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Mr. Sparkle

(3,421 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 09:59 AM Mar 21

Trump Admin Threatens to Stop Social Security If DOGE Can't Have Data

Source: Rolling Stone

Trump’s interim Social Security chief says he wants to turn off the program if Musk and DOGE can’t access Americans’ most sensitive data. Donald Trump’s interim Social Security chief suggested Thursday night he will effectively turn off the agency that manages the essential safety net program for seniors and the disabled, if Elon Musk and his so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) can’t access the non-anonymized sensitive personal information and data of hundreds of millions of Americans, based on a judge’s order.

“My anti-fraud team would be DOGE affiliates. My IT staff would be DOGE affiliates,” said Lee Dudek, acting Social Security Administration (SSA) commissioner, arguing the order was too broad, according to Bloomberg News. “As it stands, I will follow it exactly and terminate access by all SSA employees to our IT systems,” he said, adding: “Really, I want to turn it off and let the courts figure out how they want to run a federal agency.”

Dudek’s threat to block SSA employees from using the agency’s IT systems — a move that could halt Social Security payments — came in response to a judge’s temporary restraining order in a case brought by the AFL-CIO labor union. The order bars Social Security Administration officials from allowing DOGE, including Musk, and the SSA’s DOGE team to access personally identifiable information. It also directs Musk and DOGE to delete from their possession all non-anonymized personal data, and bars them from having access to SSA computers or code.

Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander wrote that the SSA had likely violated administrative and privacy laws when it gave DOGE “unbridled access to the personal and private data of millions of Americans, including but not limited to Social Security numbers, medical records, mental health records, hospitalization records, drivers’ license numbers, bank and credit card information, tax information, income history, work history, birth and marriage certificates, and home and work addresses.” She added that the “defendants, with so-called experts on the DOGE Team, never identified or articulated even a single reason for which the DOGE Team needs unlimited access to SSA’s entire record systems, thereby exposing personal, confidential, sensitive, and private information that millions of Americans entrusted to their government.”

Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-musk-stop-social-security-doge-data-1235300785/

