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BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:34 AM Apr 25

Four States Have Asked USDA to Let Them Ban Soda, Candy From Food Assistance Program

Source: US News and World Report/Reuters

April 24, 2025, at 4:41 p.m.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Four Republican states have asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture to let them ban soda, energy drinks and other food items from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps, according to an agency spokesperson.

President Donald Trump's administration has said it will hastily approve such waivers submitted by states as part of its agenda to "Make America Healthy Again," a slogan popularized by health secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and his supporters. More than 41 million Americans receive benefits from the SNAP program, the nation's largest food assistance program.

Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas and Indiana have submitted waivers to the agency, a spokesperson said on Thursday. The agency did not make copies of the waivers available. Arkansas wants to exclude soda, fruit and vegetable drinks with less than 50% natural juice, "unhealthy drinks" and candy, according to a copy of the waiver on the website of Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

Indiana hopes to exclude candy and soda, according to an April 15 press release from Governor Mike Braun. Nebraska would exclude soda and energy drinks, according to an April 7 letter sent to Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins by Governor Jim Pillen. Reuters could not immediately verify the content of Iowa's waiver. Iowa lawmakers have been considering a bill that would limit SNAP purchases to whole foods like eggs, milk and vegetables.

Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2025-04-24/four-states-have-asked-usda-to-let-them-ban-soda-candy-from-food-assistance-program

