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Bernardo de La Paz

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7. You could have chosen any number of similar pie in the sky examples and they'd all be dreams but not selling points.
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 03:12 AM
Oct 31

AI is not being sold on that basis.

AI is being sold on the here and now agentic basis. AI is providing agents to answer questions, agents to write a piece of code, agents to analyze some incoming data and route it to the appropriate human, agents to answer the phone, agents to summarize meetings, agents to talk to other agents.

Doing all that agentic stuff can enhance a company's profitability now. Probably. Maybe. The MIT study says few companies are actually getting a solid return from deployment yet. I think that after the coming AI winter the next AI summer will deliver those solid returns. There are plenty of ways for AI companies to make good profits with the capabilities that already exist, with the inevitable fine tuning and optimization. They don't need to be capable of project management for there to be lots of profits.

AI is real, AI is powerful, it will be tuned, it will be made more efficient, but it won't do project management this decade and probably not the next. But maybe after 2040 which is not so far away, if there are some breakthroughs on the revolutionary scale of the LLM breakthrough.

If someone tries to sell you an investment or a product based on the idea that it can, or "just in a couple of years" will, manage a large project on its own, ... find out what the company is and sell their stock short.

I know you are not saying it can do it now, but rather you are saying it is being held out as a promise of future capabilities to get investment now. But really, nobody is selling stock or products on that future premise. There are an awful lot of people who make that extrapolation on their own, which is why we have a stock market AI bubble now. But that is rather like investing in Netscape or Altavista in 1998 hoping it will become some vaguely imagined Facebook or Amazon of the future. Those two companies withered away.

Let the bubble burst and see who emerges from the wreckage. If you make a half dozen to a dozen small investments in 2027 or 8 or 9, you will likely have a big winner among them by 2040. Like how a dozen years after the 2000 bubble burst by 2012 it was pretty clear Apple, Facebook, and Amazon were going to win with the internet.

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I hope it replaces all of the investment bankers VMA131Marine Oct 31 #1
I have worked with various forms of AI since the 1980s. Metaphorical Oct 31 #2
I'm really not asserting that this is what will happen, but I believe machines capable of tasks on that scale AZJonnie Oct 31 #3
Yes, I agree that is the selling point being used. Hugin Oct 31 #5
Oh, I absolutely agree with that Metaphorical Oct 31 #21
My own cursory queries bear out the approximate 30% error rate. Hugin Oct 31 #4
Good points and good analysis. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #6
You could have chosen any number of similar pie in the sky examples and they'd all be dreams but not selling points. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #7
Sure, I use Gemini Agentic via CLI everyday. But all I'm talking about is a collection of agents that effectively talk AZJonnie Oct 31 #9
Remember that most agentic calls Metaphorical Oct 31 #22
Well yeah I don't have Gemini running locally like I do Ollama and a couple other models AZJonnie Oct 31 #23
Helpful Starbeach Oct 31 #8
Too long to read. I'll bookmark it. QueerDuck Oct 31 #10
And you'll end up with a 90k sqft ballroom LetsGetSmartAboutIt Oct 31 #11
Stupid Question About AI Bibbers Oct 31 #12
Some amateur answers... Hugin Oct 31 #14
+1 leftstreet Oct 31 #15
Thanks so much! Bibbers Nov 2 #31
What a pile of bullshit. hunter Oct 31 #13
The coding is useful...but the resto is just bullshit and will crash...the AI companies are Demsrule86 Oct 31 #16
Yeah. I probably didn't make clear enough that my point was more political than technical AZJonnie Oct 31 #17
I didn't mean to call you out...just interests me...I love computers and coding. Demsrule86 Nov 1 #30
I've seen too many articles on problems with AI coding including security risks that aren't caught to be highplainsdem Oct 31 #18
I probably should have made it more clear that my point was more political than technical AZJonnie Oct 31 #19
That's very interesting, but I think there is a flaw in that MineralMan Oct 31 #20
I really didn't mean it's definitely going to work and building a building was just a convenient illustration AZJonnie Oct 31 #25
All well and good, but the energy demand will kill us (financially and literally) . . . . hatrack Oct 31 #24
Yeah I certainly did not to have it come off sounding like it's all a 'good thing' ESPECIALLY not for the climate AZJonnie Oct 31 #27
Priceline refund works on AI Turbineguy Oct 31 #26
Fascinating discussion. Thank you all. cachukis Oct 31 #28
AI, as both a technology and a commodity, is in its infancy, but this thread makes some nice points Ilikepurple Oct 31 #29
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