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Trump Admin Threatens to Stop Social Security If DOGE Can't Have Data (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Mar 21 OP
Why would they need any of that information? Wingus Dingus Mar 21 #1
I disagree. They're looking for something. Baitball Blogger Mar 21 #8
They will plant fake evidence if they cannot find any BlueKota Mar 21 #14
Yes they are doing this for specific reasons. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #18
I don't think so OG MoneyClips Mar 21 #108
Well yes of course that is one of the specific reasons. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #116
Or...they are putting back doors to the computer systems... diverdownjt Mar 22 #144
Yes I think there is a high probability of hacking the system for theft purposes. Irish_Dem Mar 22 #146
Ah yes, that is also a possibility PatSeg Mar 22 #149
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 22 #156
They want to steal the money Easterncedar Mar 21 #46
They'll PLANT 'evidence' & then come for you. NotHardly Mar 21 #58
Simpler IbogaProject Mar 21 #62
They'll plant stuff. But the money is what they are looking for, & they mean to have it Hekate Mar 21 #63
You mean someone beat them to it? n/t returnee Mar 21 #103
Sorry this is ridiculous angrychair Mar 21 #106
They are hackers...it's what they do... diverdownjt Mar 22 #145
I think their objectives are far more sinister than that PatSeg Mar 22 #148
Time to French Revolution Trump, MuskOx and all the GOPig politicisns !!!! Trueblue1968 Mar 21 #110
I think another reason might be pure terrorism. ReRe Mar 21 #120
Being a person that usually Littlered Mar 22 #152
We may be old C_U_L8R Mar 21 #2
And the resistance knows how to read & write cursive. CrispyQ Mar 21 #24
etterbe arefulca nt et tu Mar 21 #32
ixnay on the rumptray lanplay? It's been awhile.... Evolve Dammit Mar 21 #69
Medieval indeed. Prairie_Seagull Mar 21 #48
A life sentence doesn't mean that much to us old people OMGWTF Mar 21 #61
This is why they have massive security squads. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 21 #134
And I'm waiting... ComtesseDeSpair Mar 22 #147
Wrong move................... Lovie777 Mar 21 #3
Yes, Chump is about to alienate a large number of people who voted for him FakeNoose Mar 21 #73
He won't find any illegal aliens, but plenty of $$$. Wednesdays Mar 21 #82
2.7 TRILLION pbmus Mar 22 #139
If there weren't all those Republicans screaming at their reps at town halls we'd know Bengus81 Mar 22 #153
There will be a lot of pissed off people who would want to kick his ass 😡😡 TommieMommy Mar 21 #4
There will also be a lot of people thrown out on the street when they (WE) can't pay their (OUR) rent! ShazzieB Mar 21 #117
Are the MSM reporting this threat? JohnSJ Mar 21 #5
Sounds like extortion to me. Wingus Dingus Mar 21 #13
Yes, or blakcmail. JohnSJ Mar 21 #66
Extortion it is ..... dobleremolque Mar 21 #91
I would like to know what my senior relatives who listen to Fox/Newsmax/OANN are hearing. CrispyQ Mar 21 #54
Ask them again in a few months. Willful ignorance of the coming storm. JohnSJ Mar 21 #67
Its only been 2 months and a day Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #124
Call their bluff. You think people are mad now? Do it. I dare you. They don't call it the third rail for nothing. /nt GAdem2016 Mar 21 #6
No republican would EVER be elected ever again. BComplex Mar 21 #33
You'd be suprised by the cruel stupidity of the uninformed. Justice matters. Mar 21 #74
Especially if they are given someone to hate mdbl Mar 21 #109
They woke the fuck up when Hoover did nothing after the market crash in 1929 Bengus81 Mar 22 #154
"No republican would EVER be elected ever again" Wednesdays Mar 21 #83
You've got a point. We wouldn't be in this mess if the right didn't control the entire message in this country. BComplex Mar 21 #92
They can try but it won't work. Way to much LIGHT on Musk. Everyone know who's fucking around Bengus81 Mar 22 #155
I don't think there is going to be a fair election ever again. BBbats Mar 21 #122
I think you're right. BlueKota Mar 21 #136
Not as long MFM008 Mar 22 #141
And nobody has apparently done the first audit! This is the result of trump/republicans saying the 2020 election BComplex Mar 22 #150
That was my immediate thought Nikossitti Mar 21 #76
Do it motherfuckers. rubbersole Mar 21 #85
This isn't passing the smell test. Baitball Blogger Mar 21 #7
They won't tell us what the hell they want this info for. Prairie_Seagull Mar 21 #56
This crap is why I'm trying desperately to leave disability. Just have to find remote work. nt Akoto Mar 21 #9
If they stop social security payments, it is outright theft UpInArms Mar 21 #10
2nd Amendment solution in the offing if that happens NotHardly Mar 21 #37
I don't think it wise to piss off folks who UpInArms Mar 21 #72
Mr. Dudek, turn it off and you figure out how you are going to imprison 100's of 1000's of seniors tetedur Mar 21 #11
millions of seniors LoisB Mar 21 #86
SSA processes 72 million checks a month Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #126
But they promised they wouldn't if enough Democrats voted with them on their budget 🙄 BlueKota Mar 21 #12
.... Think. Again. Mar 21 #20
Light the fuse, asshole, and watch it all blow up in Trump's face Tom Rinaldo Mar 21 #15
The idea that these numb skulls have wormed their way into the framework Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 21 #16
Dudek is not concerned with his official "responsibilities". Think. Again. Mar 21 #21
in 60 days.... And he already said he wanted the economy to collapse. FAFO and yes to daily pressers. Overdue Evolve Dammit Mar 21 #75