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Four States Have Asked USDA to Let Them Ban Soda, Candy From Food Assistance Program (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 25 OP
More small government from the GOP. Haggard Celine Apr 25 #1
Here's the Iowa proposal justgamma Apr 25 #2
That's way too restrictive. NH Ethylene Apr 25 #67
The grocery store line tongue clickers have made their move... Hugin Apr 25 #3
On my health insurance healthy food card I can't buy either candy nor soda. elocs Apr 25 #4
Post removed Post removed Apr 25 #5
Red states being red states IronLionZion Apr 25 #6
I have mixed feeling about this radical noodle Apr 25 #8
Goddess forfend that people on SNAP might purchase items that might niyad Apr 25 #19
I am aware of that radical noodle Apr 25 #21
People who receive food stamps can still buy all the soda and candy they want, NH Ethylene Apr 25 #70
Clearly, there are people on SNAP who do not put the nutritional needs of their children 1st. n/t elocs Apr 25 #29
Because some of that "food" is actually harmful. Trueblue Texan Apr 25 #10
Processed junk food is cheaper than fresh perishables IronLionZion Apr 25 #12
There is some logic to it hueymahl Apr 25 #18
repukes DO NOT CARE if people have healthcare or not Skittles Saturday #79
Personally, I'd keep the same amount of food stamps but, ADD a certain amount for soda, ice cream, chips .. chouchou Apr 25 #7
Is that $700/$125 per month? Polybius Apr 25 #15
I have absolutely no idea. I was thinking 2 weeks. I've never asked anybody what they get.. chouchou Apr 25 #45
$292. Per person is the highest possible benefit in Illinois questionseverything Apr 25 #38
Actually, I could agree with the soda and candy part of this notion... Trueblue Texan Apr 25 #9
Yep. Anyone remember Sarah Palin and her Big Gulp... keep_left Apr 25 #41
Regardless of the potential health benefits, dchill Apr 25 #11
This orangecrush Apr 25 #57
Frankly, I agree with the proposal. Martin68 Apr 25 #13
Sorry, Nanny - I'll never do it again. Jean Genie Apr 25 #23
Products with unhealthy amounts of sugar are bad for everybody, particularly children. It isn't "shaking Martin68 Apr 25 #25
Because god forbid a poor child should have pop and cupcakes on their birthday 🎂 questionseverything Apr 25 #27
Oh, please... Martin68 Apr 25 #28
? What else but food stamps would provide cupcakes and soda questionseverything Apr 25 #33
Okay we can make a stipulation- one box of shitty cake mix per birthday AkFemDem Apr 25 #31
I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic questionseverything Apr 25 #36
FOOD STAMPS do!!!! AkFemDem Apr 25 #39
The entire thread is about making food stamp purchases as restrictive as wic questionseverything Apr 25 #44
Look no one is making a cake with a dozen eggs AkFemDem Apr 25 #46
Poor people don't have the privilege of "the long haul " questionseverything Apr 25 #50
Well as someone who has used both WIC and SNAP I can assure you... AkFemDem Apr 25 #53
Fine you be the sugar police while I will continue to trust most people do the best they can questionseverything Apr 25 #54
2/3 of American adults are overweight or obese NickB79 Saturday #84
Homeless people lack kitchens. I don't know what percentage of folks on assistance are actually homeless, but my husband CTyankee Saturday #85
Btw if you were on wic/snap , you weren't alone questionseverything Apr 25 #55
What a weird response AkFemDem Apr 25 #56
I didn't accuse, I made a simple statement that you know is true questionseverything Apr 25 #59
But you are suggesting just that- AkFemDem Apr 25 #62
I think fathers who don't live in the home but come around regularly questionseverything Apr 25 #63
Oy- no, that's not how it works at all AkFemDem Apr 25 #68
That $20 makes 4-5 cakes though NickB79 Saturday #83
Right...because they're only getting the junk food on their birthdays. n/t elocs Apr 25 #32
I do too... AkFemDem Apr 25 #30
Except that they are subsidizing farmers cannabis_flower Apr 25 #42
This is all fine and dandy but let's be realistic here. SNAP come once a month. Has anyone here tried to make these airmid Apr 25 #14
Do soft drinks and candy help with that issue? Martin68 Apr 25 #26
No they do not. But you can buy a lot more crap with coupons Than you can fresh and healthy food. Most food has some airmid Apr 25 #72
Yes, most of us understand the obstacles facing people living in food deserts. Candy and soda aren't the answer. Martin68 Saturday #87
In Fla SNAP is paid once a month to your food stamp card, you can spend it whenever you want EX500rider Apr 25 #64
I hate to admit it, but the Repugs are right on this one... Fil1957 Apr 25 #16
They are but... BumRushDaShow Apr 25 #17
you thought that and before you blink they ended SNAP for undocumented immigrants cadoman Saturday #75
I have zero problems with this. SKKY Apr 25 #20
No reason the poor should entertain enjoyment at the expense of others. Torchlight Apr 25 #22
If you're going to ban something ban high fructose corn syrup. cstanleytech Apr 25 #24
Five states. Idaho is the fifth. jmowreader Apr 25 #34
I have mixed feelings JBTaurus83 Apr 25 #35
Where I live the dollar store is in the middle of town a few blocks from the Krogers questionseverything Apr 25 #40
When I was a kid back in the late 50s, early 60s, mine was a single mom & we had no food stamps. elocs Apr 25 #37
Fruit cocktail is too sugary for wic questionseverything Apr 25 #49
People need to deal with reality here. I think many on this thread don't get how expensive it is to eat "healthy" Cheezoholic Apr 25 #43
Ty cheez, I thought I got lost and fell into republican underground questionseverything Apr 25 #48
Michelle Obama promoted healthy lunches Mz Pip Saturday #80
My grandkids hated the 1% milk and weren't fans of whole wheat bread either questionseverything Saturday #81
This is about controlling the lives of people the Republicans deem stupid/incapable of running their own lives, Ms. Toad Apr 25 #47
That's exactly what it's about. ShazzieB Apr 25 #58
Me too. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 25 #66
😏 ShazzieB Apr 25 #74
How will our 12 year olds work the fields and the factories flvegan Apr 25 #51
...because those states have no other problems? Grins Apr 25 #52
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. ShazzieB Apr 25 #60
Farm bill IowaUnionman Apr 25 #61
repukes lost their minds when Michelle Obama made healthy food proposals Skittles Apr 25 #65
And then she had some children from D.C. help to plant a veggie garden at the White House! BumRushDaShow Apr 25 #69
correct Skittles Apr 25 #71
Exactly! I don't believe for one second that this is about health tulipsandroses Saturday #76
yup Skittles Saturday #78
These people want us to believe they care about a 10 yr old drinking too much soda, but if that 10 yr old is raped and tulipsandroses Saturday #82
CORRECT Skittles Saturday #86
It's hard to be healthy when you're poor wolfie001 Apr 25 #73
That stuff is poison madville Saturday #77

