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hatrack

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24. All well and good, but the energy demand will kill us (financially and literally) . . . .
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 05:27 PM
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TX is currently facing interconnection requests for new locations (AI, crypto and other data centers) for four times the maximum demand ever placed on their grid. That's 205 new gigawatts of requests. The maximum daily demand ever on their grid was 85.5 GW in August 2023.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/28102025/texas-data-center-grid-planning-struggles/

This is one among a multitude of examples of how much of a fuck-up this whole thing is likely to end up being.

Q&A

1. How quickly can new plants be built?
2. Will they be built?
3. If they are, who will pay for them?
4. What happens to the sunk capital costs if the whole AI bubble goes tits-up?
5. What does this do to electric rates for everybody else?
6. Will promoters of data center development concern themselves with water availability?

1. Answer - Not quickly enough to satisfy the tech bros and bubble-pumpers.
2. Answer - Potentially, but utilities are famously conservative businesses, unlikely to "take a chance" on something as hyped as this without ironclad guarantees from the state.
3. Answer - Ratepayers, with maybe a smidge covered by the AI and Crypto-bro companies.
4. Answer - Ratepayers, and probably taxpayers nationwide.
5. Answer - Rates go up, probably by a lot.
6. Answer - No. Problematic when you consider how eager investors are for AI facilities in places like Texas, Arizona, southern California, Nevada etc.

That's the best-case short-term scenario.

The worst-case long-term scenario is that the hype and bullshit attendant upon Shiny New Tech Big Money Thing succeeds and much of it gets built. With new NG coming on line en masse, with coal retirements postponed and old coal plants taken out of mothballs, this means that whatever vanishingly small chance we had of dodging the
double climate canister at 50 yards that Gaia is loading for us drops to zero.

But hey, we got to dream about Shiny New Tech Big Money Thing for a while, and writing term papers got marginally easier, and a few people you wouldn't lend your phone to got really, really rich.

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I hope it replaces all of the investment bankers VMA131Marine Friday #1
I have worked with various forms of AI since the 1980s. Metaphorical Friday #2
I'm really not asserting that this is what will happen, but I believe machines capable of tasks on that scale AZJonnie Friday #3
Yes, I agree that is the selling point being used. Hugin Friday #5
Oh, I absolutely agree with that Metaphorical Friday #21
My own cursory queries bear out the approximate 30% error rate. Hugin Friday #4
Good points and good analysis. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #6
You could have chosen any number of similar pie in the sky examples and they'd all be dreams but not selling points. Bernardo de La Paz Friday #7
Sure, I use Gemini Agentic via CLI everyday. But all I'm talking about is a collection of agents that effectively talk AZJonnie Friday #9
Remember that most agentic calls Metaphorical Friday #22
Well yeah I don't have Gemini running locally like I do Ollama and a couple other models AZJonnie Friday #23
Helpful Starbeach Friday #8
Too long to read. I'll bookmark it. QueerDuck Friday #10
And you'll end up with a 90k sqft ballroom LetsGetSmartAboutIt Friday #11
Stupid Question About AI Bibbers Friday #12
Some amateur answers... Hugin Friday #14
+1 leftstreet Friday #15
Thanks so much! Bibbers Yesterday #31
What a pile of bullshit. hunter Friday #13
The coding is useful...but the resto is just bullshit and will crash...the AI companies are Demsrule86 Friday #16
Yeah. I probably didn't make clear enough that my point was more political than technical AZJonnie Friday #17
I didn't mean to call you out...just interests me...I love computers and coding. Demsrule86 Saturday #30
I've seen too many articles on problems with AI coding including security risks that aren't caught to be highplainsdem Friday #18
I probably should have made it more clear that my point was more political than technical AZJonnie Friday #19
That's very interesting, but I think there is a flaw in that MineralMan Friday #20
I really didn't mean it's definitely going to work and building a building was just a convenient illustration AZJonnie Friday #25
All well and good, but the energy demand will kill us (financially and literally) . . . . hatrack Friday #24
Yeah I certainly did not to have it come off sounding like it's all a 'good thing' ESPECIALLY not for the climate AZJonnie Friday #27
Priceline refund works on AI Turbineguy Friday #26
Fascinating discussion. Thank you all. cachukis Friday #28
AI, as both a technology and a commodity, is in its infancy, but this thread makes some nice points Ilikepurple Friday #29
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