Hostage taking. If the DOGE goons can't abuse the hostages, the goons will execute them. Eugene Mar 21 #17
Give us the data or we harm 70 million Americans! jmbar2 Mar 21 #19
"Nice social safety net ya got there... Think. Again. Mar 21 #22
I'd like to see him try to stop SS dreamland Mar 21 #23
It's Not Only RobinA Mar 21 #80
The richest man in the world wants to steal your money. It's not just S.S., it's everything you own. Hotler Mar 21 #25
Democratic leadership better acquire some courage, real Goddamn fast. Paladin Mar 21 #26
+1 dalton99a Mar 21 #28
So very much this Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #128
Kick dalton99a Mar 21 #27
This should be the headline on every news outlet in every corner of the USA. Scrivener7 Mar 21 #29
This Mz Pip Mar 21 #51
IF and i mean IF these traitors succeed in destroying SS, somehow somebody will bluestarone Mar 21 #30
Let me break the law or Beck23 Mar 21 #31
It happens either way in this admin. ananda Mar 21 #42
Die for the Dow round 2 Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #129
Not sure that making open threats like that will stand in a court of law. PortTack Mar 21 #34
Isn't that extortion? zanana1 Mar 21 #35
Ya think?!! WestMichRad Mar 21 #78
Omg do it. Hornedfrog2000 Mar 21 #36
The response to turning off SS will give Trump the excuse Zorro Mar 21 #38
So? Chi67 Mar 21 #119
So his doge department of government elimination can get rid of social security and Medicare kimbutgar Mar 21 #39
Craycray. What difference does it make? ananda Mar 21 #40
He touched the third rail. usonian Mar 21 #41
I wish. littlemissmartypants Mar 21 #60
See my next OP usonian Mar 21 #68
How about they hire an actual audit firm to conduct and independent audit? 33taw Mar 21 #43
KPMG should be qualified. no_hypocrisy Mar 21 #44
For this size of audit they need to identify scope and got out to bid. 33taw Mar 21 #47
What? You don't trust 19 year old hacker boys? IronLionZion Mar 21 #59
I know. But, they present it as an audit. 33taw Mar 21 #77
Today is J.S. Bach's 340th birthday Turbineguy Mar 21 #45
We have now entered dweller Mar 21 #49
Kick SheltieLover Mar 21 #50
I can't ever see that happening. Katinfl Mar 21 #52
Trump only won by popular vote this lasr time. maddiemom Mar 22 #142
Why do the want all that personal data? Is it to build an extermination list? Doodley Mar 21 #53
Since Musk owns the 2 largest data centers in the country Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #130
Trump and Musk know that many of their... dchill Mar 21 #55
Yes, but so are many of his supporters. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 21 #64
True, but he does not care. OldBaldy1701E Mar 21 #102
THAT'S why they need your data! dchill Mar 21 #131
He's not immune. Hold him in contempt and put spooky3 Mar 21 #57
We won't have to hunt them down Bayard Mar 21 #65
So now we are the hostages to their scheme? Give us all your sensitive info, or you won't see another dime. Suckers Evolve Dammit Mar 21 #70
Most orange gangster ever. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 21 #71
That'll make him popular SSJVegeta Mar 21 #79
Its a good thing we caved on the debt so tRump can't shut down SS, oh wait, oops. nt ImNotGod Mar 21 #81
Dudek better start asking for a pardon now before the line gets too long. First crime in; first pardon out... N/T Ol Janx Spirit Mar 21 #84
Pam Bondi will have his ass arrested immediately... rubbersole Mar 21 #89
Bondi won't, but if they fail in their authoritarian coup there will eventually be a new sheriff in town... N/T Ol Janx Spirit Mar 21 #97
Can there be a class action? (nt) fshrink Mar 21 #87
If Dudek Does This, Then Senior Citizens Should Take to the Streets! Daleuhlmann Mar 21 #88
They tamper with it, they might valleyrogue Mar 21 #90
This won't end well. 2naSalit Mar 21 #93
TERRORISM Montauk6 Mar 21 #94
I would venture a guess here that more than 50 % of his followers are bluestarone Mar 21 #95
There Would Definitely Be Greater ""LOVE"" Demonstrated Than On Janurary 6th By The MAGATS MayReasonRule Mar 21 #96
Thank you for posting Nictuku Mar 21 #98
These are the rants of a spoiled child LetMyPeopleVote Mar 21 #99
Voters over age 65 split between Trump & Harris about 50/50 Wiz Imp Mar 21 #100
Go ahead make our day YoshidaYui Mar 21 #101
Go ahead and make our day flamingdem Mar 21 #104
Following Baron2024 Mar 21 #105
Hey DOGE WVreaper Mar 21 #107
Go ahead and step on that land mine dipshit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 21 #111
A Riot Baron2024 Mar 21 #112
Did you hear about the statement Lutnick made in an interview? yellow dahlia Mar 21 #113
In what alternative universe does this make sense? Seinan Sensei Mar 21 #135
Try it, asshole. louis-t Mar 21 #114
Yeah, go ahead. SergeStorms Mar 21 #115
Go for it dude. You are signing your own death warrant. Martin68 Mar 21 #118
Go ahead BrianTheEVGuy Mar 21 #121
Bullshit Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #123
Lucky I don't depend on the SS check, sorry for lots that due, please stop for 1 or 2 weeks and see what happens dipshit OverBurn Mar 21 #125
Don't these idiots know that missing payments would crash the economy Ohioboy Mar 21 #127
Let The Try erpowers Mar 21 #132
If it was to stop Abstractartist Mar 21 #133
Lock them all up! Bluethroughu Mar 21 #137
The judge told him he was wrong about what her order said, so he backtracked. SunSeeker Mar 22 #138
I dare you asshole MFM008 Mar 22 #140
OK lonely bird Mar 22 #143
BREAKING: JUDGE RULES AGAINST TRUMP AND DOGE ON SOCIAL SECURITY. GreenWave Mar 22 #151
He will do it anyway. But he's not stooping it - they're stealing it. FDRFTW Mar 22 #157