justgamma

(3,684 posts)
2. Here's the Iowa proposal
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 06:31 AM
Apr 25

A bill co-sponsored by 39 Republican state legislators would limit those getting Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits to buying food on a more restrictive list from a separate program intended for pregnant women and children.

SNAP recipients wouldn't be able to buy a variety of foods, including white grain bread, buns with added nuts or seeds, white rice, pasta sauce, canned fruits or soups, baked beans, cheese slices, butter, or flour.

This is from 2023.

https://www.businessinsider.com/iowa-republicans-bill-ban-snap-recipients-meat-sliced-cheese-2023-1

NH Ethylene

(31,108 posts)
67. That's way too restrictive.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:10 PM
Apr 25

I can see not allowing soda and candy, as they have no nutritive value. But foods like pasta sauce, canned fruits and veggies, baked beans?? They may not be perfect foods but they do contain nutrients and they are easy to use.

Hugin

(36,076 posts)
3. The grocery store line tongue clickers have made their move...
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 06:55 AM
Apr 25

There’s no way those face eating leopards will ever eat THEIR faces. Living in glass houses blah blah don’t throw rocks and so forth.

elocs

(24,186 posts)
4. On my health insurance healthy food card I can't buy either candy nor soda.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:03 AM
Apr 25

I get more than twice a month on it than I do on SNAP.
Wow! Apparently they are making a good decision by mistake.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

IronLionZion

(48,653 posts)
6. Red states being red states
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 10:12 AM
Apr 25

SNAP is a fixed dollar amount. Why care what types of groceries another person buys with it?

radical noodle

(10,057 posts)
8. I have mixed feeling about this
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 11:09 AM
Apr 25

When parents buy junk foods with their SNAP benefits, that reduces the amount of money they have to spend on their child's nutritional needs.

I love my Diet Coke and candy as much as anyone, and am inclined to let people get what they want, but I do think the needs of the child come first.

niyad

(123,507 posts)
19. Goddess forfend that people on SNAP might purchase items that might
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 12:57 PM
Apr 25

might bring them a moment of pleasure.

And, in case you are not aware, not every person receiving SNAP help has children.

radical noodle

(10,057 posts)
21. I am aware of that
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 01:23 PM
Apr 25

and I would never begrudge people a moment of pleasure. I'm fine with them buying those things as long as they put the kids needs first. My daughter teaches at a rural school and she sees far too many students with parents who do not put them first. I would actually prefer to give them more money to spend so they can do both easily.

NH Ethylene

(31,108 posts)
70. People who receive food stamps can still buy all the soda and candy they want,
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:17 PM
Apr 25

With their actual money. Just like they have to spend cash on shampoo and toothpaste.

I have no problem with taking soda and candy off of approved purchases with SNAP. I don't like the Iowa plan, though, which is so restrictive as to impose a hardship on the families.

elocs

(24,186 posts)
29. Clearly, there are people on SNAP who do not put the nutritional needs of their children 1st. n/t
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:24 PM
Apr 25

Trueblue Texan

(3,305 posts)
10. Because some of that "food" is actually harmful.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 11:17 AM
Apr 25

I doubt you’d be ok with someone using their SNAP benefits for something like cigarettes or alcohol. So why should it be ok to use those benefits for foods that are not nutritious and are even harmful. Upon writing this, I realize that would account for half the crap on the grocery store shelves…so never mind.

