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Polybius

(22,250 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:01 PM Tuesday

Karmelo Anthony found guilty of murder in fatal stabbing of Frisco student Austin Metcalf

Source: CBS News

A Collin County jury found Karmelo Anthony guilty of murder in the fatal stabbing of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf during a Frisco ISD track meet, bringing an end to a closely watched trial that drew national attention and sparked debate over self-defense, race and school safety.

Anthony, now 19, had been charged in the April 2, 2025, killing of Metcalf at Kuykendall Stadium in Frisco. Prosecutors argued Anthony intentionally stabbed Metcalf during an altercation between the two teenagers, while defense attorneys contended Anthony acted in self-defense.

The jury reached its verdict after hearing testimony from dozens of witnesses over several days, including students who witnessed the confrontation, law enforcement investigators, medical experts and character witnesses called by the defense.

Anthony was arrested shortly after the stabbing and charged with murder. On Tuesday, during closing arguments, Judge John Roach allowed the jury to consider a lesser manslaughter charge.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/karmelo-anthony-trial-verdict-austin-metcalf-frisco-track-meet-stabbing/

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Karmelo Anthony found guilty of murder in fatal stabbing of Frisco student Austin Metcalf (Original Post) Polybius Tuesday OP
Good! Floyd R. Turbo Tuesday #1
35 out in 17.5 OC375 Tuesday #2
Unlikely out in 17. More like 20 at least Seeking Serenity Tuesday #4
They can use it for anything they want. Most of it will go to pay the attorneys, public or private. After that then it.. Jacson6 Tuesday #5
Appeals manicdem Wednesday #6
The GoFundMe campaign was cancelled due to their policies regarding crimes MichMan Wednesday #9
Why would anyone donate to Anthony? Polybius Wednesday #11
I wondered that too, but look at all the donations to Luigi. MichMan Sunday #34
While I strongly oppose donating to him too, at least I can understand (but disagree with) the reasoning Polybius Sunday #38
Who brings a knife to a track meet? Jose Garcia Tuesday #3
A black going to a track meet in a predominantly white TexasBushwhacker Friday #19
And how did that work out for him? EX500rider Saturday #22
I'm not saying what he did was right TexasBushwhacker Saturday #25
...a punishment range of five to 99 years or life in prison QueerDuck Wednesday #7
He got 35 MichMan Wednesday #8
Ugh. Should have been more. QueerDuck Wednesday #10
Definitely Polybius Wednesday #12
Post removed Post removed Sunday #32
Post removed Post removed Friday #13
Justice for some but not all. rogue emissary Friday #14
Thankfully, justice was served this time Polybius Friday #15
By ignoring Texas laws. rogue emissary Friday #16
What Texas laws were ignored? Llewlladdwr Friday #17
Texas has written into their code a "Stand your Ground" doctrine. rogue emissary Friday #18
He most certainly did provoke the attack Polybius Friday #20
where did you get he illegal had the pocket knife? rogue emissary Saturday #24
If you read the comments, multiple people say that Texas school policy prohibits knives at school events MichMan Sunday #31
But ignore the police officer that testified under oath. rogue emissary Sunday #37
Why would a police officer be testifying about school policies? MichMan Sunday #39
From the article. rogue emissary Sunday #42
I suggest you read this then MichMan Sunday #44
2025-2026 School Year rogue emissary Sunday #45
It hasn't changed... LtTx Sunday #49
There has been zero tolerance for weapons at schools for decades EX500rider Sunday #61
Does not comply with stand your ground manicdem Friday #21
"when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary" rogue emissary Saturday #23
And the jury thought otherwise MichMan Saturday #26
*All white Jury. rogue emissary Saturday #27
Not true MichMan Saturday #28
Correction: no identified African American Jurors. rogue emissary Saturday #29
So? Polybius Saturday #30
If only our laws were written to only recognize that a human murdered another human. rogue emissary Sunday #41
Fetterman and Platner aren't butchers Polybius Sunday #47
A butcher equals stabbing someone once? rogue emissary Sunday #51
Why are you defending this monster? Polybius Sunday #59
Why do you demonize him? rogue emissary Sunday #62
Because he's a cold-hearted murdering thug coward troublemaker that brought a knife to a fist fight that he started Polybius Yesterday #65
If I was a religious man I'd pray for you, rogue emissary Yesterday #66
Don't bother Polybius 15 hrs ago #69
What does that even mean in this context? Jedi Guy Sunday #36
Being an ally means not taking part in a racist system. rogue emissary Sunday #43
What racist system are you referring to? The Judicial system? MichMan Sunday #46
Yes the Judicial system that has been found to penalize black boys, and men at higher severity . rogue emissary Sunday #50
So people of color should just opt out of jury duty altogether, then? Jedi Guy Sunday #48
Anyone that can't acknowledge America's history of racism shouldn't take part in judging another. rogue emissary Sunday #52
What you said is pretty clear MichMan Sunday #53
"Anyone that can't acknowledge America's history of racism shouldn't take part in judging another." Jedi Guy Sunday #54
I know a few things for example rogue emissary Sunday #55
"They didn't mind three Black educators being removed from the jury." Jedi Guy Sunday #56
He is appealing with new lawyers. rogue emissary Sunday #57
"He is appealing with new lawyers." Jedi Guy Sunday #60
So ignore were I state a white educator was left on the jury. rogue emissary Sunday #63
"So ignore were I state a white educator was left on the jury." Jedi Guy Yesterday #64
This is why I'm against Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine. rogue emissary Yesterday #67
The Texas statute relies on the "reasonable person" framework like many other SYG statutes do. Jedi Guy Yesterday #68
they have to explain why it was necessary manicdem Sunday #35
Always Dlpger61 Sunday #33
35 years seems like a lenient sentence for murder rollin74 Sunday #40
I'm not about to defend Anthony B.See Sunday #58