Wingus Dingus

(8,952 posts)
1. Why would they need any of that information?
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:02 AM
Mar 21

Answer: they don't. They WANT it, either for use in AI, or to investigate/punish/harass, or to sell to highest bidders.

Baitball Blogger

(49,900 posts)
8. I disagree. They're looking for something.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:11 AM
Mar 21

They might, in their twisted minds, believe that someone has managed to turn the SS into a private slush fund, but they haven't found that evidence yet.

Irish_Dem

(69,096 posts)
18. Yes they are doing this for specific reasons.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:20 AM
Mar 21

Selling the data, or turning it over to the private company which will be the new manager of SS.

OG MoneyClips

(1 post)
108. I don't think so
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 04:35 PM
Mar 21

I suspect that they were going to shut down Social Security, Medicare, SNAP and Medicaid. That was the plan all along. They needed a scapegoat to pin the blame on. A judge fits that bill perfectly. When that day comes, there will be riots in the streets.

Irish_Dem

(69,096 posts)
116. Well yes of course that is one of the specific reasons.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 05:24 PM
Mar 21

It is well known that Trump is going to shut down SS.
But there are other things going on with the data as well.

Welcome to DU!

diverdownjt

(728 posts)
144. Or...they are putting back doors to the computer systems...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:41 AM
Mar 22

and then remotely steal all funds therein.

And with all of sensitive data they will be able to do it to all if us.

Sounds about right to me...He(trump) is the worlds greatest con man, this is what they do.

Irish_Dem

(69,096 posts)
146. Yes I think there is a high probability of hacking the system for theft purposes.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:02 AM
Mar 22

And or selling it to our enemies.

IbogaProject

(4,336 posts)
62. Simpler
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:46 AM
Mar 21

They want to cross index the data and be selective with cutoffs, with very bad intensions.

angrychair

(10,571 posts)
106. Sorry this is ridiculous
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 04:23 PM
Mar 21

This isn't looking at someone's bank account. This is an incredible large and complicated system.
No known eLoon cultists are experts in government systems or bookkeeping or know anything about forensic accounting or in any way otherwise qualified to do the tasks they are doing and this is clearly evident by the "results" they have produced so far.

PatSeg

(50,109 posts)
148. I think their objectives are far more sinister than that
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:49 AM
Mar 22

I believe that they want the information for future use and they want to destroy Social Security once and for all. I'm quite sure that they know there is no major fraud; that is just an excuse to wreak havoc on a highly successful program.

ReRe

(11,585 posts)
120. I think another reason might be pure terrorism.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:20 PM
Mar 21

Think of the 73 million people plus their families that this would affect and how they are probably feeling right now. That excuse of a man was not elected, was not vetted, was not confirmed by the Senate, and hell, no one knows if he's a real citizen of the United States! I don't care if he is richer than God, I don't trust him! I know I have been having my 19th nervous breakdown ever since the GD election and it has only intensified since Jan 20th.

Littlered

(236 posts)
152. Being a person that usually
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:43 PM
Mar 22

Isn’t given to falling prey when it comes to conspiracy theories. I would imagine it is far more benign. Sounds like it has more to do with cross referencing data bases searching for fraud and or “house cleaning.” Which would be impossible without having all of the data available, personal and otherwise.

Personally, this is another area that just isn’t getting me worked up. Until PROVED otherwise. I will take them at their word. As far as it all pertains to me? Apple tells me 206 of my and my (and my wife’s) passwords have been compromised. I finally quit changing them. They get compromised within weeks again anyways. Credit wise says there are at least 14 instances of my personal information being displayed on the dark web that include my ssn. My Full name and address are on display at the BOE. I’m not sure what doge can do to me. Or even why they would care ? unless something odd came up. I dunno, maybe I’ve just reached the point of defeat and no longer care? Maybe my defense mechanisms have taken over and I can’t allow myself to face it? What I do know; it’s time for a drink. 🥃 Here’s to wishing you a wonderful day, cheers.

C_U_L8R

(47,221 posts)
2. We may be old
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:04 AM
Mar 21

But we have medieval ideas how to deal with assholes like this who fuck with our retirements. Just try it, punk.

CrispyQ

(39,557 posts)
24. And the resistance knows how to read & write cursive.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:47 AM
Mar 21


A bunch of us know pig Latin, too.

