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haele

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21. Not sure if they'd want a Shah back.
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 10:20 AM
Jun 18

The reason there's a religious theocracy running Iran in the first place was that the Shah was a brutal dictator who didn't just force the majority of Iran's population into a peasantry by destroying labor unions and democracy under his "anti-Communist" agendas, and his secret police still went after "favored" or privileged intellectuals and businesses. The Shah was a Fascist.
The Revolutionary Guard and their use of torture and execution as a method of enforcing compliance to a regime came directly out of SAVAK's playbook.
The Iranian people were sold a bill of goods from Ayatollah Khomani when he persuaded them his interpretation of Islam would save them from the corrupt excesses of the Shah.
But an Autocrat is always an Autocrat, and the Ayatollah never promised Democracy or a thriving Middle Class, because his vision of Islam had no use for either. The Iranian people in general want Democracy, the ability to have personal autonomy and a chance to succeed if they take the risks, as well as the stability to live fairly comfortably and work within their capabilities, and with a safety net to help them through old age needed.

Neither Netenyahu and *rump/Project 2025, nor Putin and the rest of the Arab Cartel, are going to allow the Iranian people the dignity to determine their own government. They all want Iran to be an client oil supplier.

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As a big piece of crap, who happened to be right this one time, said: RockRaven Jun 18 #1
Wasn't it Colin Powell who invoked that "Pottery Barn" adage? no_hypocrisy Jun 18 #3
Indeed. RockRaven Jun 18 #4
As another quote from that era reassured us... regnaD kciN Jun 18 #5
pahlavi has reappeared rampartd Jun 18 #2
Yes - Reza is getting excited Pachamama Jun 18 #10
"As much as the current Iranian regime is noxious, it could be worse." jcmaine72 Jun 18 #6
Everything is not about the US. The people of Iran prefer the shah and that's what they want JI7 Jun 18 #9
"Everything is not about the US" jcmaine72 Jun 18 #12
The safest place to bomb nuclear centrifuges would be Underground EX500rider Jun 18 #19
Safe relative to what, the surface of Mars? jcmaine72 Jun 18 #25
Since the facility is 100's of feet underground I doubt there would be any surface contamination. EX500rider Jun 18 #27
You doubt? jcmaine72 Jun 18 #34
No, I know EX500rider Jun 18 #40
Really, the Israelis themselves seem to think differently. jcmaine72 Jun 18 #43
They prefer the Shah? choie Jun 18 #28
Could you please provide actual proof of your statement? Or are you the shah in waiting? hedda_foil Jun 18 #32
Deja Vu from the exact same mindset that brought us the Iraq War for the same sick goals. vanessa_ca Jun 18 #45
THIS THIS THIS orangecrush Jun 18 #30
Most Iranians are not Muslim and the ones that are JI7 Jun 18 #7
I agree that ISIS would have no power in a Shia dominated country AZProgressive Jun 18 #8
I thought Iran was mostly Muslim. Haggard Celine Jun 18 #11
I think about 30 percent is shia Muslim and the rest JI7 Jun 18 #14
While I concede that you seem to have a better knowledge of Iranian politics than I do, I can't move away Scrivener7 Jun 18 #13
I agree that he will only do what benefits himself JI7 Jun 18 #15
No, most Iranians are not Sunni - but most are definitely Muslim . . . hatrack Jun 18 #16
Most have left Islam that's why they are cheering on Israel JI7 Jun 18 #20
I doubt if anyone in Iran, other than Mossad agents, is cheering on Israel. hedda_foil Jun 18 #33
Just like the Palestinians are cheering on Israel -eom vanessa_ca Jun 18 #46
Not sure if they'd want a Shah back. haele Jun 18 #21
They do want the Shah back JI7 Jun 18 #22
Who is "they"? I haven't seen what you're talking about. JanMichael Jun 18 #35
Fascinating Prairie Gates Jun 18 #31
What?? Absurd. AloeVera Jun 18 #42
Interesting read purple_haze Jun 18 #17
Was literally just wondering "and then what is the plan for after?" Alice B. Jun 18 #18
If Trump and Bibi Rebl2 Jun 18 #23
I recommend reading this is you want to know what is likely to happen first. the_liberal_grandpa Jun 18 #24
The CIA created this mess in the 50s. Basso8vb Jun 18 #26
Political change must happen Canada Kid Jun 18 #29
We don't have a very good record of regime change. JanMichael Jun 18 #36
Regime change, yeah that's the ticket, kid from Canada. hedda_foil Jun 18 #37
When Iran Learned to Hate America Kid Berwyn Jun 18 #39
Erdogan said that Netanyahu is the "biggest threat" to middle east security AZProgressive Jun 18 #38
After reading all these posts i still have the same question, what next? Srkdqltr Jun 18 #41
ISIS are Sunni. Iran is Shiia. maxsolomon Jun 18 #44
If tRump get involved, he would f'ck up a wet dream. CentralMass Jun 18 #47
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