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BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:06 AM Mar 22

Trump wants states to handle disasters. States aren't prepared

Source: NPR

March 21, 2025 4:08 PM ET


President Trump has signed an executive order directing state and local governments to "play a more active and significant role" in preparing for disasters. For months, Trump has said he's considering getting rid of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the country's disaster response arm. "I say you don't need FEMA, you need a good state government," Trump said while visiting the Los Angeles fires in January. "FEMA is a very expensive, in my opinion, mostly failed situation."

But emergency management experts say Trump's order technically wouldn't do much to shift responsibility. Currently, local and state governments are already in charge of disasters. The question is whether the Trump administration will begin withdrawing the federal resources and funding that states rely on.

When a major hurricane, flood or wildfire hits, FEMA starts working on a disaster only when requested by the state government. The agency organizes thousands of federal workers who help in disaster response and process claims for millions of dollars in aid. Even then, states and local governments still remain in charge.

Without FEMA, states would need to find thousands of additional personnel to inspect damage, distribute disaster aid and plan the rebuilding of public infrastructure. Without federal funding, states would face billions of dollars in recovery costs. After Hurricane Irma in 2017, Florida relied on more than $5.5 billion dollars from the federal government.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2025/03/21/nx-s1-5327595/trump-order-fema-states-disaster-response

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Trump wants states to handle disasters. States aren't prepared (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 22 OP
If this EO had been in place during SuperStorm Sandy in 2012, no_hypocrisy Mar 22 #1
They didn't need an EO back then. The GOP-controlled House was refusing to fund the disaster aid BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #6
It sure will be a shame if a category 4 hurricane blows ashore in one of those * Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #2
Sure would! EarthFirst Mar 22 #3
Innocent people will suffer while the rest "find out" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #4
"tragic consequences may be what's needed to wake-up the anti-vax folks." BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #7
I saw that. Disgusting, wasn't it? For many, they are indeed beyond hope. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #14
So that one child of theirs who died was just collateral damage to their thinking Bengus81 Mar 22 #19
They are Mennonites BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #20
Those parents Katcat Mar 22 #41
States usually leave those religious communities alone BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #44
Unfortunately, that's what we have to accept now NickB79 Mar 22 #21
Is he advocating for states to keep a population proportional amount of funds tanyev Mar 22 #5
The 1%-ers will see the people living under tarps next to their demolished houses and say... Girard442 Mar 22 #12
They should do it anyway. OldBaldy1701E Mar 22 #61
There will be a whole lot of MAGAts caught up in this. MLWR Mar 22 #8
People dying, hurt, losing everything mean nothing to Trump. Irish_Dem Mar 22 #10
fElon said the quiet part out loud: empathy is a fundamental flaw. Girard442 Mar 22 #13
It is only about power and money. Irish_Dem Mar 22 #15
They are Rebl2 Mar 22 #39
Even when the MAGA states suffer the most... Kablooie Mar 22 #9
Billionaires refuse to pay for climate change damage. Irish_Dem Mar 22 #11
Oh, great idea! radical noodle Mar 22 #16
It will be interesting when Mar-a-Lago gets hit. Maybe trump has a big wind turbine pointed eastward. 33taw Mar 22 #22
He'll just make an insurance claim for more than the property is worth. Ocelot II Mar 22 #28
Or, claim that the government should pay because it is a national security site. 33taw Mar 22 #30
He can just get out his Sharpie radical noodle Mar 22 #62
I don't see the Repukes objecting so whatever. Not my problem, it's all on them. Autumn Mar 22 #17
or funded azureblue Mar 22 #18
WHEEEEEEEE!!! I love it! Grins Mar 22 #23
Under Clinton, FEMA became a world class organization mountain grammy Mar 22 #24
Many environmental disasters are way too big for states to handle. patphil Mar 22 #25
Well...duh! We used to all agree that one essential role of the federal government was to handle such catastrophes. Martin68 Mar 22 #26
"we used to all agree" is no more. riversedge Mar 22 #54
Poor states will be just fine, right? sakabatou Mar 22 #27
This is in addition to gutting NOAA and NWS. nt CousinIT Mar 22 #29
Well, Magats, you get what you vote for... ananda Mar 22 #31
You'd think a real estate mogul would understand the concept of insurance Shermann Mar 22 #32
Trump understands that abandoned land is a cheap buy. Autumn Mar 22 #33
Well Trump will be Pres for this coming hurricane season. Callie1979 Mar 22 #34
You don't even need to wait for hurricane season BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #36
I wonder if anyone is hollering "Where's FEMA???!!!" Callie1979 Mar 22 #42
Give it some time BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #45
States with Republican Legislatures DO NOT have a tax base to fund basic Government services for God sakes! ProudMNDemocrat Mar 22 #35
"We are in the Top 5 BEST states to live, work, and do business in." BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #37
The Twin Cities not so mich fir the 3rd winter in a row. ProudMNDemocrat Mar 22 #47
We had Rebl2 Mar 22 #38
I just posted about that outbreak that happened last week BumRushDaShow Mar 22 #40
This is why I live in a state with mostly Democrats. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 22 #43
It is far less efficient for every state to make duplicate preparations for disasters that may or may not happen ToxMarz Mar 22 #46
Absolutely. And absolutely more expensive for Americans to keep on hand in state coffers, than in the targeted federal ancianita Mar 22 #48
Billionaires are the only ones who matter to this idiot Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 22 #49
They better get ready... paleotn Mar 22 #50
Hail Cascadia! Baron2024 Mar 22 #59
Then he needs to give us our money back C_U_L8R Mar 22 #51
Another moronic Trumpublican position. States can't; that's WHY there's a FEMA. n/t Beartracks Mar 22 #52
A bunch of no tax states Old Crank Mar 22 #53
Exactly. They are going to have to start taxing their residents now mdbl Mar 23 #64
Trump wants to create economic disasters, then sit back and laugh. milestogo Mar 22 #55
and then trump being trump will say ... we will help you if ___________ IcyPeas Mar 22 #63
What kind of analysis could track the anti-FEMA social media messages that were rampant after the Lahaina fire & storms mahina Mar 22 #56
Doesn't even make sense as powermongering. He just wants to hurt America! AmericaUnderSiege Mar 22 #57
People In States Baron2024 Mar 22 #58
So if a said hurricane takes out his fucking home in Florida........... turbinetree Mar 22 #60