ComtesseDeSpair

(552 posts)
147. And I'm waiting...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:42 AM
Mar 22

for one of those security squad members to Luigi Musk and/or Trump. I mean, seriously - is there NO ONE willing to go down in the history books as the one who saved the USA and prevented WWIII?

Lovie777

(18,230 posts)
3. Wrong move...................
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:05 AM
Mar 21

plenty of USA citizens are getting fed up. They feel we are hostages by terrorists know as the US government as well as the republican party.

FakeNoose

(37,242 posts)
73. Yes, Chump is about to alienate a large number of people who voted for him
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:57 AM
Mar 21

There doesn't seem to be any useful purpose in this. He won't find any illegal aliens in the SSA data.

Wednesdays

(20,488 posts)
82. He won't find any illegal aliens, but plenty of $$$.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:20 PM
Mar 21

It's that cash, that billions (trillions?) of dollars in that fund, that is the target.

Bengus81

(8,739 posts)
153. If there weren't all those Republicans screaming at their reps at town halls we'd know
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:32 PM
Mar 22

it's really over and we're screwed but that is NOT the case. People are already fighting back and ending SS or even cutting it will be the real test of democracy.

ShazzieB

(20,440 posts)
117. There will also be a lot of people thrown out on the street when they (WE) can't pay their (OUR) rent!
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 05:27 PM
Mar 21

I'm sure a lot of them (US) will be looking for asses to kick if that happens!

Wingus Dingus

(8,952 posts)
13. Sounds like extortion to me.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:16 AM
Mar 21

Let us do what we want with your information or we withhold your money.

CrispyQ

(39,557 posts)
54. I would like to know what my senior relatives who listen to Fox/Newsmax/OANN are hearing.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:40 AM
Mar 21

Whenever I mentioned Project 2025 I was told I was overreacting.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,425 posts)
124. Its only been 2 months and a day
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:23 PM
Mar 21

Give it another few weeks for all of this to start hitting local.

GAdem2016

(49 posts)
6. Call their bluff. You think people are mad now? Do it. I dare you. They don't call it the third rail for nothing. /nt
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:07 AM
Mar 21

Justice matters.

(8,329 posts)
74. You'd be suprised by the cruel stupidity of the uninformed.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:58 AM
Mar 21

They will vote against their own self-interests until the day they'll die.

Bengus81

(8,739 posts)
154. They woke the fuck up when Hoover did nothing after the market crash in 1929
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:37 PM
Mar 22

and did nothing for the next three years. FDR won all but six States in 1932 and only lost 2 States in 1936. These MAGA fools are already getting a taste of what Trump will do to them with the Medicaid cuts.

Wednesdays

(20,488 posts)
83. "No republican would EVER be elected ever again"
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:26 PM
Mar 21

Yeah, right. Fox News, The Washington Times, and hate radio will tell everyone it's all the Democrats' fault. And like obedient zombies, they will vote the same people back in again.

BComplex

(9,393 posts)
92. You've got a point. We wouldn't be in this mess if the right didn't control the entire message in this country.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:39 PM
Mar 21

I'm sick of it all.

Bengus81

(8,739 posts)
155. They can try but it won't work. Way to much LIGHT on Musk. Everyone know who's fucking around
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:40 PM
Mar 22

in the SS Administration and making prime the pump statements like the Ponzi scheme BS. Republicans know who's responsible, hence the republican scream fest at their town halls.

BlueKota

(4,230 posts)
136. I think you're right.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:06 PM
Mar 21

The fact that no Rs seemed to be worried about the backlash they are getting is a big red flag. They heard tsf loud and clear when he said people wouldn't have to vote anymore.

BComplex

(9,393 posts)
150. And nobody has apparently done the first audit! This is the result of trump/republicans saying the 2020 election
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:58 AM
Mar 22

was stollen so much that now the Dems are afraid to say it. Pretty fucking clever of the oligarchs to make this all come to pass.

rubbersole

(9,733 posts)
85. Do it motherfuckers.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:26 PM
Mar 21

You can't imagine how pissed off patriots will come after you. Your greed is going to be what stops you.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,135 posts)
56. They won't tell us what the hell they want this info for.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:41 AM
Mar 21

'Might' have waste, fraud and abuse as a reason is not good enough to stop SS if you don't get your way.

We have to assume nefarious intent!