OC375

(1,173 posts)
2. 35 out in 17.5
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:02 PM
Tuesday

What happens to the Go Fund Me money when you lose in criminal court? Can you use it at the commissary or must it be returned?

Seeking Serenity

(3,348 posts)
4. Unlikely out in 17. More like 20 at least
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:35 PM
Tuesday

It's very rare for someone convicted of murder in Texas to be granted parole the first time around.

Jacson6

(2,294 posts)
5. They can use it for anything they want. Most of it will go to pay the attorneys, public or private. After that then it..
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:25 PM
Tuesday

is theirs to do as they wish.

MichMan

(17,559 posts)
9. The GoFundMe campaign was cancelled due to their policies regarding crimes
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 06:57 AM
Wednesday

Instead they used an alternative called GiveSendGo

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
38. While I strongly oppose donating to him too, at least I can understand (but disagree with) the reasoning
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:11 AM
Sunday

Those who love Luigi (again, not me) say that he did a good deed by striking corporate greed; they claim that he killed someone who was indirectly murdering thousands with high cost prescriptions. With Anthony, I see no reasoning at all.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,336 posts)
19. A black going to a track meet in a predominantly white
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 09:19 PM
Friday

suburb of Dallas. Frisco has grown rapidly over the last 20 years. It used to be over 80% white. Now it's under 50% white, and they don't like it one damn bit.

I'm an old white lady and even I understand how threatened young black men feel.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,336 posts)
25. I'm not saying what he did was right
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 09:39 PM
Saturday

I'm saying that many young black men feel threatened. They are often perpetrators AND victims. I saw comments like "why did he bring a knife to a track meet?"

Karmelo Anthony is 5' 11" and weighs 162 lbs. The victim, Austin Metcalf, was 6' and 200 to 220 lbs. He played linebacker on the football team. So why did Austin feel the need to shove a much smaller student? He made a bad choice that day too.

QueerDuck

(2,057 posts)
7. ...a punishment range of five to 99 years or life in prison
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 05:44 AM
Wednesday
Under a murder guilty verdict, Anthony faces a punishment range of five to 99 years or life in prison. A manslaughter conviction would have carried a sentence of two to 20 years in prison.

