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LIVE: Lake Superior Storm Cam (Original Post) catbyte Yesterday OP
The gales of November... COL Mustard Yesterday #1
Speaking of oceans... GiqueCee Yesterday #2
Yes, but only about 5 cm or less, so NOAA considers them to be non-tidal. catbyte Yesterday #5
Thanks! GiqueCee Yesterday #6
Fascinating! electric_blue68 Yesterday #13
Yes and no. BradBo Yesterday #7
It does Have a significant seiche, however (enough to reverse the flow of the St. Louis River in the Duluth Ship Canal) waterwatcher123 Yesterday #9
AHA! GiqueCee Yesterday #10
Our MN Seagrant office called their newsletter the "Seiche". waterwatcher123 Yesterday #12
lake gitchigoomi throws up AllaN01Bear Yesterday #3
My father once gave a great analogy to the ocean and the Great Lakes: Chasstev365 Yesterday #4
Many years ago I tipped a toe in to Lake Superior Siwsan Yesterday #8
Ice in June Cirsium Yesterday #11
Wow. Looks like the ocean... electric_blue68 Yesterday #14
I could sleep to the sound of the waves. Tbear Yesterday #15

GiqueCee

(3,102 posts)
2. Speaking of oceans...
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 09:51 AM
Yesterday

... I wonder if the Great Lakes are large enough to be affected by the Moon, and thus have tides. I'd never really thought about it before, but now I'm genuinely curious.

GiqueCee

(3,102 posts)
6. Thanks!
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 10:14 AM
Yesterday

I like to learn something new every day! So now I'm up to at least 28,470 new somethings!

Have a nice Thanksgiving!

BradBo

(849 posts)
7. Yes and no.
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 10:18 AM
Yesterday

True tides—changes in water level caused by the gravitational forces of the sun and moon—do occur in a semi-diurnal (twice daily) pattern on the Great Lakes. Studies indicate that the Great Lakes spring tide, the largest tides caused by the combined forces of the sun and moon, is less than five centimeters in height. These minor variations are masked by the greater fluctuations in lake levels produced by wind and barometric pressure changes.

Consequently, the Great Lakes are considered to be non-tidal.

Water levels in the Great Lakes have long-term, annual, and short-term variations. Long-term variations depend on precipitation and water storage over many years. Annual variations occur with the changing seasons. There is an annual high in the late spring and low in the winter. These changes occur at a rate that can be measured in feet per month.

Wind and weather conditions on the Great Lakes may create a seiche, an oscillating wave which can be several feet high. In many of the Great Lakes, the time period between the “high” and “low” of a seiche may be between four and seven hours. As this is very similar to the six-hour time period of the tides on the ocean, it is frequently mistaken for a tide.

waterwatcher123

(435 posts)
9. It does Have a significant seiche, however (enough to reverse the flow of the St. Louis River in the Duluth Ship Canal)
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 11:47 AM
Yesterday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiche

I used to watch the 20' plus foot waves rolling through Duluth Ship Canal during November (worked right next to it for years). They were so big they just about touched the bottom of our city's famous Aerial Lift Bridge.

Here is a collection of some spectacular photography of Lake Superior storms on the North Shore of Lake Superior in MN if you are interested (https://www.paulsundbergphotography.com/Lake-Superior/Storms). The photographer is the former park manager of Gooseberry Falls State Park.

GiqueCee

(3,102 posts)
10. AHA!
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 12:02 PM
Yesterday

I've learned a new word: SEICHE! I've got an above average vocabulary, but I always welcome an addition to it. Thanks!

And thanks for the pix! Spectacular waves!

waterwatcher123

(435 posts)
12. Our MN Seagrant office called their newsletter the "Seiche".
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 12:14 PM
Yesterday

Lake Superior is spectacular from wherever you see it. Happy Thanksgiving.

Chasstev365

(6,834 posts)
4. My father once gave a great analogy to the ocean and the Great Lakes:
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 09:53 AM
Yesterday

The ocean is like carrying a bucket of water because it has depth. The Great Lakes are like carrying a pan of water by comparison because it lacks depth and tends to slosh around more.

I also remember once in the 1970's, Ted Turner entered a boat in the Chicago to Mackinac Island race and thought it would be a breeze. He soon learn how difficult it was and gained a healthy new respect for navigating on the Great Lakes.

Tbear

(658 posts)
15. I could sleep to the sound of the waves.
Thu Nov 27, 2025, 08:01 PM
Yesterday

If you don’t have to leave the windows open.

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