Akoto

(4,291 posts)
9. This crap is why I'm trying desperately to leave disability. Just have to find remote work. nt
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:11 AM
Mar 21

UpInArms

(52,708 posts)
10. If they stop social security payments, it is outright theft
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:13 AM
Mar 21

Of money that came from working people

NotHardly

(2,081 posts)
37. 2nd Amendment solution in the offing if that happens
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:18 AM
Mar 21

The tens of millions dependent on SS and their families and friends will have an answer for that shit.

Are we about to find out how f*cking stupid they are?

tetedur

(1,241 posts)
11. Mr. Dudek, turn it off and you figure out how you are going to imprison 100's of 1000's of seniors
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:14 AM
Mar 21

who are going to riot in the streets. Maybe you will just call Hegseth to shoot them all. Do you have enough ammo? Or are you just going to drop a tactical nuke in the streets of our major cities?

Okay, this is break the glass and pull the alarm time.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,096 posts)
15. Light the fuse, asshole, and watch it all blow up in Trump's face
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:18 AM
Mar 21

Do it. Yes people will suffer, but it will be very brief, then a tidal wave will wash your kind away. Better a jolt of pain now leading to liberation than our nation being bled to death by billionaire leaches. It's not just Seniors who will turn against you, but their children and grandchildren too. Prove how viscous AND stupid you are. Do it. Even the Republican Senate won't stand for that. Trump's spell will shatter and his ultimate ugliness will be fully exposed. Go ahead, hasten your downfall.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,081 posts)
16. The idea that these numb skulls have wormed their way into the framework
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:18 AM
Mar 21

of all things American ie: governmental agencies, is beginning to give me ideas. Like shutting down SSI until the courts figure it out? That is a very poor distraction job by Dudek. As head of the Agency I'm sure his responsibilities DO NOT include abandoning ship, so to speak, instead of following the ruling by the court. I guess what I'd like to see is a daily press conference led by some of our more well known D's in both Houses, highlighting the BS and calling out those who create it. At least then I might feel a little like someone is doing something to rein in the Regime aka TUSK................

Evolve Dammit

(20,547 posts)
75. in 60 days.... And he already said he wanted the economy to collapse. FAFO and yes to daily pressers. Overdue
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:58 AM
Mar 21

Eugene

(64,693 posts)
17. Hostage taking. If the DOGE goons can't abuse the hostages, the goons will execute them.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:18 AM
Mar 21

File under: Just Plain Evil

dreamland

(1,099 posts)
23. I'd like to see him try to stop SS
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:40 AM
Mar 21

Every man, woman, and child will be in the streets hunting him down.

RobinA

(10,310 posts)
80. It's Not Only
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:13 PM
Mar 21

the recipients. SS pumps how many dollars into the economy? Approximately 1.5 billion a year? That might get noticed pretty fast.

Hotler

(13,045 posts)
25. The richest man in the world wants to steal your money. It's not just S.S., it's everything you own.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:49 AM
Mar 21

They'll start with bank accounts.

Paladin

(30,283 posts)
26. Democratic leadership better acquire some courage, real Goddamn fast.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:50 AM
Mar 21

Bernie Sanders can't do it all by himself. If anything can kneecap trump and put Democrats back in power, fucking around with the whole country's Social Security payments is it. Schumer and the rest of Democratic leadership: Try not to fuck up this opportunity...

Mz Pip

(28,068 posts)
51. This
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:36 AM
Mar 21

I love the Rolling Stone but they shouldn’t have to be the ones breaking this news.

bluestarone

(19,711 posts)
30. IF and i mean IF these traitors succeed in destroying SS, somehow somebody will
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:55 AM
Mar 21

Pay the ultimate price, and all hell will break loose. I'm 100% sure of that.

WestMichRad

(2,267 posts)
78. Ya think?!!
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:08 PM
Mar 21

Governing by extortion. How will the corporate media sane wash this?

Oh, right, they’ll just ignore it.

Hornedfrog2000

(155 posts)
36. Omg do it.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:14 AM
Mar 21

Lets do this already. Watching this 10 year old slow motion trainwreck is enough. We are the majority. Lets end this.

Zorro

(17,310 posts)
38. The response to turning off SS will give Trump the excuse
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:20 AM
Mar 21

to declare martial law.

Might be part of the plan, if there is such a plan.

Chi67

(1,190 posts)
119. So?
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:00 PM
Mar 21

Why would anyone obey it? None of them obey the law. There would be a massive revolution. And they couldn’t stop it.

IronLionZion

(48,653 posts)
59. What? You don't trust 19 year old hacker boys?
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:42 AM
Mar 21

DOGE is clearly not doing any audits. That's just the cover story for whatever sketchy things they are actually doing.