no_hypocrisy

(51,363 posts)
1. If this EO had been in place during SuperStorm Sandy in 2012,
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:06 AM
Mar 22

New York and New Jersey would have wide swaths of land unaddressed and unrepaired. The money simply wouldn't be there.

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
6. They didn't need an EO back then. The GOP-controlled House was refusing to fund the disaster aid
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:21 AM
Mar 22

for Super Storm Sandy. They (notably Cheeto Boner) caught hell from Peter King (R-NY) about it -



They eventually backed down and went ahead with some funding a few days later.

(and look at that chyron with the DJIA showing 13,3xx back in 2013 )

Oopsie Daisy

(5,670 posts)
2. It sure will be a shame if a category 4 hurricane blows ashore in one of those *
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:34 AM
Mar 22

* "Gulf of America" red-states.

EarthFirst

(3,643 posts)
3. Sure would!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:39 AM
Mar 22

Tens of thousands of hard working loyal Democrats who didn’t vote for this disaster would be greatly; or even devastatingly affected by no fault of their own…

Oopsie Daisy

(5,670 posts)
4. Innocent people will suffer while the rest "find out" *
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:54 AM
Mar 22

* and hopefully have an attitude change. Until disaster strikes and NO HELP COMES, the majority of the red state voters will never understand.

The same holds true for all the innocent children who are contracting measles and other preventable diseases ... it's a shame, but a pandemic (even if regional) with tragic consequences may be what's needed to wake-up the anti-vax folks. These dominoes have already been aligned... or the house of cards has already been constructed... now they all come tumbling down.

It's not like "wishful thinking" or my thoughts-and-prayers will stop it. I'm not wishing these awful things to happen. I'm merely pointing out the inevitability of it all... and hoping instead that WHEN it happens, people will wake-up and change their way of thinking.

