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Related: About this forumGreta Thunberg, Gaza flotilla activists refuse to watch Oct. 7 footage after ship siezed
According to Defense Minister Israel Katz, the activists refused to continue watching the film after seeing the brutality of the attacks. "These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims, Katz said. They continue to ignore the atrocities committed by Hamas against Jewish and Israeli women, the elderly, and children.
The Madleen, carrying 12 pro-Palestinian activists and large amounts of humanitarian aid, was stopped early Monday morning by the Israeli Navy and brought to the port of Ashdod. Shortly before the activists deportation, Israels Foreign Ministry published a photo of Thunberg with an Israeli flag in the background.
Participants aboard the vessel included European Parliament member Rima Hassan, who previously justified the October 7 massacre; German activist Yasmin Achar; Irish actor Liam Cunningham (Game of Thrones); and Thunberg.
Fucking cowards.

msongs
(71,474 posts)Beastly Boy
(12,733 posts)Sorry, I just can't muster a serious response to this nonsense.
Doodley
(11,058 posts)Beastly Boy
(12,733 posts)Just as relevant as what I responded to. Which is completely made up.
underpants
(191,077 posts)Oy!
Beastly Boy
(12,733 posts)When did it start trending on pro-Hamas troll farms?
FirstLight
(15,286 posts)Because your comment really is not clear.
I understand that what happened October 7th was horrific, but I don't believe that what's currently happening in Gaza to the civilians is an equal payback.
Many Jews oppose Israel's actions 😔
Beastly Boy
(12,733 posts)The cowards are the hypocrites who would go to any length to deny the the atrocities they pretend to care about. To the point that they physically turn away from seeing them first hand.
Doodley
(11,058 posts)marybourg
(13,473 posts)I am in my 9th decade of life and have been an avid reader all my life, but I have never heard of that rule. Is that the rule that the U.S. followed against Germany in WWII? Or WWI for that matter. Or the North against the South in the Civil War? Of course not. A war could never be decisively won under such a rule. It would just be a series of skirmishes under such a rule. But actually thats a rule that only Israel is asked to follow, isnt it.
Richard D
(9,951 posts)Self absorbed performative virtue signaling twits.
Frasier Balzov
(4,423 posts)And don't think it's relevant to their relief mission.
That seems ok to me.
Beastly Boy
(12,733 posts)They keep bringing it up in a different context time and again and don't seem upset about describing in in the most gruesome detail, but when it comes to Israel, they suddenly turn squeamish.
And sure, the sadistic orgy of Hamas terrorists murdering, raping, mutilating and taking Israeli civilians hostage that started the war in the first place is totally irrelevant to their mission... and that seems ok to you???
I don't think I can comment any further without violating DU rules.
Israeli
(4,391 posts)By Oren Ziv
June 11, 2025
Throughout the day on Monday, journalists, solidarity activists, and right-wing demonstrators gathered at Givat Yona, a hill overlooking the Ashdod port in southern Israel, in anticipation of the arrival of the Madleen. The ship, which carried 11 activists, a journalist, and a shipment of humanitarian aid, had been stopped by the Israeli navy on its way to Gaza.
Israeli officers had boarded and took control of the ship illegally, while it was still in international waters around 3 a.m., and it arrived at the port, escorted by navy vessels, only about 20 hours later. By sunset, the ship was visible from the shore, but it seems the navy decided to wait until nightfall to bring it into the port, likely in order to prevent the media outlets waiting on the beach from documenting and covering the event.
Since contact with the ship was cut off in the early morning, apart from a few videos filmed by the activists before their arrest and a brief video released by the military, there was little left for the Israeli media to cover. Therefore, they decided to focus on the PR operation, as described by the highly popular outlet Ynet.
For example, public relations figure Eylon Levy (who was dismissed last March from his position as a government spokesperson) described the photo of the masked female soldier facing Greta Thunberg as the best picture of the war. Other headlines declared that Israel won the battle for public opinion.
One such victory could be found on Channel 12, where news presenter Oded Ben-Ami told a Hasbara activist: The environmental activist [Thunberg] was honored by one of Israels Shayetet 13 commandos with water in a plastic bottle and a sandwich. And they made sure it was a pastrami sandwich even though shes famously vegan.
According to the Israeli media, then, handing a non-vegan sandwich wrapped in non-biodegradable plastic to a vegan environmental activist is considered a PR coup. One can only imagine the response in Israel if mainstream media in Europe or the U.S. gloated about a religious Jewish detainee being handed a ham sandwich.
Not satisfied by his sandwich-related jibes, Ben-Ami later mockingly remarked that Thunberg would be forced to take polluting flights during her deportation from Israel, something she generally avoids. Even the Foreign Ministry jumped on the opportunity and published a photo of Thunberg on an El Al plane, which the popular Israeli television program Hazinor then posted with the caption: Greta is taking part in environmental destruction with a polluting plane on her way home. Shall we wish her a pleasant flight?
Mockery as strategy
Based on reactions like the aforementioned, it soon becomes clear that Israels handling of the Madleen affair says more about the state of the country in general, and of its public diplomacy (or hasbara, the state-sponsored propaganda effort) in particular, than it does about the symbolic flotilla itself.
The entire PR operation from denying the ship access to Gaza, through its seizure in international waters, to the various humiliation rituals targeting the activists unfolds against the backdrop of Israeli medias consistent avoidance of reporting on what Israel is doing to Gaza and its residents. Even now, instead of addressing the flotilla organizers demands to lift the siege and allow the unimpeded entry of aid into the enclave, local media chooses to mock the mission with derisive labels like the selfie yacht or the celebrity flotilla.
