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BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:20 PM Sunday

'Grounds for impeachment': NBC host confronts JD Vance on Iran strike

Source: Raw Story

June 22, 2025 9:54AM ET


NBC host Kristen Welker told Vice President J.D. Vance that lawmakers were reacting to President Donald Trump's Iran strike by calling for his impeachment.

"Many Republicans supportive, but Congressman Thomas Massie saying this was unconstitutional," Welker said on Sunday. "Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez saying it's grounds for impeachment, saying the president should have gotten congressional approval first."

"What do you say to members of Congress who say it was unconstitutional for the president to act unilaterally?" she asked.

"First of all, the President has clear authority to act to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and the worst weapon of mass destruction of them all is nuclear," Vance replied. "The idea that this was outside of presidential authority, I think any real serious legal person would tell you that's not true."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-iran-impeachment/



"The idea that this was outside of presidential authority, I think any real serious legal person would tell you that's not true."


Their "legal" people are not only bogus but should be disbarred.
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'Grounds for impeachment': NBC host confronts JD Vance on Iran strike (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
Shady Vance is a profligate liar UpInArms Sunday #1
Outrage needs to be our message.... FarPoint Sunday #2
As horrible as it is, it's not apparently illegal or unconstitutional Fiendish Thingy Sunday #3
I think the issue is the "notification" part BumRushDaShow Sunday #6
Good point PatSeg Sunday #7
Normally they give the "Gang of 8" a heads-up/briefing BumRushDaShow Sunday #8
It is all so surreal PatSeg Sunday #16
They made a consicous decision BumRushDaShow Sunday #17
And so typical of many republicans, PatSeg Sunday #18
I saw reports that Himes and Warner weren't briefed Fiendish Thingy Sunday #11
"Traditionally" (where those members can then notify their Caucuses) BumRushDaShow Sunday #14
I don't think it's "48 hours before" -- just *within* 48 hours. LauraInLA Sunday #19
Again - I expect "traditionally" BumRushDaShow Sunday #20
The language is "within 48 hours", so after, not before. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #22
But they don't wait until AFTER the "public announcement" (meaning non-classified informational announcement) BumRushDaShow Sunday #24
Indeed, but do you expect Bondi to prosecute? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #25
It's more a matter of finding and drafting legislation to close what has become an obvious "loophole" BumRushDaShow Sunday #29
The only way out of this is for We, The People, to remove them debsy Sunday #4
Oh, look at JD he is making a joke. sheshe2 Sunday #5
Vance: "IMPEACH TRUMP?" .... make my day, suckers. NT usonian Sunday #9
What an effing joke Vance is. 🤬 ShazzieB Sunday #10
He's so far out of his league it's embarrassing Blue Owl Sunday #12
The only way it's not Unconstitutional is if was a real danger directly to the US so he'd better have some evidence. cstanleytech Sunday #13
One problem - there are no "legal" persons in this administration. flashman13 Sunday #15
It's only going to work if they BOTH get impeached together FakeNoose Sunday #21
how much you wanna bet Skittles Sunday #23
I've seen this WMD movie before BoRaGard Sunday #26
It is up to Congress to decide if it is a high crime or misdemeanor. Not the lawyers. Walleye Sunday #27
No wonder the Pope doesn't like him. IcyPeas Sunday #28

FarPoint

(14,054 posts)
2. Outrage needs to be our message....
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:23 PM
Sunday

Otherwise....we will be sitting in our dirty diaper for a generation. I say protest actions directed at the compliant republicans need to go on full court press...Congress must act and actually do their job.

Let's not let them claim a success because there are no way to validate the bombing...Heck, we didn't have solid evidence of the level of nuclear build-up....

Then there is the US Constitution that requires Congress to vote on war ... Yes, bombing Iran as we did is an act of War.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,695 posts)
3. As horrible as it is, it's not apparently illegal or unconstitutional
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:39 PM
Sunday

According to the War Powers Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. ch. 33) is a federal law intended to check the U.S. president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States congressional joint resolution. It provides that the president can send the U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization", or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces".

The bill was introduced by Clement Zablocki, a Democratic congressman representing Wisconsin's 4th district. The bill had bipartisan support and was co-sponsored by a number of U.S. military veterans.[1] The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of President Richard Nixon.

It has been alleged that the War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past. However, Congress has disapproved all such incidents, and no allegations have resulted in successful legal actions taken against a president.[2]


Tons of precedents of presidents ordering military action without authorization from congress, including by Clinton and Obama.

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
6. I think the issue is the "notification" part
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:05 PM
Sunday

and only notifying one party's senior leaders - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143483471

The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
8. Normally they give the "Gang of 8" a heads-up/briefing
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:36 PM
Sunday

I.e., the House & Senate Majority/Minority leaders and Chairs/Ranking Members of the House & Senate Intelligence Committees.