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
7. "tragic consequences may be what's needed to wake-up the anti-vax folks."
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:03 AM
Mar 22

Unfortunately, some are too far gone down the rabbit hole for that to be enough - Parents of child who died of measles still don't support MMR vaccine

Oopsie Daisy

(5,670 posts)
14. I saw that. Disgusting, wasn't it? For many, they are indeed beyond hope.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:36 AM
Mar 22

Others may yet see the light... or they will simply die-off.

Bengus81

(8,739 posts)
19. So that one child of theirs who died was just collateral damage to their thinking
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:02 AM
Mar 22

As the mom said...the measles wasn't all that bad,her other children had it and didn't die. I'll bet God had a plan eh mom??

Sick,sick fuckers.............

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
20. They are Mennonites
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:16 AM
Mar 22

and like the Amish, eschew "modern medicines". The one big difference is that although the Amish will travel into towns and cities to sell their goods, the Mennonites do it more (and often do it for and will even drive, the Amish to those markets). And thus they have a greater potential to spread viruses like this.

Katcat

(460 posts)
41. Those parents
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:03 PM
Mar 22

Should have their remaining children removed from their care. Their total lack of caring that one of their children died from something that has a vaccine to prevent death should have put them in prison.

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
44. States usually leave those religious communities alone
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:33 PM
Mar 22

There were big outbreaks in Hasidic communities in NY back in 2018 - 2019 and they really had to work at it to deal with the religious/cultural restrictions related to vaccines (plus the anti-vaxxer pile-ons) - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-york-fighting-its-worst-outbreak-measles-decades-n955891

What has generally been done (which I believe was a strategy to eliminate smallpox globally) was to encircle the communities with vaccinated people in order to contain the spread.

NickB79

(19,884 posts)
21. Unfortunately, that's what we have to accept now
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:23 AM
Mar 22

There's going to be a lot of collateral damage in this cold civil war, just like every war throughout history.

A lot of Democrats will be harmed by MAGA policies. That doesn't mean we should give in to them.

tanyev

(46,227 posts)
5. Is he advocating for states to keep a population proportional amount of funds
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:08 AM
Mar 22

that are currently going into federal coffers?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

Girard442

(6,631 posts)
12. The 1%-ers will see the people living under tarps next to their demolished houses and say...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:32 AM
Mar 22

"...thank God we kept those loser's greedy paws off our tax cuts."

OldBaldy1701E

(7,759 posts)
61. They should do it anyway.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:43 PM
Mar 22

They want the states to handle things more instead of the feds, then the states get to withhold this amounts that would normally go to said agencies that are being removed so that the states can do more. Period.

Irish_Dem

(69,096 posts)
10. People dying, hurt, losing everything mean nothing to Trump.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:28 AM
Mar 22

The billionaires will not pay for climate change damage.

Irish_Dem

(69,096 posts)
15. It is only about power and money.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:37 AM
Mar 22

The concept of the public good makes no sense to psychopaths.

Rebl2

(16,232 posts)
39. They are
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:52 AM
Mar 22

often the first to scream about where is FEMA. I don’t think it exists anymore because of orange man.

Kablooie

(18,890 posts)
9. Even when the MAGA states suffer the most...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:25 AM
Mar 22

They won’t turn on Trump.
Trump will always find some wonky reason to blame others and they will,believe him 100%.
They know that he is doing everything humanly possible to protect them.

Irish_Dem

(69,096 posts)
11. Billionaires refuse to pay for climate change damage.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:29 AM
Mar 22

All the money belongs to them.
Not the American people.

33taw

(3,159 posts)
22. It will be interesting when Mar-a-Lago gets hit. Maybe trump has a big wind turbine pointed eastward.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:25 AM
Mar 22

azureblue

(2,412 posts)
18. or funded
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:01 AM
Mar 22

especially red states that are already working at a deficit. But guess who voted for Trump, so, you reap what you sow....

Grins

(8,320 posts)
23. WHEEEEEEEE!!! I love it!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:39 AM
Mar 22
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken.

