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MineralMan

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20. That's very interesting, but I think there is a flaw in that
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 01:22 PM
Oct 31

concept that can't be ignored. If human beings are required to do the actual work of turning a big project into reality, one thing that absolutely has to be taken into consideration is the general laziness of human beings. Go visit a project as simple as building a nice home on a lot for people to buy and live in. On a small scale, that is the same as building the largest project you can imagine. Individual humans work together in small groups to do the actual physical work in building that project. Standing nearby will be other human beings whose job it is to make sure the paid workers are doing the job efficiently and properly. Take those people away and that house is going to leak, lean, or fall down long before it should. Why, because people are lazy in their work and take whatever shortcuts they can invent to do it the fastest, easiest way possible. And that's almost never the proper way.

So the AI does everything about the supply chain and finding people to do the work. It brings all of those things together, and what happens. Basically nothing, without the supervisors who tell all those workers what to do, when, and how to do it properly. Then, after the work is done, it gets inspected and redone if there are errors. Where do those supervisors come from and how does the AI system know which ones are good and will get the work done properly?

Where do they come from? Well, they're self-generating. They all start out doing the actual work, which they learn to do properly and efficiently. They get noticed by the supervisors they work under and begin to get supervisory assignments because they know WTF they're doing. Years later, they are picking out other workers who are capable of becoming supervisors.

That is one thing no AI system will ever be able to do: Supervise human workers. Because AI cannot do anything the workers can do, so it cannot learn how to supervise workers. AI has no eyes, hands, feet or ears. It has no way of knowing the quality of what is under construction. That requires human experience and intelligence. Did that framer use the correct fasteners and enough of them? Were they installed correctly. AI has no idea. It can only assume so.

The only people AI can replace are on the supply side of projects and top level organization and planning. After that, real humans have to take over, because the AI lives in dataspace and has no knowledge of physical reality. It just has descriptive models of that, but has never experienced the reality of any of those models.

And so it goes, on and on...

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I hope it replaces all of the investment bankers VMA131Marine Oct 31 #1
I have worked with various forms of AI since the 1980s. Metaphorical Oct 31 #2
I'm really not asserting that this is what will happen, but I believe machines capable of tasks on that scale AZJonnie Oct 31 #3
Yes, I agree that is the selling point being used. Hugin Oct 31 #5
Oh, I absolutely agree with that Metaphorical Oct 31 #21
My own cursory queries bear out the approximate 30% error rate. Hugin Oct 31 #4
Good points and good analysis. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #6
You could have chosen any number of similar pie in the sky examples and they'd all be dreams but not selling points. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #7
Sure, I use Gemini Agentic via CLI everyday. But all I'm talking about is a collection of agents that effectively talk AZJonnie Oct 31 #9
Remember that most agentic calls Metaphorical Oct 31 #22
Well yeah I don't have Gemini running locally like I do Ollama and a couple other models AZJonnie Oct 31 #23
Helpful Starbeach Oct 31 #8
Too long to read. I'll bookmark it. QueerDuck Oct 31 #10
And you'll end up with a 90k sqft ballroom LetsGetSmartAboutIt Oct 31 #11
Stupid Question About AI Bibbers Oct 31 #12
Some amateur answers... Hugin Oct 31 #14
+1 leftstreet Oct 31 #15
Thanks so much! Bibbers Sunday #31
What a pile of bullshit. hunter Oct 31 #13
The coding is useful...but the resto is just bullshit and will crash...the AI companies are Demsrule86 Oct 31 #16
Yeah. I probably didn't make clear enough that my point was more political than technical AZJonnie Oct 31 #17
I didn't mean to call you out...just interests me...I love computers and coding. Demsrule86 Saturday #30
I've seen too many articles on problems with AI coding including security risks that aren't caught to be highplainsdem Oct 31 #18
I probably should have made it more clear that my point was more political than technical AZJonnie Oct 31 #19
That's very interesting, but I think there is a flaw in that MineralMan Oct 31 #20
I really didn't mean it's definitely going to work and building a building was just a convenient illustration AZJonnie Oct 31 #25
All well and good, but the energy demand will kill us (financially and literally) . . . . hatrack Oct 31 #24
Yeah I certainly did not to have it come off sounding like it's all a 'good thing' ESPECIALLY not for the climate AZJonnie Oct 31 #27
Priceline refund works on AI Turbineguy Oct 31 #26
Fascinating discussion. Thank you all. cachukis Oct 31 #28
AI, as both a technology and a commodity, is in its infancy, but this thread makes some nice points Ilikepurple Oct 31 #29
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