IronLionZion

(48,653 posts)
12. Processed junk food is cheaper than fresh perishables
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 11:23 AM
Apr 25

so people with limited means can get a lot more of it and it lasts longer. The goal of encouraging people to eat healthy sounds good but the cost is a major constraint. The farmers markets here take SNAP but people can't buy very much from what I've seen.

hueymahl

(2,788 posts)
18. There is some logic to it
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 12:50 PM
Apr 25

Sugar and ultra-processed foods, when eaten in excess, worsen your health and increase medical costs. If you are on SNAP, you are almost certainly getting your health-care subsidized. Healthier population, besides improving peoples lives in general, reduce health care costs.

chouchou

(1,816 posts)
7. Personally, I'd keep the same amount of food stamps but, ADD a certain amount for soda, ice cream, chips ..
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 10:21 AM
Apr 25

...and such. No..I'm not in concrete on this one but, seems more fair. example...700 for actual healthy food...125 for fun food.

chouchou

(1,816 posts)
45. I have absolutely no idea. I was thinking 2 weeks. I've never asked anybody what they get..
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:38 PM
Apr 25

Trueblue Texan

(3,305 posts)
9. Actually, I could agree with the soda and candy part of this notion...
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 11:13 AM
Apr 25

…but if I recall didn’t rethugs have their panties all in a tuck over Michelle Obama’s ideas about improving nutritional values in school lunch rooms?

keep_left

(2,858 posts)
41. Yep. Anyone remember Sarah Palin and her Big Gulp...
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:08 PM
Apr 25

...at that CPAC event? The MAGA chuds really hated Michelle Obama's health initiatives. IIRC, Trump bulldozed the Obama victory garden at the White House.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143371940#post34
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219729247#post23

dchill

(42,199 posts)
11. Regardless of the potential health benefits,
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 11:20 AM
Apr 25

...this is NOT about health. As usual, it's about punishment, power and pure cussedness.

Jean Genie

(467 posts)
23. Sorry, Nanny - I'll never do it again.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 02:16 PM
Apr 25

Really, Martin 68? You would agree to the government nanny-stating you by telling you you're not allowed to have candy, soda, or whatever because you're a poor person?
While they're dismantling the education department?
Education, not deprivation, ought to be the remedy to ignorance and poverty.
No, I don't believe anyone (including the president) ought to be guzzling soda, or chomping into candy bars on a regular basis. But I do believe that shaking your finger at someone and saying, "No, no!! Bad person! No soda and candy for you!" isn't the way to go about getting the point across. Nor is, "I'm a well-off person and can therefore eat all the candy and drink all the soda I want so nya, nya, nya!"
It all reminds me of my late step-father who used to says he went to church so the leaders could tell him what to think!

Martin68

(25,614 posts)
25. Products with unhealthy amounts of sugar are bad for everybody, particularly children. It isn't "shaking
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:12 PM
Apr 25

a disapproving finger", it is making an intelligent policy for efficient use of federal funding. Health insurance rates go up when the diabetes rate goes up, and that impacts everyone negatively. I could just as easily, in the tone you've adopted, ask why you hate poor people. You object to my brief statement of opinion with a wordy lecture, coming across a great deal more nannyish than my simple statement.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
33. ? What else but food stamps would provide cupcakes and soda
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:30 PM
Apr 25

For a poor kid’s birthday?

They don’t give out pop at the food pantry geesh

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
31. Okay we can make a stipulation- one box of shitty cake mix per birthday
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:28 PM
Apr 25

Good enough?

Or what if- hear me out- what if food stamps paid for flour, sugar, eggs, and vanilla extract? Wouldn't that be rad?