They voted for this - so give it to them! “Good and hard!”

mountain grammy

(27,755 posts)
24. Under Clinton, FEMA became a world class organization
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:44 AM
Mar 22

Director Witt was given almost cabinet status, answering directly to the president.

under James Lee Witt's leadership as FEMA director from 1993 to 2001, the agency underwent a significant transformation, becoming more effective and professional in its disaster response capabilities.
Here's a more detailed look at FEMA under Witt:
Background:
James Lee Witt, a former Arkansas state official, was appointed as the first FEMA director with extensive emergency management experience, a departure from previous political appointees.
Turnaround:
Witt's leadership was instrumental in improving FEMA's image and effectiveness after criticism following Hurricane Andrew in 1992.
Key Initiatives:
He focused on building a more professional and less politically-driven agency.
He emphasized preparedness, service to the public, and collaboration with state and local officials.
He championed the importance of mitigation efforts to reduce the cost of disasters.
Notable Disasters:
Witt oversaw FEMA's response to numerous disasters, including the 1997 Red River flood, a major earthquake, and a dozen serious hurricanes.
FEMA's Transformation:
Under Witt, FEMA became known for its improved disaster relief services and gained a reputation for professionalism.
Transition to DHS:
In the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks, FEMA became part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2003.
Post-FEMA:
Witt went on to become a "disaster consultant to corporate America" and continues to work in the field of emergency management.


Only took Bush 4 years to restore incompentency with "heck of a job Brownie"

patphil

(7,739 posts)
25. Many environmental disasters are way too big for states to handle.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:47 AM
Mar 22

They aren't able to cope with these things without Federal assistance.
FEMA has the experience, manpower, and resources to effectively help state and local governments deal with large scale disasters; especially when they involve multiple states.
To say that FEMA is a "mostly failed situation" is typical Trumpian bullshit.
He always hates anything the Federal Government does to help people. He sees it as money out of his pocket; money he could redirect into the pockets of people he recognizes as being valuable to him.

Martin68

(25,614 posts)
26. Well...duh! We used to all agree that one essential role of the federal government was to handle such catastrophes.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:49 AM
Mar 22

ananda

(31,598 posts)
31. Well, Magats, you get what you vote for...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:06 AM
Mar 22

which is nothing in way of dollars or quality of living,
and nothing good in any other respect.

Shermann

(8,916 posts)
32. You'd think a real estate mogul would understand the concept of insurance
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:07 AM
Mar 22

FEMA is similar to insurance. All 50 states contribute funds, and the funds are available during emergencies. If a state is stricken by an emergency tomorrow, they have the pooled resources of the whole country behind them immediately. We don't need 50 distributed silos built.

Callie1979

(663 posts)
34. Well Trump will be Pres for this coming hurricane season.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:10 AM
Mar 22

Lets see what he does if we have any major ones hit FL or TX or LA or MS

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
36. You don't even need to wait for hurricane season
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:34 AM
Mar 22

we are ALREADY in tornado season and red state after red state have destroyed towns.



Over 40 people died in that outbreak that happened last week.

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
45. Give it some time
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:37 PM
Mar 22

And wait to see if "the media" (in quotes) bothers to report on it.

There is technically "a process" where the state has to assess the damage and cost it out before submitting a bill to the government, along with a request for a disaster declaration.

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,607 posts)
35. States with Republican Legislatures DO NOT have a tax base to fund basic Government services for God sakes!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 22

How the hell are they going to cover disasters without Federal help?

I have traveled much of this country. I notice the quality of a state's Infrastructure, Government services, quality of life. Living in Minnesota, which is a higher tax state, we have results to show what our tax dollars pay for. I-494 has been under constant improvement since the 1980's. Our airport(MSP) is one of the BEST in the country. We are in the Top 5 BEST states to live, work, and do business in.

Minnesota is not perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than any Republican led state. GO GOPHERS!

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
37. "We are in the Top 5 BEST states to live, work, and do business in."
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:38 AM
Mar 22

Except you get too much damn snow!