Response to QueerDuck (Reply #10)

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
15. Thankfully, justice was served this time
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 11:17 AM
Friday

The one who murdered got 35 years. I wish he would have gotten life in prison though.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
18. Texas has written into their code a "Stand your Ground" doctrine.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 05:46 PM
Friday

This case meets the three main criteria.

He was legally allowed to be at the location.
He wasn't commenting a crime.
He didn't provoke the attack.

They also recognize the "Castle Doctrine" but that wouldn't apply. It does show Texas believes in a expansive right to self defense. Using this trail results as an example it's only for whites.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
24. where did you get he illegal had the pocket knife?
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 09:07 PM
Saturday

Easily found it wasn't illegal for him to have or bring to the stadium.

https://www.tmz.com/2026/06/08/karmelo-anthony-murder-trial-police-detective-testifies-knife-legal/

Karmelo Anthony Murder Trial
Detective Says Knife Was Legal Under Texas Law

The knife Karmelo Anthony allegedly used to fatally stab Austin Metcalf at a high school track meet wasn't illegal under Texas law ... according to a police detective who testified in Anthony's murder trial.

The testimony came as Anthony's defense team wrapped up its case, with jurors hearing from Detective Beau Riley -- a member of Frisco PD's Crimes Against Children unit who responded to the scene of the fatal stabbing.

One of the key moments came when Anthony's attorney had Riley confirm the knife Anthony carried that day was legal to possess in Texas ... and legal to bring into a stadium. . . .


Also, he most certainly had a right to defend himself.

MichMan

(17,559 posts)
31. If you read the comments, multiple people say that Texas school policy prohibits knives at school events
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 12:55 AM
Sunday

MichMan

(17,559 posts)
39. Why would a police officer be testifying about school policies?
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:13 AM
Sunday

Wouldn't it be school administrators?

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
42. From the article.
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:31 AM
Sunday
The testimony came as Anthony's defense team wrapped up its case, with jurors hearing from Detective Beau Riley -- a member of Frisco PD's Crimes Against Children unit who responded to the scene of the fatal stabbing.


Anthony's defense questioned him. They asked him whether it was legal in that jurisdiction and at that location, and he answered yes to both.

Why wouldn't a Police officer that's part of the Frisco PD's Crimes Against Children unit know school policies?

MichMan

(17,559 posts)
44. I suggest you read this then
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 11:14 AM
Sunday

I only included the relevant portions of the policy. The entire document is linked


Frisco Independent School District
Student Code of Conduct
2025-2026 School Year

School District Authority and Jurisdiction

School rules and the district’s authority to administer discipline apply whenever the interest of the district is involved, on or off school grounds, in conjunction with or independent of classes and school-sponsored activities.

The district has disciplinary authority over a student:

● At any school-related activity, regardless of time or location;

● For certain offenses committed while on school property or while attending a
school-sponsored or school-related activity of another district in Texas;



Possession of Prohibited Items

Students shall not possess or use:

A pocket knife or any other small knife;


https://www.friscoisd.org/docs/default-source/resources-information/frisco_isd_scoc.pdf?sfvrsn=bccd42d7_1

LtTx

(99 posts)
49. It hasn't changed...
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 01:31 PM
Sunday

the no weapons has been in the school districts codes for many years. All across the nation.

manicdem

(565 posts)
21. Does not comply with stand your ground
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 11:26 PM
Friday

You can only defend yourself with deadly force, like with a knife, if you are facing deadly force or a serious act of violence listed below in yellow. Stand your ground still requires the justification, only difference is there is no requirement to retreat if it can be done with complete safety.


https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/?tab=1&code=PE&chapter=PE.9&artSec=#C
Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.

(b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
(c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.
(d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
23. "when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary"
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 09:01 PM
Saturday

Karmelo Anthony's defense team argued that he believed deadly force was necessary.

It's why I'm generally against "Stand Your Ground" laws, but it should apply to all of us.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
29. Correction: no identified African American Jurors.
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 11:43 PM
Saturday

The last election taught me that most people of color don't see themselves as allies to African Americans.