Katinfl

(351 posts)
52. I can't ever see that happening.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:37 AM
Mar 21

But I could never see trump getting elected once, not to mention twice. So what do I know? The reality is that nothing anymore is impossible or unthinkable. We are living it.

maddiemom

(5,118 posts)
142. Trump only won by popular vote this lasr time.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:31 AM
Mar 22

For him, just winning the actual MOST VOTES must SEEM like a mandate----and talk about GRACIOUS WINNERS...

Ruby the Liberal

(26,425 posts)
130. Since Musk owns the 2 largest data centers in the country
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:42 PM
Mar 21

in Memphis and Atlanta, my guess is that they are going to seize the SS/Med Trust, hand it to a bunch of hedge funds and attempt to run it via AI.

That means model learning - which means large relevant data sets will need to be ingested.

Ready on Day 1.

dchill

(42,199 posts)
55. Trump and Musk know that many of their...
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:40 AM
Mar 21

... enemies are collecting Social Security. Need more clues?

OldBaldy1701E

(7,759 posts)
102. True, but he does not care.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 02:40 PM
Mar 21

Those supporters who are on SS while also being sycophantic over him support him spiritually, mentally, and socially, but they cannot give him real money if he wants it, so he won't care about them. They are good for photo ops and gatherings, that is it. Ask any of those who went to that rally in the cold. He did not care about any of them once the press was gone. His peons will blindly follow whatever he says without question. They will die in the gutter asking him for forgiveness to enter heaven and never even accept that he was the cause of their demise. But they are not rich, so they do not exist for the orange gibbon.

dchill

(42,199 posts)
131. THAT'S why they need your data!
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:49 PM
Mar 21

Right before the 2024 election, I got an email telling me that who I voted for would be a matter of public record (I'm in PA). If that's true, that could be all they needed.

spooky3

(37,419 posts)
57. He's not immune. Hold him in contempt and put
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:41 AM
Mar 21

His ass in jail if he refuses to comply with the court order.

Bayard

(24,852 posts)
65. We won't have to hunt them down
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:49 AM
Mar 21

If all of us file bankruptcy, (or just stop paying any bills,) the banks will come for them.

Can this be done by EO? I thought Congress had to authorize it. Of course, trump didn't need Congress to shut down the Dept. of Education.....

Evolve Dammit

(20,547 posts)
70. So now we are the hostages to their scheme? Give us all your sensitive info, or you won't see another dime. Suckers
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:55 AM
Mar 21

Ol Janx Spirit

(160 posts)
84. Dudek better start asking for a pardon now before the line gets too long. First crime in; first pardon out... N/T
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:26 PM
Mar 21

Ol Janx Spirit

(160 posts)
97. Bondi won't, but if they fail in their authoritarian coup there will eventually be a new sheriff in town... N/T
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:59 PM
Mar 21
 

Daleuhlmann

(618 posts)
88. If Dudek Does This, Then Senior Citizens Should Take to the Streets!
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:28 PM
Mar 21

Hey, MAGA supporters who depend on Social Security: This.what you'd voted for!

bluestarone

(19,711 posts)
95. I would venture a guess here that more than 50 % of his followers are
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:43 PM
Mar 21

Religious and on social security, so i triple dog dare these fools to do that!

Nictuku

(4,182 posts)
98. Thank you for posting
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 01:01 PM
Mar 21

I appreciate it. I didn't want to give out my email address to read it.

Wiz Imp

(4,856 posts)
100. Voters over age 65 split between Trump & Harris about 50/50
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 02:08 PM
Mar 21

Stopping SS payments would harm large numbers of people on both sides of the political aisle.

YoshidaYui

(43,622 posts)
101. Go ahead make our day
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 02:40 PM
Mar 21

All businesses will stop and not participate in business until Social Security is restored fuck him!

flamingdem

(40,398 posts)
104. Go ahead and make our day
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 03:08 PM
Mar 21

We need to be in preparation mode for this. Hope people are ready to help seniors in need. And I hope seniors are ready to jam the phones and show up for rallies.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
112. A Riot
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 04:54 PM
Mar 21

if they do this, they should expect a national uprising and a riot that will make J6 look like a tea party.

yellow dahlia

(2,320 posts)
113. Did you hear about the statement Lutnick made in an interview?
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 04:55 PM
Mar 21

It telegraphs that they are planning to cut people off.