(P.S. one of my uncles has lived there for over 30 years - my mother's baby brother, so have been there a few times)

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,607 posts)
47. The Twin Cities not so mich fir the 3rd winter in a row.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:43 PM
Mar 22

Other parts of the state perhaps. Farmers need the moisture.

Rebl2

(16,232 posts)
38. We had
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:48 AM
Mar 22

tornadoes in my state last week and killed 12 people. My red republican governor said he was going to ask the federal government for help. I say governor Kehoe, good luck with that.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,801 posts)
43. This is why I live in a state with mostly Democrats.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:20 PM
Mar 22

I don't understand exactly why so many people would prefer to live in an awful, Republican controlled state just because it doesn't get snow. Or because taxes are low. There is an awful lot more to quality of life than snow or cold.

I have also lived in more states (a total of seven) than a lot of people, so I often have a perspective someone who has only lived in one state and not travelled very much can't possibly have.

ToxMarz

(2,372 posts)
46. It is far less efficient for every state to make duplicate preparations for disasters that may or may not happen
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:59 PM
Mar 22

It's like car or homeowners insurance, the risks are spread across the population and monies used where needed. And a smaller group of experienced managers can oversee operations, rather than each state staffing it's own managers (and competing for the best ones).

ancianita

(40,399 posts)
48. Absolutely. And absolutely more expensive for Americans to keep on hand in state coffers, than in the targeted federal
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:48 PM
Mar 22

disaster relief budget, which includes rescue, victim relief, cleanup, rebuilding.

The malicious Axis of Evil felon is indifferent to all of this because he is indifferent to the humanitarian needs of the American people.

Red state Americans remain his unknowing host and he is their deadly parasite. By the time disaster hits them, they will know him by his paper towel indifference.

paleotn

(20,306 posts)
50. They better get ready...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:20 PM
Mar 22

There's not going to be much federal government left by Summer. States will have to band together. The beginning of the fragmentation of America into several semi to fully autonomous regions. Putin's wet dream after what happened to his beloved Soviet Union, but at this point, I'm so goddamn over red Amurka and their never ending bullshit, I just don't care anymore. They're no longer fellow citizens. They may as well be from fucking Mars.


My region already has its own flag.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
59. Hail Cascadia!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:40 PM
Mar 22

I am in New York State. So I pledge allegiance to the Republic of the Northeast.

Old Crank

(5,586 posts)
53. A bunch of no tax states
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:09 PM
Mar 22

Are going to be hurting. Whst was Florida's damage last year?. 60-80 billion. They will need a new bureaucracy to handle emergency prep. And all that goes into it. 25% tax rates for the Dakotas, montana and Wyoming.

mdbl

(6,360 posts)
64. Exactly. They are going to have to start taxing their residents now
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:10 AM
Mar 23

Or provide no assistance. I hope they are happy.

IcyPeas

(23,506 posts)
63. and then trump being trump will say ... we will help you if ___________
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:09 PM
Mar 22

fill in the blank. It's always extortion for trump.... always.

He'll sit back and laugh until they come groveling on their knees and beg him for help.

QUID.PRO.QUO.

mahina

(19,721 posts)
56. What kind of analysis could track the anti-FEMA social media messages that were rampant after the Lahaina fire & storms
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:55 PM
Mar 22

in the South?

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
57. Doesn't even make sense as powermongering. He just wants to hurt America!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:37 PM
Mar 22

From the moment they wake up to the sound of the Russian national anthem, to the moment they go to sleep to the Horst Wessel Lied, the only thoughts these people have is "How can I hurt America some more today?"

Pure hate for America is their only agenda. What they do makes sense once you recognize that. You would not be shocked if they all use rolls of American flag toilet paper, maybe alternating with US Constitution rolls.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
58. People In States
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:30 PM
Mar 22

People in states pay federal taxes so that they receive services from the federal government like disaster assistance from experts. No services, no taxes. People should go on a tax strike. Tax season is here. I bet the Trump Regime will collect as much tax revenue as they can before they give away all middle class and working class people's money to billionaires as a tax cut.

turbinetree

(26,056 posts)
60. So if a said hurricane takes out his fucking home in Florida...........
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:21 PM
Mar 22

is it first dibs for this asshole..............

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