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
30. So?
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 11:56 PM
Saturday

Race doesn't matter here. A human murdered another human. If he was acquitted, he'd murder again.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
41. If only our laws were written to only recognize that a human murdered another human.
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:26 AM
Sunday

Race does matter when, out of twelve jurors and six alternates, not one was African American.

Interesting that you don't acknowledge spreading disinformation. (illegal knife)

You now decree that Karmelo Anthony would kill again. So Fetterman and Platner get to grow from the evil they've committed, but not this child?

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
47. Fetterman and Platner aren't butchers
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 12:57 PM
Sunday

They did not commit murder like this worthless human did. He had no right to bring a knife to where he was, and cause trouble, which led to the murder.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
51. A butcher equals stabbing someone once?
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 03:51 PM
Sunday

Platner most certainly killed in combat. In your own words, a human murders another human. So he is a murderer, where we don't have self-defense or acknowledge he killed in military action.

He had no right to bring a pocket knife that a Police officer testified was legal?

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
59. Why are you defending this monster?
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 08:19 PM
Sunday

You can not bring a knife to school grounds. He picked a fight, and pulled it out like a wimp. He should have gotten the chair.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
62. Why do you demonize him?
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:51 PM
Sunday

The police officer testified it was legal. How does wanting to get out of the rain during a Tornado warning justify being denied shelter in a storm equal to picking a fight? What right did the Metcalf brothers have in refusing him the tent? Did they own the tent? Was it their property?

I'll answer your question. I suspect you won't sympathize with what I went through.

When I was in middle school. My best friend at the time, who was white, invited me to race RC cars with some high school kids in our neighborhood. The day started as a fun and what should have been a happy childhood memory. Turned into one of the worst and most shameful days in my life. It was a group of middle and high schoolers, but I was the only black kid.

As the group broke up and the day came to a close. We left their backyard and went to the front of their house, thanking them for a fun time. Two black girls got off a school bus from an after-school program. The two white high schoolers catcalled and yelled at them to come over to the remaining group, now four or five boys max. The girls only said, "We're not messing with you fools," or something to that effect. They did not curse or use racial slurs and continued to walk to their house.

The two white high schoolers got angry and immediately called them the N-word and B-word as soon as the girls walked past us. One of the high schoolers turned and realized I was sitting on the curb with my friend and said, "You're not like those N-words" Till he called me the N-word. I didn't think oh I'm a black kid with a group of white kids. What hurt me more was that my friend smiled and said nothing. I knew in that second he wouldn't speak up for me. I quickly realized if I stood up for the girls or hell for myself, they might get angry at me. Thinking I was uppity or ungrateful for getting to play with their RC cars.

So like a coward, I said nothing and sat there afraid. Realized I didn't tell my mom or granddad where I was, and if I disappeared. I knew it would have broken my mother's heart. I made myself small and quickly left before they could take their anger out on me.
This ended my friendship with my best friend, as I couldn't look or talk to him knowing he saw my cowardice.

I defended him because I was him. A scared black kid, outnumbered and realizing I'd be lucky to just get my ass beat.

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
65. Because he's a cold-hearted murdering thug coward troublemaker that brought a knife to a fist fight that he started
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 05:16 AM
Yesterday

He was told no. Fuck him for not taking no for an answer. I ate people like that. Does he melt in the rain?

As for you, I do sympathize. You shouldn't have had to go through that, but in the end, you did the right thing. You didn't murder anyone.

Polybius

(22,250 posts)
69. Don't bother
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 08:42 PM
15 hrs ago

I will never have any sympathy for murderous cowards. He knew he couldn't beat him in a fair fight, so he came back and started trouble with him and pulled a knife.

Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
36. What does that even mean in this context?
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 08:13 AM
Sunday

Does being an "ally" to someone mean supporting them no matter what, even when they're clearly in the wrong? Excusing bad behavior on their part just because they're a person of color? Refusing to consider the facts and blindly backing them up even when they've killed someone?

