will be very brief, then a tidal wave will wash your kind away. Better a jolt of pain now leading to liberation than our nation being bled to death by billionaire leaches. It's not just Seniors who will turn against you, but their children and grandchildren too. Prove how viscous AND stupid you are. Do it. Even the Republican Senate won't stand for that. Trump's spell will shatter and his ultimate ugliness will be fully exposed. Go ahead, hasten your downfall.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(16,081 posts)of all things American ie: governmental agencies, is beginning to give me ideas. Like shutting down SSI until the courts figure it out? That is a very poor distraction job by Dudek. As head of the Agency I'm sure his responsibilities DO NOT include abandoning ship, so to speak, instead of following the ruling by the court. I guess what I'd like to see is a daily press conference led by some of our more well known D's in both Houses, highlighting the BS and calling out those who create it. At least then I might feel a little like someone is doing something to rein in the Regime aka TUSK................
Think. Again.
(22,330 posts)Evolve Dammit
(20,547 posts)Eugene
(64,693 posts)File under: Just Plain Evil
jmbar2
(6,839 posts)What th' F!
Think. Again.
(22,330 posts)....be a shame if something happened to it."
dreamland
(1,099 posts)Every man, woman, and child will be in the streets hunting him down.
RobinA
(10,310 posts)the recipients. SS pumps how many dollars into the economy? Approximately 1.5 billion a year? That might get noticed pretty fast.
Hotler
(13,045 posts)They'll start with bank accounts.
Paladin
(30,283 posts)Bernie Sanders can't do it all by himself. If anything can kneecap trump and put Democrats back in power, fucking around with the whole country's Social Security payments is it. Schumer and the rest of Democratic leadership: Try not to fuck up this opportunity...
Ruby the Liberal
(26,425 posts)dalton99a
(88,387 posts)Scrivener7
(55,542 posts)I love the Rolling Stone but they shouldnt have to be the ones breaking this news.
bluestarone
(19,711 posts)Pay the ultimate price, and all hell will break loose. I'm 100% sure of that.
Beck23
(375 posts)I kill the old people.
ananda
(31,598 posts)Catch 22
Ruby the Liberal
(26,425 posts)PortTack
(35,616 posts)zanana1
(6,368 posts)WestMichRad
(2,267 posts)Governing by extortion. How will the corporate media sane wash this?
Oh, right, theyll just ignore it.
Hornedfrog2000
(155 posts)Lets do this already. Watching this 10 year old slow motion trainwreck is enough. We are the majority. Lets end this.
Zorro
(17,310 posts)to declare martial law.
Might be part of the plan, if there is such a plan.
Why would anyone obey it? None of them obey the law. There would be a massive revolution. And they couldnt stop it.
kimbutgar
(24,971 posts)ananda
(31,598 posts)Sheesh
usonian
(17,340 posts)
littlemissmartypants
(27,414 posts)usonian
(17,340 posts)33taw
(3,159 posts)no_hypocrisy
(51,363 posts)33taw
(3,159 posts)IronLionZion
(48,653 posts)DOGE is clearly not doing any audits. That's just the cover story for whatever sketchy things they are actually doing.
33taw
(3,159 posts)It clearly isn't.
Turbineguy
(38,997 posts)I wonder how long he's been collecting Social Security.
dweller
(26,502 posts)THE FO ZONE
✌🏻
SheltieLover
(67,203 posts)
Katinfl
(351 posts)But I could never see trump getting elected once, not to mention twice. So what do I know? The reality is that nothing anymore is impossible or unthinkable. We are living it.
maddiemom
(5,118 posts)For him, just winning the actual MOST VOTES must SEEM like a mandate----and talk about GRACIOUS WINNERS...
Doodley
(10,827 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,425 posts)in Memphis and Atlanta, my guess is that they are going to seize the SS/Med Trust, hand it to a bunch of hedge funds and attempt to run it via AI.
That means model learning - which means large relevant data sets will need to be ingested.
Ready on Day 1.
dchill
(42,199 posts)... enemies are collecting Social Security. Need more clues?
MarineCombatEngineer
(15,182 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(7,759 posts)Those supporters who are on SS while also being sycophantic over him support him spiritually, mentally, and socially, but they cannot give him real money if he wants it, so he won't care about them. They are good for photo ops and gatherings, that is it. Ask any of those who went to that rally in the cold. He did not care about any of them once the press was gone. His peons will blindly follow whatever he says without question. They will die in the gutter asking him for forgiveness to enter heaven and never even accept that he was the cause of their demise. But they are not rich, so they do not exist for the orange gibbon.
dchill
(42,199 posts)Right before the 2024 election, I got an email telling me that who I voted for would be a matter of public record (I'm in PA). If that's true, that could be all they needed.
spooky3
(37,419 posts)His ass in jail if he refuses to comply with the court order.
Bayard
(24,852 posts)If all of us file bankruptcy, (or just stop paying any bills,) the banks will come for them.
Can this be done by EO? I thought Congress had to authorize it. Of course, trump didn't need Congress to shut down the Dept. of Education.....
Evolve Dammit
(20,547 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(55,108 posts)SSJVegeta
(456 posts)
ImNotGod
(670 posts)Ol Janx Spirit
(160 posts)rubbersole
(9,733 posts)...oh, wait.