All this is happening while around the world, and increasingly within Israel, more people are calling to end Israels starvation of Gazans, as well as the bombings, the systematic destruction, and the indiscriminate killing of civilians. Its no surprise, then, that the official Israeli line resorts solely to trolling, gimmicks, and attempts to ridicule the small group of non-violent activists.
This approach trickled down from the government and the media to rightwing agitators who came to the Ashdod port to celebrate the achievement?? by dancing with Israeli flags and disrupting Arabic-speaking news broadcasts. It also inspired a trend of social media pages from various Israeli cities mocking the photo of Greta by replacing the sandwich handed to her by an Israeli commando with pictures of their own citys signature dish.
Such knee-jerk teasing and casual mockery only highlights the widening gap between the reality seen daily around the world, and whats broadcast to the Israeli public: Everythings fine, theres no genocide, we gave Greta a sandwich.
Closing their eyes to the truth
The psychosis didnt end there. Before the Madleen arrived in Israel, Defense Minister Israel Katz said he had ordered that the activists be shown the horror film, an Israeli-produced propaganda video showing atrocities committed by Hamas militants on October 7. According to a report in Haaretz, Katz wanted to install cameras in the room to record the activists watching the film, but the Foreign Ministry opposed it. The matter reached the Prime Ministers Office for a decision, and it was ultimately decided not to place cameras in the room.
In the end, the activists were not forced to watch the film. And yet, Katz later wrote: Greta and her fellow flotilla members were brought into a room upon arrival to view the horror film of the October 7 massacre, and when they saw what it was, they refused to continue watching, adding, without a hint of self-awareness, that they were closing their eyes to the truth.
As +972s Orly Noy noted in a Facebook post, the attempt to force the activists to watch the film marks the strange shift of this film from being a propaganda tool to a punishment device. The video, which was shown to diplomats, journalists, and foreign academics, has never been screened for the Israeli public, partly due to concerns about potential psychological harm. Turning its screening into a punishment is a natural development of the Israeli approach, which has treated October 7 primarily as a tool to silence, marginalize, and suppress criticism of the atrocities Israel carries out in Gaza and demands to end the war, even when such criticism comes from the families of victims or hostages.
Such conduct isnt an anomaly, nor is it a one-time outburst by an unhinged Defense Minister this is what is considered normal, official conduct in Israel these days. In being forced or at least threatened to watch the film, the flotilla activists were subjected to the same treatment as Palestinian prisoners who have been forced to watch scenes of destruction in Gaza, or detainees who have been filmed against their will in degrading ways.
Many Israeli journalists were outraged by a video Thunberg filmed before her arrest and published after the military seized the ship, in which she said that she and her companions had been kidnapped by the army. Legally speaking, since the group was arrested in international waters, this is indeed an illegal detention,as attorney Hadil Abu Salah from Adalah, who was part of the legal team representing the detainees, explained. Again, we see the logic of the occupation leaking out Just as with Palestinian prisoners, many of whom are held under administrative detention without trial, Israel finds it hard to grasp that it cant abduct people wherever it likes.
Beyond the short-term PR victory celebrated by Oded Ben-Ami and his ilk, the hasbara activist he interviewed, Maya Bentwich, found another reason for Israelis to feel relief. Were a bit lucky, there are a lot of events happening in the world, she said, implying they might divert attention from the Gaza flotilla. She failed to mention the one thing that would stop the international community from pestering Israel about the horrors it perpetrates in Gaza; the one thing which, despite polls and protests in the streets, the media still cannot conceive of: ending the war.
A version of this article was first published in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.
Source : https://www.972mag.com/trolling-the-madleen-reveals-israeli-medias-delusion/
Beastly Boy
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It was designed and executed as a publicity stunt, never intending to deliver any aid to anyone in Gaza. The "symbolic" amount of aid on board of Madleen was a prop. The gratuitous SOS signals, accusations of piracy, kidnapping, torture, were so over the top ridiculous and so inconsistent with the images they posted , in themselves amounted to mockery of their quest to seek publicity.
Oren Ziv, by rehashing all the ridiculous talking points coming from the organizers of this publicity stunt, only adds fuel to the mockery. The Gaza blockade, as well as the intercept, was legal under international law. It did not occur in international waters. It occurred, based on all available data, either it Egypt's exclusive economic zone or Israel's exclusive economic zone. While exclusive economic zones are open to navigation under ordinary circumstances, Israel gave explicit orders to the flotilla to not enter theirs. Since Egypt didn't forbid Israeli boats from entering their exclusive zone, under international law Israel had a right to intercept vessels whose intention was to violate their blockade. Only by falsely claiming that the intercept took place in international waters can he make the subsequent accusations seem plausible. Otherwise, his arguments fall apart and expose his hypocrisy that is rightfully subject to mockery.
Watching the documentary on the Oct 7 atrocities was a test, not punishment. And, by refusing to watch it, the detained violators failed it miserably, thus exposing their overt prejudices and contempt for the dead and abducted Israelis to further mockery, and rightfully so. It was a cowardly act.
Greta's environmental sensitivities in the face of her refusing lawful orders is even more ridiculous. She is an adult, she could have declined both the non-vegan sandwich and its environmentally incorrect wrapping. She didn't. The "polluting flights during her deportation from Israel" sounds even more absurd: her flotilla spewed out more pollution during its trip than than 100 flights, and Greta was inhaling it without any objections.
And a demonstration that this was a publicity stunt: the vast majority of Greta's images generated during the incident shows her surrounded by microphones and flood lights. Not a single one of them is of Greta feeding a Palestinian.