With all due respect, that sounds less like being an ally and more like being an enabler or sycophant. Being a good friend and ally to someone means having the courage to tell them when you think they're in the wrong and have made a mistake.

And you're making some pretty heavy assumptions about these jurors knowing nothing about them other than their race. Doesn't that strike you as a little bit problematic in and of itself?

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
50. Yes the Judicial system that has been found to penalize black boys, and men at higher severity .
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 03:43 PM
Sunday

Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
48. So people of color should just opt out of jury duty altogether, then?
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 01:15 PM
Sunday

Complaining that there were no black jurors in one post and then implying that they should refuse to take part in the judicial system is more than a little self-contradictory, don't you think?

Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by not taking part in a racist system?

And I notice that you didn't address anything else in my post.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
52. Anyone that can't acknowledge America's history of racism shouldn't take part in judging another.
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 03:58 PM
Sunday

So I never said black people who know America's history of racism shouldn't take part.

I didn't address the rest of your post, like others didn't address mine.

MichMan

(17,559 posts)
53. What you said is pretty clear
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 04:39 PM
Sunday
"Being an ally means not taking part in a racist system."


You know who takes part in the justice system every day?

Judges, Prosecutors, Defense attorneys, Clerks & administrative staff, and those of us who are called for jury duty.

Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
54. "Anyone that can't acknowledge America's history of racism shouldn't take part in judging another."
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 04:55 PM
Sunday

You confidently assume that this is the case for the jurors in question and yet you know nothing about them apart from their race. Again, do you not think it's even a tiny bit problematic to make such sweeping assumptions about people based on nothing more than their race? Hint: there's a specific word for that.

Furthermore, there's no evidence that America's history of racism had any impact on this particular case. It's very, very clear that Anthony reacted with force far out of proportion to the threat he perceived. A shove is not lethal force in the context of one young man touching another. There's no reasonable claim of lethal self-defense here in the legal context and certainly no claim of lethal self-defense in the moral sense.

I can't help but wonder if you'd perceive this case differently if the ethnicities of Anthony and Metcalf were swapped but all other facts remain the same. Based on your comments on this thread, I rather suspect you'd view it differently.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
55. I know a few things for example
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 06:08 PM
Sunday

They didn't mind three Black educators being removed from the jury.
They didn't mind the one white educator being allowed to stay.
How problematic it is to not have any black jurors at the trial.
They ignored the Police Officer's testimony that Karmelo Anthony had the knife legally.

You leave out key pieces of information.

Don't have to wonder. I'd feel sorry for a white child being denied his right of self-defense. Of course, your hypothetical reversal would never happen in our Judicial system. I.E. A white defendant would have no whites on their jury.

Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
56. "They didn't mind three Black educators being removed from the jury."
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 07:05 PM
Sunday

If they were improperly struck from the jury that would violate the Batson rule and give Anthony grounds for appeal. Neither you nor I know why they were struck. They may well have made comments indicating that their judgment would be prejudiced. They may have been removed improperly. Let the chips fall where they may on appeal.

How problematic it is to not have any black jurors at the trial.

That's your view, I guess. It's not necessarily a view shared by everyone. Non-black jurors can impartially judge black people just as black people can impartially judge non-black people. Again, you're making a ton of assumptions based on race rather than based on fact.

They ignored the Police Officer's testimony that Karmelo Anthony had the knife legally.

Okay, so he had the knife legally. So what? That doesn't excuse what he did with the knife. The only material difference would have been that additional charges would've been tacked on if he'd illegally been in possession of the knife. Apart from that, completely irrelevant.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
57. He is appealing with new lawyers.
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 07:48 PM
Sunday
If they were improperly struck from the jury that would violate the Batson rule and give Anthony grounds for appeal. Neither you nor I know why they were struck. They may well have made comments indicating that their judgment would be prejudiced. They may have been removed improperly. Let the chips fall where they may on appeal.


You assumed incorrectly, as I had read why the prosecutor struck them last week.

