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jcmaine72

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6. "As much as the current Iranian regime is noxious, it could be worse."
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 05:27 AM
Jun 18

Last edited Wed Jun 18, 2025, 06:07 AM - Edit history (1)

And it will be worse, rest assured. Much, much worse.

If we've proven nothing else since we first decided to go chest deep into the raw sewage of the Middle East decades ago it's that we absolutely suck at nation building there. By and large, we are NOT seen as fair and unbiased actors by the overwhelming majority of the people there, let alone as the benevolent, boundlessly heroic, generous agents of democracy that our government undoubtedly sees itself as. If we're not instituting regime change to safeguard ours and the West's oil supply in the region, we're handing blank check after blank check to a nation they see (rightly or wrongly) as their mortal enemy.

The saddest part of all is that, given enough time, the people of Iran of their own accord would probably rid themselves of the Ayatollah's and the early-medieval theocracy they've shackled the Iranian people and nation to. However, if we destroy their nation, if we humiliate them on the world stage and impose some half-a$$ed puppet regime on them, they will never forgive us.

Iran was once a democracy, until the CIA helped to orchestrate a coup against its democratically elected prime minister (Mohammad Mossadegh) in 1953 because we didn't like the cut of his Socialist jib. Instead, we foisted the tyranny of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on the Iranian people which eventually produced the 1979 Islamic Revolution....and gee, look at how wonderful that worked out for us.

How to radicalize a population over several generations and make permanent enemies 101. It's a class we've been masterfully teaching since the 1950s. Too bad we haven't learned anything.

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As a big piece of crap, who happened to be right this one time, said: RockRaven Jun 18 #1
Wasn't it Colin Powell who invoked that "Pottery Barn" adage? no_hypocrisy Jun 18 #3
Indeed. RockRaven Jun 18 #4
As another quote from that era reassured us... regnaD kciN Jun 18 #5
pahlavi has reappeared rampartd Jun 18 #2
Yes - Reza is getting excited Pachamama Jun 18 #10
"As much as the current Iranian regime is noxious, it could be worse." jcmaine72 Jun 18 #6
Everything is not about the US. The people of Iran prefer the shah and that's what they want JI7 Jun 18 #9
"Everything is not about the US" jcmaine72 Jun 18 #12
The safest place to bomb nuclear centrifuges would be Underground EX500rider Jun 18 #19
Safe relative to what, the surface of Mars? jcmaine72 Jun 18 #25
Since the facility is 100's of feet underground I doubt there would be any surface contamination. EX500rider Jun 18 #27
You doubt? jcmaine72 Jun 18 #34
No, I know EX500rider Jun 18 #40
Really, the Israelis themselves seem to think differently. jcmaine72 Jun 18 #43
They prefer the Shah? choie Jun 18 #28
Could you please provide actual proof of your statement? Or are you the shah in waiting? hedda_foil Jun 18 #32
Deja Vu from the exact same mindset that brought us the Iraq War for the same sick goals. vanessa_ca Jun 18 #45
THIS THIS THIS orangecrush Jun 18 #30
Most Iranians are not Muslim and the ones that are JI7 Jun 18 #7
I agree that ISIS would have no power in a Shia dominated country AZProgressive Jun 18 #8
I thought Iran was mostly Muslim. Haggard Celine Jun 18 #11
I think about 30 percent is shia Muslim and the rest JI7 Jun 18 #14
While I concede that you seem to have a better knowledge of Iranian politics than I do, I can't move away Scrivener7 Jun 18 #13
I agree that he will only do what benefits himself JI7 Jun 18 #15
No, most Iranians are not Sunni - but most are definitely Muslim . . . hatrack Jun 18 #16
Most have left Islam that's why they are cheering on Israel JI7 Jun 18 #20
I doubt if anyone in Iran, other than Mossad agents, is cheering on Israel. hedda_foil Jun 18 #33
Just like the Palestinians are cheering on Israel -eom vanessa_ca Jun 18 #46
Not sure if they'd want a Shah back. haele Jun 18 #21
They do want the Shah back JI7 Jun 18 #22
Who is "they"? I haven't seen what you're talking about. JanMichael Jun 18 #35
Fascinating Prairie Gates Jun 18 #31
What?? Absurd. AloeVera Jun 18 #42
Interesting read purple_haze Jun 18 #17
Was literally just wondering "and then what is the plan for after?" Alice B. Jun 18 #18
If Trump and Bibi Rebl2 Jun 18 #23
I recommend reading this is you want to know what is likely to happen first. the_liberal_grandpa Jun 18 #24
The CIA created this mess in the 50s. Basso8vb Jun 18 #26
Political change must happen Canada Kid Jun 18 #29
We don't have a very good record of regime change. JanMichael Jun 18 #36
Regime change, yeah that's the ticket, kid from Canada. hedda_foil Jun 18 #37
When Iran Learned to Hate America Kid Berwyn Jun 18 #39
Erdogan said that Netanyahu is the "biggest threat" to middle east security AZProgressive Jun 18 #38
After reading all these posts i still have the same question, what next? Srkdqltr Jun 18 #41
ISIS are Sunni. Iran is Shiia. maxsolomon Jun 18 #44
If tRump get involved, he would f'ck up a wet dream. CentralMass Jun 18 #47
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