Apparently they didn't bother telling the Democrats.

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
17. They made a consicous decision
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:35 PM
Sunday

to take full responsibility for what happened and completely do this without any Democrats - apparently thinking it was good for the polls and makes them look like "tough guys".

It took Lindsey Graham 20+ years to finally realize his dream.

PatSeg

(50,439 posts)
18. And so typical of many republicans,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:45 PM
Sunday

they act like they will be in power forever, so there will never be any repercussions down the road. It is like they are still in high school bullying all those who they perceive as being weak.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,695 posts)
11. I saw reports that Himes and Warner weren't briefed
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:28 PM
Sunday

But there was no mention of Schumer or Jefferies being excluded. Traditionally, the Gang of Eight were notified, but I don’t know if that’s written into the law.

Is it 48 hours from the decision (apparently made last Wednesday), or 48 hours from the beginning of the mission?

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
14. "Traditionally" (where those members can then notify their Caucuses)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:21 PM
Sunday

they notify the "Gang of 8" - The Speaker of the House, the Minority Leader of the House, the Majority and Minority Leaders of the Senate, and the Chairs/Ranking Members of the House & Senate Intelligence Committees.

They only told Jeffries & Schumer - once it had started and was underway, NOT "48 hours before" (I'm assuming the "before" clock deals with when the mission is expected to be carried out). They didn't bother notifying the (D) Ranking Members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees at all.

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
20. Again - I expect "traditionally"
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:59 PM
Sunday

they don't wait until AFTER they have already started bombing to notify the heads of the Chambers, let alone completely blow off the Minority Party (normally the whole "Gang of 8" is notified at the same time), like happened here per Schumer and Jeffires, who apparently only heard about it when the "public announcement" released, and only then were they finally "officially" contacted when the bombing was underway.

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
24. But they don't wait until AFTER the "public announcement" (meaning non-classified informational announcement)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:54 PM
Sunday

which is when Schumer and Jeffries indicated they found out something was up, after which as the bombs were dropping, they were finally "officially notified" per the law.

The "Gang of 8" gets classified information ahead of any military action.

The snub was intentional and a violation of yet another law.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,695 posts)
25. Indeed, but do you expect Bondi to prosecute?
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:07 PM
Sunday

At best, the snub will be listed among the articles of impeachment the new congress draws up in 2027.

BumRushDaShow

(155,130 posts)
29. It's more a matter of finding and drafting legislation to close what has become an obvious "loophole"
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:05 PM
Sunday

if/when we take control (similar to how loopholes were closed for the Electoral Count Act once we got control of the Chambers and Presidency in 2021).

There have been quite a few "courtesy protocols" that have been breached in Congress with this particular group of loon GOP members.

debsy

(617 posts)
4. The only way out of this is for We, The People, to remove them
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:42 PM
Sunday

Unfortunately, I don’t really see that happening.

"And the second thing is, Kristen, I certainly empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements in the Middle East," he continued. "I understand the concern, but the difference is that back then we had dumb presidents, and now we have a president who actually knows how to accomplish America's national security objectives."

What drugs was this guy taking during his history classes? Foreign entanglements in the Middle East have been around a lot longer than 25 years. Oil and Israel are the primary interests of the U. S. In the Middle East and have caused “entanglements” for at least 3 times as long as dumbass says, if not longer.

This attack is a distraction from all the pillaging they are doing:

https://www.salon.com/2025/06/21/for-sale-by-the-gop-our-public-land--and-our-shared-history/]

Who do you suppose will buy up all that land??
Look no further than the billionaires who bought this “presidency “:

[link:https://newrepublic.com/article/192741/trump-freedom-cities-company-towns]

sheshe2

(92,564 posts)
5. Oh, look at JD he is making a joke.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:43 PM
Sunday
"I understand the concern, but the difference is that back then we had dumb presidents, and now we have a president who actually knows how to accomplish America's national security objectives."

ShazzieB

(20,982 posts)
10. What an effing joke Vance is. 🤬
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:18 PM
Sunday

He wouldn't know a "real serious legal person" if he tripped over one!

cstanleytech

(27,700 posts)
13. The only way it's not Unconstitutional is if was a real danger directly to the US so he'd better have some evidence.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:19 PM
Sunday

And I mean real evidence and not forged documents about yellowcake that doesn't even exist.

flashman13

(1,332 posts)
15. One problem - there are no "legal" persons in this administration.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:23 PM
Sunday

They don't give a shit about the law.

BoRaGard

(5,871 posts)
26. I've seen this WMD movie before
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:13 PM
Sunday

Turns out republicons were lying to Americans then, as they are lying now.

Consistent falsehoods. Systematically violating the Comandment: THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

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