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
36. I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:34 PM
Apr 25

Because wics guide lines wouldn’t allow half of that list

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
39. FOOD STAMPS do!!!!
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:04 PM
Apr 25

This isn't WIC- which already does not allow box cake mixes, sodas, or candies.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
44. The entire thread is about making food stamp purchases as restrictive as wic
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:34 PM
Apr 25

But let’s do the math on your eggs, flour, vanilla, milk

2oz vanilla on sale for $7.99

Carton of eggs? $5.00

Milk /gallon $3.59

Floor $3.00

So nearly $20. Which is more than the two day allotment for one person if you get the maximum

Can you see how easily the budget could be blown with a freaking cake?

12 mini cupcakes and a liter of pop is much cheaper and still not something a food stamp mom can really afford but at least her child’s birthday is celebrated

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
46. Look no one is making a cake with a dozen eggs
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:44 PM
Apr 25

A gallon of milk, a bag of flour, etc. They're using 3 of those eggs for the cake and the other 9 for a meal or two. Ingredients cost more at the point of sale, and save a lot over the long haul. More importantly, is the health impact of not substituting real food with real nutrients for junk foods and sodas. The yucky stuff is bad for all of us but do you know who is disproportionately burdened with nutrition related acute and chronic conditions? People who live below the poverty line. One of the reasons WIC is so useful and so successful in infant and maternal health is because it is nutrition focused.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
50. Poor people don't have the privilege of "the long haul "
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:07 PM
Apr 25

Start with no food in the house, nothing because if a family doesn’t have some kind of “cheat “ or “ help “ that’s what you would have when you get your food stamps

Use the maximum amount ( which hardly anyone gets) and then let us know when you’re out of food ( my bet is 3 weeks and 2 days)

Hope you are never blessed with the joy of
“A welfare Christmas “

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
53. Well as someone who has used both WIC and SNAP I can assure you...
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:27 PM
Apr 25

We actually DO know how to prepare, cook, and store our food.

I think the current SNAP allowances are ridiculously unreasonable and absolutely need to be increased. I also think it shouldn't be used on junky foods with no inherent nutritional value.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
54. Fine you be the sugar police while I will continue to trust most people do the best they can
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:39 PM
Apr 25

Funny you mention storage because that’s a big problem for most people who get most of their groceries once a month…. The little freezer at the top of the fridge doesn’t hold much

NickB79

(19,884 posts)
84. 2/3 of American adults are overweight or obese
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 01:46 PM
Saturday

38 million have diabetes, caused in part by their poor diet.

I think we can dispell with the notion most Americans know how to keep themselves healthy.

The only way we finally got Americans to cut back on smoking, something we've known was horrible for health since the 1950's, was to make cigarettes prohibitively expensive. I see no difference with our current sugar addiction.

CTyankee

(66,066 posts)
85. Homeless people lack kitchens. I don't know what percentage of folks on assistance are actually homeless, but my husband
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 03:03 PM
Saturday

has been active with this population in New Haven and is now chair of the city's Homeless Commission. People who are homeless eat fast foods when they can't access other options.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
55. Btw if you were on wic/snap , you weren't alone
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:46 PM
Apr 25

There was a baby involved and whoever the father was

If the father contributed and you didn’t claim his income, that would be illegal

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
56. What a weird response
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:49 PM
Apr 25

Do you regularly make accusatory comments about people on WIC/SNAP suggesting they must have committed fraud?? Do you have any clue the hoops one must jump through to attain these benefits? Believe it or not, people are not just making up babies or disappearing husbands/boyfriends. Seriously, what kind of right wing frippary is that??

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
59. I didn't accuse, I made a simple statement that you know is true
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 06:07 PM
Apr 25

Seriously snap users aren’t even allowed to trade food, that’s also against the rules so should the sugar police and the trade police be one person or two separate jobs?




AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
62. But you are suggesting just that-
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 06:35 PM
Apr 25

That these folks must be lying and hiding the fathers of their kids, because otherwise why even bring it up? Do you believe a large % WIC and SNAP users are forging documents and lying about their household income and the fathers of their children?

As far as trading food, no one is policing Bertha swapping an egg for a cup of sugar with her neighbor Tiffany. What they DO "police" are rogue retailers who will offer illegal workarounds like accepting food stamps for cigarettes, ringing them up as a consumable item. There doesn't seem to be ANY evidence this is a widespread problem though.