Ol Janx Spirit
(160 posts)fshrink
(3,415 posts)Daleuhlmann
(618 posts)Hey, MAGA supporters who depend on Social Security: This.what you'd voted for!
valleyrogue
(2,039 posts)as well hang it up.
2naSalit
(96,633 posts)
Montauk6
(9,047 posts)bluestarone
(19,711 posts)Religious and on social security, so i triple dog dare these fools to do that!
MayReasonRule
(3,269 posts)
Nictuku
(4,182 posts)I appreciate it. I didn't want to give out my email address to read it.
LetMyPeopleVote
(162,388 posts)Wiz Imp
(4,856 posts)Stopping SS payments would harm large numbers of people on both sides of the political aisle.
YoshidaYui
(43,622 posts)All businesses will stop and not participate in business until Social Security is restored fuck him!
flamingdem
(40,398 posts)We need to be in preparation mode for this. Hope people are ready to help seniors in need. And I hope seniors are ready to jam the phones and show up for rallies.
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)These MAGA Trump people are crazy.
WVreaper
(658 posts)Just take your fucking ball and go back to the hole you crawled out of.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(122,338 posts)
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)if they do this, they should expect a national uprising and a riot that will make J6 look like a tea party.
yellow dahlia
(2,320 posts)It telegraphs that they are planning to cut people off.
Trump Cabinet official doubts seniors would be upset over missed Social Security payments
In the AlterNet, written by Carl Gibson
March 21, 2025
/snip
In one exchange, Lutnick who has a net worth of approximately $2 billion according to Investopedia suggested that the best approach to root out fraud within the Social Security Administration (SSA) was to "stop payments and listen." He also argued that only a "fraudster" would call the SSA if they missed their monthly Social Security payment.
"I describe it to people this way: Let's say Social Security didn't send out their checks this month. My mother-in-law, who is 94, she wouldn't call and complain. She just wouldn't. She'd think something got messed up, and she'll get it next month," said Lutnick, who paid for his 16,250 square-foot mansion with $25 million in cash. "A fraudster always makes the loudest noise, screaming, yelling and complaining."
/snip
Lutnick's assertion that Social Security beneficiaries would be unbothered by a missed payment ignores the fact that for millions of recipients, those monthly benefits are critical. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, nearly four in 10 American adults aged 65 and up would have incomes below the official poverty line without Social Security. Alex Lawson, who is executive director of the advocacy group Social Security Works, told AlterNet that Lutnick's remarks reveal "the problem with government by the billionaires for the billionaires."
The clip from the interview is at the end of the article. Here is the link.
https://www.alternet.org/trump-official-social-security/
Seinan Sensei
(945 posts)louis-t
(24,289 posts)You think your numbers are in the tank now?
SergeStorms
(19,601 posts)Instant karma's going to get you.......😡 Piss every one of your most solid voting block off, you freaking idiots! Go on, I dare ya'.
Martin68
(25,614 posts)BrianTheEVGuy
(697 posts)Do it.
Republicans will lose power for a generation.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,425 posts)Those pimple faced incel hackers wouldn't know how to even maintain a COBOL system.
If you shut it down, it isn't restarting.
And we know you know that. Asshole.
OverBurn
(1,201 posts)Donnie.
Ohioboy
(3,652 posts)In short order this economy would go down the toilet. People wait for their SS to buy necessities like food, gas, electricity, etc. Want to be remembered as the administration that ruined the economy? Have at it idiots.
erpowers
(9,419 posts)I may be wrong, but if Donald Trump and the Republicans end Social Security I think Trump and the Republicans are done. If Trump wants Republicans to lose control of Congress, ending Social Security might be the way to make that happen. It does not seem like most people want Elon Musk messing with the private financial information. Ending Social Security might just break the hold Donald Trump has on his supporters.
Abstractartist
(230 posts)If Social Security were to stop, there would be anarchy in the streets, and the congress members who would vote for it better locate themselves into a bunker. Even the hardened MAGAs who are militia members and 2nd amendment supporters have mothers, fathers, grandparents on Social Security, and they are not going to let ANYONE MESS WITH MAMA.
Trump know this too. So does everyone in the government. Musk would be a walking target if his bs caused SS to go, and dare I say every top government leader including the Supreme Court, cabinet members, Etc would not be advised to eat dinner outside of their own kitchen.
Bluethroughu
(7,201 posts)This was a domestic terrorist attack on the American people!
SunSeeker
(55,626 posts)Federal judge pushes back on acting Social Security head over threat to close agency
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/03/21/social-security-benefits-trump-doge/
MFM008
(20,040 posts)I double dog dare you
You will light the fuse.
lonely bird
(2,280 posts)Throw everyone that voted Republican off Soc Sec including Soc Sec disability.
Throw them off Medicare and Medicaid.
Enough with these fucking imbeciles.
GreenWave
(11,108 posts)The judge said in the ruling that the team is on a "fishing expedition" that ultimately jeopardizes Americans' personal data.
The defense does not appear to share a privacy concern for the millions of Americans whose SSA records were made available to the DOGE affiliates, without their consent, the judge wrote.
But the ruling goes beyond mentioning DOGE employees.
CNBC noted that the temporary restraining order "blocks the Social Security Administration, acting commissioner Leland Dudek and chief information officer Michael Russo, as well as all related agents and employees working with them, from granting access to any system containing personally identifiable information."
The judge also pointed out the irony that those working for DOGE enjoy privacy from the public.