The case has drawn national attention and controversy over the race of both teens. Anthony is Black and victim was white. None of the jurors were Black. NBC News reported the state struck down three potential Black jurors during jury selection because they were educators. The defense objected, but Judge John Roach Jr. allowed the jurors to be struck.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/court/2026/06/11/554312/karmelo-anthony-appeals-collin-county-murder-conviction-austin-metcalf-race-criminal-justice-black-frisco-track-meet-stabbing/

So why didn't you know that?

Your other two points would be us arguing the trial facts, which we clearly don't agree on.


Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
60. "He is appealing with new lawyers."
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:12 PM
Sunday

As is his right, of course. Let the chips fall where they may.

"...because they were educators."

So as per your own source, not because they were black, which would violate the Batson rule. I don't know why their profession would be relevant but evidently the prosecution made a persuasive enough case for the judge to agree. Whether that holds up on appeal remains to be seen but in a high-profile case like this one, particularly one laden with racial tensions, the prosecution would be pretty dumb to blatantly violate the Batson rule. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course, since people do stupid things all the time.

So why didn't you know that?

My deepest apologies. I shall strive to be omniscient henceforth. Less flippantly, I hadn't exhaustively followed the case, just read about the verdict when the news broke.

In any case, I don't dispute that there have been miscarriages of justice based on race in the US judicial system. I just don't think this is one of them. It's very clearly a case of wildly excessive force against a perceived threat, no different than someone shooting a person who just pushed them. The only difference is the nature of the weapon and I sincerely doubt anyone here on DU would defend the killer in that scenario.

YMMV, though.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
63. So ignore were I state a white educator was left on the jury.
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 10:55 PM
Sunday

I'm not going to respond to rest as DU'ers will alert on my post.

Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
64. "So ignore were I state a white educator was left on the jury."
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 02:39 AM
Yesterday

Turnabout is fair play.

Less flippantly, I noted that whatever complete rationale the prosecutor provided passed muster with the judge and that if it were in violation of the Batson rule it would be resolved on appeal. Not sure what else you want me to say here.

Doesn't change the facts of the case one bit. Anthony responded to nonlethal force with lethal force. From where I'm standing the jury got it right and would very likely have delivered the same verdict if the ethnicities of those involved had been swapped or different altogether.

Anthony's claim of being in fear for his life was ridiculous based on the facts presented at the trial.

rogue emissary

(3,444 posts)
67. This is why I'm against Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine.
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 05:30 AM
Yesterday

Everyone's threshold of fear is different and can be different from situations to situations.

Clear your and the jury 's is higher than Anthony's.

That's why I live in VA and we don't have stand your ground.

Texas has both and I'm not going to ignore it for Anthony.

Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
68. The Texas statute relies on the "reasonable person" framework like many other SYG statutes do.
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 06:05 AM
Yesterday

It comes down to whether a jury believes the person's fear is reasonable and therefore if lethal force is justified. No one is "ignoring" the statute in Anthony's case and no SYG statute allows for the person's subjective belief in the moment to automatically be accepted as objectively true or valid.

It's really, really a stretch to argue that a shove to the shoulder is enough to make someone reasonably fear for their life, like gold medal in mental gymnastics level stretch.

Anthony's defense team tried to make that argument and a group of reasonable people didn't think it met the threshold and believed that he overreacted regardless of what he believed in the moment.

It really is just that simple.

manicdem

(565 posts)
35. they have to explain why it was necessary
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 06:06 AM
Sunday

I haven't been following the case closely so I'm not sure if the defense brought up why Karmelo though stabbing him was necessary through either (A) or (B) that I highlighted. They would have to show the other person

1. used or attempted to use deadly force against Karmelo - a shove isn't enough
****OR****
2. was going to do one of the following:
a. Kidnapping
b. Murder
c. sexual assault or aggrivated sexual assault
d. robbery or aggrivated robbery

I don't see any intent of any of those from what I saw. Which is why he was convicted of murder.

B.See

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58. I'm not about to defend Anthony
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 08:16 PM
Sunday

because it was a horrific act. So no commentary there.

But I DO have a problem with the nation's double standard of justice, especially when the perp is white and the victim, Black. And with the selective outage (nationally speaking) thereof.

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