No needs to be "sugar police", in the same way you can't ring up a package of batteries with a SNAP card, it'd be as easy as not being able to ring up Dr Pepper. Retailers who do try to work around the issue through tactics like described above would be guilty of that fraud whether they are selling black market cigarettes or Dr Pepper in that fashion.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
63. I think fathers who don't live in the home but come around regularly
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 07:16 PM
Apr 25

To bring things like coats, bikes, new jeans, maybe a hoodie are common and way better than no father in their life at all

But if a person declared those gifts they could risk benefits especially if they have a crabby caseworker

You are the one micro managing food stamp recipients down to what they drink, not i

Btw why doesnt high fructose corn syrup bother you or is that next?

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
68. Oy- no, that's not how it works at all
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:16 PM
Apr 25

First, you're indulging in stereotyping here. Plenty of folks on SNAP and/or WIC are married couples. Plenty of others are cohabitating with their partners. Plenty of others receive some form of child support (and claim it). People on SNAP and/or WIC are not all just single moms- which seems to be what you're implying with this entire line of conversation.

Also, not sure where you got the idea people must "declare" non-monetary gifts. No, one does not need to claim a new coat from their spouse or a new kids bike from Grandma. Hey, you also don't need to claim items you get from a food pantry or donated clothes from a church. It's literally about cash income. Period. Not sure where you're getting these notions from but here's the actual rules...

https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefits#:~:text=What%20counts%20as%20income%3F,unemployment%20insurance%2C%20and%20child%20support.

"What counts as income? SNAP counts cash income from all sources, including earned income (before payroll taxes are deducted) and unearned income such as cash assistance, Social Security, unemployment insurance, and child support.

What counts as an asset? Generally, resources that could be available to the household to purchase food, such as amounts in bank accounts, count as assets. Items that are not accessible, such as the household’s home, personal property, and retirement savings, do not count. Most automobiles do not count.[5] States have the option to relax the asset limits, and most have done so."

Here is WIC eligibility, which is again strictly income based- https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/applicant-participant/eligibility

As far as HFCS, it's shit- especially in copious quantities. If RFK wants to outlaw it in American foods like they have in other countries, I'll cheer him on. As of now, though, that doesn't seem to be on the table. Or more pointedly- as of now- it's still on many tables.

NickB79

(19,884 posts)
83. That $20 makes 4-5 cakes though
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 01:42 PM
Saturday

So under $5/cake.

And all of those things are useable in other dishes, or things most people already buy regularly, so leftover ingredients won't spoil before use. Most households already buy milk and eggs weekly.

This isn't a budget blower. What IS a budget blower is soda, when a 12 pack costs $8 and a 2-liter costs $3. Before I gave it up, I was spending $400/yr on the stuff.

AkFemDem

(2,498 posts)
30. I do too...
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:26 PM
Apr 25

Part of what "sells" food stamp program, is nutrition. Those foods are not nutritious- or healthy.

Also, both food stamps and WIC are regulated by USDA for a reason! They're, at heart, programs that subsidize farmers.

Food stamps should pay for real food.

cannabis_flower

(3,876 posts)
42. Except that they are subsidizing farmers
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:09 PM
Apr 25

Who grow corn that way s made into things like high fructose corn syrup.

airmid

(520 posts)
14. This is all fine and dandy but let's be realistic here. SNAP come once a month. Has anyone here tried to make these
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 11:34 AM
Apr 25

Fresh, health foods last all month on one small stipend? I’m sure there will be a lot of suggestions and all may be good but until the price of actual healthy food comes down, this will just leave people starving. You can get a coupon for bread but not for a tomato…I could go on.

airmid

(520 posts)
72. No they do not. But you can buy a lot more crap with coupons Than you can fresh and healthy food. Most food has some
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:26 PM
Apr 25

