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MichMan

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30. It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:22 AM
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People are taxed to provide a K-12 education, yet the educational system is such an abject failure, that many college students have to pay thousands of dollars to learn material that they already should know. In 2024, 25% of those Freshmen having to take remedial math college classes actually received a 4.0 in their High School math courses. Just what they hell were they being taught?


High GPAs And Test Optional Mask Poor Math Skills At College

UC San Diego’s own faculty report shows a thirtyfold jump since 2020 in freshmen arriving with math skills below the middle-school level, raising concerns about admissions practices and student readiness.

A new report from UC San Diego’s Academic Senate highlights something incredibly concerning about the state of higher education: the share of incoming freshmen who test below middle-school math standards has increased nearly thirtyfold in five years. The document (PDF File) describes an admissions system strained by policy shifts, pandemic education losses, grade inflation, and a widening gap between transcripts and actual skills. The findings are not coming from critics outside the institution. They are the university’s own.

And they point to a glaring problem at the heart of California’s public higher education system: more students are paying university-level tuition for instruction that veers closer to elementary school material. At the same time, academically stronger applicants (many of whom could have enrolled ready for college-level work) were likely turned away during a year of record demand.

Math 2, the university’s longstanding remedial course, was originally designed to address gaps from Algebra I, Geometry, and Algebra II - content California high schools must provide. But instructors during the 2023-24 academic year reported something new: many students could not perform skills typically taught in elementary and early middle school. In response, faculty redesigned Math 2 in 2024 to cover material aligned with grades 1 through 8 (yes, elementary and middle school level) and created an additional course, Math 3B, to catch-up missing high school topics.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/high-gpas-and-test-optional-mask-poor-math-skills-at-college/ar-AA1QoHtD?ocid=BingNewsVerp








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Given the outrageous cost of the tuition I can see why they would think that. drray23 Friday #1
but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades', Jack Valentino Saturday #88
There goes critical thinking skills, right out the window SheltieLover Friday #2
Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,... hlthe2b Friday #5
They will be gullible milestogo Friday #14
Not to mention history & civics! SheltieLover Friday #15
Critical thinking concludes college is too expensive leftstreet Friday #8
You don't need a four year degree for any of that fujiyamasan Saturday #22
Critical thinking is really a more advanced skill. Happy Hoosier Saturday #32
Agree - best English teacher I had in my life womanofthehills Saturday #90
4 year college should be free. SSJVegeta Friday #3
I have a MS PCB66 Saturday #38
Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way SSJVegeta Saturday #42
I don't know PCB66 Saturday #71
Trust me Ive known a lot of really deluded highly educated people too SSJVegeta Saturday #76
It's easier if you can get people to want being poorly educated. Turbineguy Friday #4
Anti-intellectualism is a cornerstone Happy Hoosier Saturday #33
Yes, you can fool some of the people all of the time. thought crime Saturday #81
Can he get us a discount?? The Madcap Friday #6
Ummmmm...... Lovie777 Friday #7
The leaders running the USA into the ground Progressive dog Friday #11
Oh, They Teach That ProfessorGAC Saturday #29
I like to ask my economics colleagues if they have figured out tariffs yet Redleg Saturday #51
Beauty! ProfessorGAC Saturday #58
I was fortunate to have some good econ professors in grad school Redleg Saturday #59
Good To Hear ProfessorGAC Saturday #65
You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top bucolic_frolic Friday #9
I can relate to that DFW Saturday #26
About time someone realized most 4-year degrees are worthless Lettuce Be Friday #10
Yes indeed and it is a rational conclusion given the current moniss Friday #12
I don't know what a college degree is worth in the age of AI newdeal2 Friday #13
$1.5 Million Johnny2X2X Saturday #34
So far, AI can't really replace thinking. Happy Hoosier Saturday #35
There is job loss already newdeal2 Saturday #43
In the age of AI, a Math degree is Golden-$$. thought crime Saturday #82
Congratulations, Higher Ed. You've priced yourself out of students! intheflow Friday #16
Prices are out of control... Happy Hoosier Saturday #36
Decreased state and federal funds... róisín_dubh Saturday #44
Yet, blue states don't seem to be any cheaper than red states n/t MichMan Saturday #61
Yes. I did mention Federal funding as well. róisín_dubh Saturday #87
That's 100% true in the state of Wisconsin. Greybnk48 Saturday #62
Thank you! I used to work at a community college, and that was the case there. raccoon Saturday #66
That means that people do not understand murielm99 Friday #17
seeing how many college-educated people are complete idiots Skittles Saturday #23
C's get degrees. Happy Hoosier Saturday #37
Unlike Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average MichMan Saturday #89
We're about 20-30 years late on this one Sympthsical Friday #18
+1 leftstreet Friday #19
Yes, What Trump is doing is wrong but I have a hard time supporting JI7 Saturday #25
And it's an important distinction Sympthsical Saturday #28
I think you're wrong here.... Happy Hoosier Saturday #39
Yup, especially the last part. róisín_dubh Saturday #45
What's your disagreement specifically? Sympthsical Saturday #46
People need to be realistic JI7 Friday #20
There's no free lunch here fujiyamasan Saturday #21
Okay, there is no comparison mr715 Saturday #56
I never would have gone to college forty years ago. Jacson6 Saturday #24
Corporate and anti-intellectual propaganda marches on JCMach1 Saturday #27
Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened. Iris Saturday #70
100%, with no dissing of trades. JCMach1 Saturday #75
I worked at what people call a trade school - often called technical colleges now Iris Saturday #80
It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes MichMan Saturday #30
You know who does think it's worth it? Johnny2X2X Saturday #31
Absolutely true, IMO Happy Hoosier Saturday #40
Just disturbing to me the anti college rhetoric that has taken hold Johnny2X2X Saturday #41
Agreed Prairie Gates Saturday #48
THIS Iris Saturday #54
What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented Prairie Gates Saturday #47
I think you've simplified what the business disciplines are Redleg Saturday #52
You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in Prairie Gates Saturday #68
I appreciate that Redleg 9 hrs ago #91
Well said Iris Saturday #60
"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store." Jedi Guy Saturday #49
Everybody has an anecdote about some student with a French poetry degree Johnny2X2X Saturday #50
It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed Iris Saturday #63
Well yeah. Johnny2X2X Saturday #64
GenX got jobs with these degrees without internships and co-ops Iris Saturday #69
Not this Gen Xer Johnny2X2X Saturday #72
I think collleges are more intentional about internships and co/ops now Iris Saturday #73
Agree Johnny2X2X Saturday #74
I know this was starting to happen with teaching in the early 90s Iris Saturday #79
There were no internships in my profession and Boomers JCMach1 Saturday #77
My kids have college degrees and they aren't making much ALBliberal Saturday #53
If we reduce everything to dollars mr715 Saturday #55
If you take 2 years tuition and plunk it in Tech growth stocks bucolic_frolic Saturday #57
Just making the argument for Free Public Colleges JCMach1 Saturday #78
If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ? MichMan Saturday #84
As someone who has spent more than a little time in college classrooms... WarGamer Saturday #67
A better poll question as AI and Data Science grow in importance: Is a Math degree worth the cost and effort? thought crime Saturday #83
The Dumbing Down of America... BH liberal Saturday #85
It is hard to digest when it causes so much debt and even without college debt, salaries are still not great for most themaguffin Saturday #86
Not with its current cost Torchlight 9 hrs ago #92
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