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reACTIONary

(6,505 posts)
2. Yes, but...
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 06:14 PM
Wednesday

.... the disarray was widely noted and discussed here on DU, with respect to Mr. Hogg's activities, candidacy and departure. It was that manifestation of disarray that spurred my interest in this article.

ancianita

(40,770 posts)
4. Your door of interest is relevant. I agree with you that the NYT's lingo is not relevant.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 06:32 PM
Wednesday

NYT's opinions are to attract and sell division. Corporate media profit from division "news" has not historically been helpful for the liberty and justice issues of the population at large. Establishment media might change, but right now we have to focus on party leadership's efforts to change.

Gum Logger

(125 posts)
11. The DNC needs to prove they can spend money wisely
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:34 AM
Saturday

That the money is not just going to the inside the beltway echo chamber

ancianita

(40,770 posts)
3. To maintain its donation levels, perhaps the DNC needs to win on the merits (in the context) of party goals,
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 06:26 PM
Wednesday

philosophy, strategy and tactics.

Money is symbolic of support. But support works both ways.
Support of the five million who Ken Martin's DNC seems to act reluctant to support (Indivisibles? Young College Democrats? Unions?Vice Chairs) won't get money until Martin promotes youth (both Kenyatta and Hogg) and unity, is also important.

No Kings protests should have revealed more of the merits to party leadership. The party can win on the merits of a broad coalition it has seen in the streets. But the party has to act with and invest in the groups who organized the 5 million who emerge as a political force the party must include.

Infighting about hierarchal decision making and/or party structure seems, imo, to waste valuable time and party spirit.

We can focus on party infighting that might or might not connect to donation levels, or
we can and should focus on the party opening up to new demographic inclusion and including them by working with and for them.

reACTIONary

(6,505 posts)
5. I'm not fully informed about the groups ...
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:36 PM
Wednesday

... that may or do participate, but reading about the DNC I find that...

Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, and Lee Saunders, the president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees are members of the D.N.C. Although they did not keep their positions on the rules and bylaws committee.

The Young Democrats of America have three official representatives on the D.N.C. No mention of the College Democrats or the High School Democrats.

My take on the Hogg controversy is that if he gave up on primary partisanship he would have been just fine.

Indivisables I have no certain knowledge of. I would have to look into that.

ancianita

(40,770 posts)
7. Points taken.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:46 PM
Wednesday

Yet Martin and the Democratic Party ... why is it "plagued by infighting" and why is it presented as "chaos"?

So donations are down. Our Biden/Harris megadonors might not be investing right now, but they're literally seeing where the American public stands in the polls and on the streets.

So this news doesn't seem to help "the way forward." Finding ways to help the Party -- which has been working its ass off to win special elections, getting congressional Democrats drawing maga crowds -- would be much more helpful.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,693 posts)
6. I know 16 senators flush with cash from a cryptocurrency super PAC
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:38 PM
Wednesday

$10 million to Gallego alone.

Jirel

(2,306 posts)
8. That's what you get when you refuse change...
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 08:11 PM
Wednesday

… and then whine that you were denied the ability to show leadership. Martin is an old-school, “safe,” status-quo disgrace, and needs to go.

Want money? Fire up the voters with exciting choices. I’m done with the DNC’s familiar ways of continually shifting the “big tent” to the right, refusing to primary terrible seat-warmers, and losing elections while learning nothing from its missteps.

usonian

(18,573 posts)
9. Maybe there are countless people like me
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 07:39 PM
Thursday

who wrote on the "unsubscribe from this beg list" page

No action, no money.

The DNC is bringing marshmallows to a Reichstag fire (or something like that).

Not knocking any person or persons, but Bernie and AOC have it right. Despite giant policy diffrences, both parties are beholden to the rich.

That is issue nuber 1 IN THE WORLD.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220413356

DNC can get cash from the public, the old fashioned way. EARN IT.

somsai

(116 posts)
10. After the midterms things go national
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 05:50 PM
Friday

For now billionaires are sitting things out, when it's time for midterm primaries they'll donate to candidates not the DNC, if there is a good chance of flipping a congressional district or if a congresscritter is in trouble they'll donate then.

As for disarray, yup, the Democratic Party saw huge undeniable shifts in Black, Latino, and Asian voters, we made tiny gains in white women. The ground has shifted.

lees1975

(6,643 posts)
12. Well, do some listening of your own. Do you hear and see what's going on?
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 04:30 PM
Yesterday

Yeah at 26% approval, those aren't good numbers for a midterm shift to get rid of a demagogue. Better listen instead of letting the people who are hitting on the right notes go. David Hogg was the DNC's hope to get out of being a moribund, ineffective institutional nothing and start moving forward but the status quo, that got us here in the first place, don't like that kind of risk taking boldness.

Well, I do and as a lifelong Democrat, I'm not ever voting for the status quo. If Bernie or AOC were on my ballot, they'd get my vote Anyone who has supported Trump nominees, doesn't get it.

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