Trump Cabinet official doubts seniors would be upset over missed Social Security payments
In the AlterNet, written by Carl Gibson
March 21, 2025

One of President Donald Trump's closest advisors is now suggesting that most of the tens of millions of Americans who rely on Social Security wouldn't be concerned if they didn't receive their benefits.
/snip
In one exchange, Lutnick — who has a net worth of approximately $2 billion according to Investopedia — suggested that the best approach to root out fraud within the Social Security Administration (SSA) was to "stop payments and listen." He also argued that only a "fraudster" would call the SSA if they missed their monthly Social Security payment.

"I describe it to people this way: Let's say Social Security didn't send out their checks this month. My mother-in-law, who is 94, she wouldn't call and complain. She just wouldn't. She'd think something got messed up, and she'll get it next month," said Lutnick, who paid for his 16,250 square-foot mansion with $25 million in cash. "A fraudster always makes the loudest noise, screaming, yelling and complaining."
/snip
Lutnick's assertion that Social Security beneficiaries would be unbothered by a missed payment ignores the fact that for millions of recipients, those monthly benefits are critical. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, nearly four in 10 American adults aged 65 and up would have incomes below the official poverty line without Social Security. Alex Lawson, who is executive director of the advocacy group Social Security Works, told AlterNet that Lutnick's remarks reveal "the problem with government by the billionaires for the billionaires."


The clip from the interview is at the end of the article. Here is the link.
https://www.alternet.org/trump-official-social-security/

SergeStorms

(19,601 posts)
115. Yeah, go ahead.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 05:11 PM
Mar 21

Instant karma's going to get you.......😡 Piss every one of your most solid voting block off, you freaking idiots! Go on, I dare ya'.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,425 posts)
123. Bullshit
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:20 PM
Mar 21

Those pimple faced incel hackers wouldn't know how to even maintain a COBOL system.

If you shut it down, it isn't restarting.

And we know you know that. Asshole.

OverBurn

(1,201 posts)
125. Lucky I don't depend on the SS check, sorry for lots that due, please stop for 1 or 2 weeks and see what happens dipshit
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:24 PM
Mar 21

Donnie.

Ohioboy

(3,652 posts)
127. Don't these idiots know that missing payments would crash the economy
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:34 PM
Mar 21

In short order this economy would go down the toilet. People wait for their SS to buy necessities like food, gas, electricity, etc. Want to be remembered as the administration that ruined the economy? Have at it idiots.

erpowers

(9,419 posts)
132. Let The Try
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:24 PM
Mar 21

I may be wrong, but if Donald Trump and the Republicans end Social Security I think Trump and the Republicans are done. If Trump wants Republicans to lose control of Congress, ending Social Security might be the way to make that happen. It does not seem like most people want Elon Musk messing with the private financial information. Ending Social Security might just break the hold Donald Trump has on his supporters.

Abstractartist

(230 posts)
133. If it was to stop
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:26 PM
Mar 21

If Social Security were to stop, there would be anarchy in the streets, and the congress members who would vote for it better locate themselves into a bunker. Even the hardened MAGAs who are militia members and 2nd amendment supporters have mothers, fathers, grandparents on Social Security, and they are not going to let ANYONE MESS WITH MAMA.

Trump know this too. So does everyone in the government. Musk would be a walking target if his bs caused SS to go, and dare I say every top government leader including the Supreme Court, cabinet members, Etc would not be advised to eat dinner outside of their own kitchen.

SunSeeker

(55,626 posts)
138. The judge told him he was wrong about what her order said, so he backtracked.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:29 AM
Mar 22

Federal judge pushes back on acting Social Security head over threat to close agency
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/03/21/social-security-benefits-trump-doge/

lonely bird

(2,280 posts)
143. OK
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:35 AM
Mar 22

Throw everyone that voted Republican off Soc Sec including Soc Sec disability.

Throw them off Medicare and Medicaid.

Enough with these fucking imbeciles.

GreenWave

(11,108 posts)
151. BREAKING: JUDGE RULES AGAINST TRUMP AND DOGE ON SOCIAL SECURITY.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:22 PM
Mar 22
https://www.rawstory.com/social-security-data-breach/

The judge said in the ruling that the team is on a "fishing expedition" that ultimately jeopardizes Americans' personal data.

“The defense does not appear to share a privacy concern for the millions of Americans whose SSA records were made available to the DOGE affiliates, without their consent,” the judge wrote.

But the ruling goes beyond mentioning DOGE employees.

CNBC noted that the temporary restraining order "blocks the Social Security Administration, acting commissioner Leland Dudek and chief information officer Michael Russo, as well as all related agents and employees working with them, from granting access to any system containing personally identifiable information."

The judge also pointed out the irony that those working for DOGE enjoy privacy from the public.
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