Amount of added ingredients that all receive subsidies from the government. This helps lower their prices. On top of that you can get coupons to lower that price. When you are trying to feed people enough food to keep them alive, it’s not as important whether the quality is there or not. I am not saying it’s right or good. It’s about choices in the moment with the resources available. I’ve lived on both sides here. I worked for Job and Family Services and understand that the snap benefit most receive is inadequate and meant to be a supplement. But that’s a whole other issue. I’ve worked in grocery off and on for years and often saw customers struggling to make it through, feed their kids, often with whatever was on sale…and that’s mostly junk. And I’m talking a large majority of the food we eat or have available is processed crap. But it is cheap. And it quiets the hunger. And I have been on food stamps and thankful for the ability to buy the food I can actually digest. I can’t eat most crap. This is not an issue for me. But there are a lot of foods I can’t eat and that is not likely to be taken into consideration. Even worse, I’ve been homeless and eaten out of trash cans. If this is allowed to proceed there will be one aisle at the grocery snap recipients here will be allowed to shop. The class war grows.And those in charge will decide what’s good enough for each group.
Is this hyperbole…I would have thought so but here we are.

Martin68

(25,614 posts)
87. Yes, most of us understand the obstacles facing people living in food deserts. Candy and soda aren't the answer.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 09:29 PM
Saturday

Grants to entrepreneurs willing to open grocery stores in such places should be a start. Let's not get hung up on distractions like this. We know what the problem is. it is the Magats dismantling of every initiative to improve conditions in the places were food deserts exist.

EX500rider

(11,779 posts)
64. In Fla SNAP is paid once a month to your food stamp card, you can spend it whenever you want
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 07:29 PM
Apr 25

Last edited Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:19 PM - Edit history (1)

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
17. They are but...
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 12:10 PM
Apr 25

and there is always a "but"... there is a HUGE problem that exists in many urban areas with neighborhoods that are in what are dubbed "food deserts", where there are no nearby supermarkets and the people living there are forced to go to "convenience stores" or some local "corner store" that is minimally stocked with what people would consider "healthy foods or produce" (if they even sell any fresh produce at all).

This is why the food pantries became critical because many WERE offering fresh produce. But now with the huge grant cuts to orgs who run them, there will be less of them available now.

cadoman

(1,248 posts)
75. you thought that and before you blink they ended SNAP for undocumented immigrants
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 12:56 AM
Saturday

How right do you think they are now?

Torchlight

(4,572 posts)
22. No reason the poor should entertain enjoyment at the expense of others.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 01:26 PM
Apr 25

GOP has really fooled a lot of lazy thinkers that a one-line conclusion can replace wisdom.

JBTaurus83

(297 posts)
35. I have mixed feelings
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:33 PM
Apr 25

I agree that the amount of your SNAP benefit you are able to spend on these items should be a limited amount. Everyone deserves a snack or dessert that isn't the problem. The problem I have is I see plenty of people at my local Dollar General using this benefit to purchase solely processed horrible food by the cart. If you are purchasing it with your own money, you can do whatever you please. As others have said, if you are feeding this poison as almost the exclusive form of food to kids or elderly dependents I have a problem with that. As was also stated, people on SNAP are generally on public health insurance. Of course the GOP will be needlessly cruel, and limit you to purchasing whatever lobbyists in their particular state advocate for.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
40. Where I live the dollar store is in the middle of town a few blocks from the Krogers
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:06 PM
Apr 25

Which is more expensive

The real grocery store, with variety and better prices is 4-5 miles away

Without a car, riding the bus it’s difficult to bring too many groceries home

elocs

(24,186 posts)
37. When I was a kid back in the late 50s, early 60s, mine was a single mom & we had no food stamps.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 03:42 PM
Apr 25

We didn't commonly have soda to drink in the house and we didn't feel deprived. It was a treat maybe on a Saturday at the local candy store. That and other junk food was something we just didn't have. We were convinced that fruit cocktail was desert.

Cheezoholic

(2,894 posts)
43. People need to deal with reality here. I think many on this thread don't get how expensive it is to eat "healthy"
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:10 PM
Apr 25

I'm on a fixed income of, well, not a whole lot. Trying to eat healthy every day would break me if I didn't have a garden. They are blaming obesity and being unhealthy on poor people when they do this pure and simple. This is 80's welfare queen repuke bullshit 101 straight up. WTF people? That there are holier than thou's on this thread blows my mind.

questionseverything

(10,763 posts)
81. My grandkids hated the 1% milk and weren't fans of whole wheat bread either
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:31 AM
Saturday

So I don’t think that was just conservatives but the extra fruits and veggies were great

Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
47. This is about controlling the lives of people the Republicans deem stupid/incapable of running their own lives,
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 04:50 PM
Apr 25

based on the fact that they are poor.

ShazzieB

(20,440 posts)
58. That's exactly what it's about.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:59 PM
Apr 25

And it makes me sick to see so many people here saying this is just fine.

flvegan

(64,932 posts)
51. How will our 12 year olds work the fields and the factories
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 05:13 PM
Apr 25

without energy drinks?

Think, people. Think.

ShazzieB

(20,440 posts)
60. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 06:17 PM
Apr 25

Unless all the lawmakers who want to institute restrictions like these are willing to swear off eating or drinking ALL of the restricted items (which I'm SURE they are not), they're nothing but a bunch of big old hypocrites afaic.

Mark my words: these people don't give 2 whoops in Hades about poor people being healthy! If they did, they'd realize the amount of the monthly benefit is not enough to keep anybody healthy.

This is about people who can afford to buy food without help resenting the help provided to those who need it and wanting to limit the amount of pleasure poor people are able to derive from that help. It comes from a stingy, meddling mentality that isn't beneficial to anyone.

The funny thing is, Republicans like to scream about the so-called "nanny state" when they think someone on the other side of the aisle is moving too far in the direction of controlling personal behavior (like requiring everyone to wear seatbelts or passing "clean indoor air" laws that ban smoking in public indoor spaces). But they're happy to push nanny state b.s. like this when it happens to suit them.

Hypocrites. They're all hypocrites.

IowaUnionman

(12 posts)
61. Farm bill
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 06:34 PM
Apr 25

Snap is tied to the farm bill . Changes to one should bring changes to both ,if they want to play that game.
Many small towns don’t have a grocery store to buy those items and convenience stores don’t stock them either .

Skittles

(163,831 posts)
65. repukes lost their minds when Michelle Obama made healthy food proposals
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 07:59 PM
Apr 25

this has nothing to do with eating healthier, and everything to do with crapping on poor folk

BumRushDaShow

(151,667 posts)
69. And then she had some children from D.C. help to plant a veggie garden at the White House!
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:17 PM
Apr 25

They don't care about "health". If they did, they wouldn't be trying so hard to kill the ACA/Medicare/Medicaid and refuse to phase out coal mining (with no safety/medical support for the miners).

Skittles

(163,831 posts)
71. correct
Fri Apr 25, 2025, 08:25 PM
Apr 25

repukes do not give a FUCK if people are healthy and whether or not they have health care

they DO.NOT.FUCKING.CARE.

tulipsandroses

(7,201 posts)
76. Exactly! I don't believe for one second that this is about health
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 01:09 AM
Saturday

From the people that shun vaccines
Reject medical expertise and science
Perfectly fine with women bleeding out in parking lots…

Skittles

(163,831 posts)
78. yup
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 01:21 AM
Saturday

honestly, repukes NEVER have pure motives - it's mostly either greed, cruelty, or both

tulipsandroses

(7,201 posts)
82. These people want us to believe they care about a 10 yr old drinking too much soda, but if that 10 yr old is raped and
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 10:47 AM
Saturday

impregnated by her rapist, they would torture her and put her life in jeopardy with forced birth. Give me an elfin break.

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