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In reply to the discussion: Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all]Sympthsical
(10,792 posts)46. What's your disagreement specifically?
"The academics I know (including my wife) focus intensely on relaying transferable skills that have value in a wide variety of settings
research, source vetting, constructing and supporting an effective argument. Unless youre going for a professional degree, it almost doesnt matter what you study. It matters what skills you acquire."
I've taken these classes. They usually fall under writing and research courses that freshman commonly take. If you're advancing to degrees like English and History, you'll probably develop these more deeply.
Now. You've been on the Internet. You've met people. Do you see those skills in use on a daily basis among people with undergraduate degrees? That they vet sources, laterally read, digest context - hell, actually read entire articles past the headlines and maybe three sentences? How many are reading an article and thinking, "Hmm. I don't know if this is true. I should read more articles from varied sources to make sure I fully understand this?" I know where I land on this. Running into people who do that is like encountering a unicorn in the wild.
The problem - again, for the vast majority of degree holders - is that college is easy, disposable content that costs way, way too much money and ultimately isn't necessary for what they end up doing afterward (outside of specific fields). Who fails out of an undergraduate program these days? I'm not talking about dropping out due to financial difficulties, life situation, or changes in wants and goals. I'm talking about failed out because the content is even passingly challenging?
And let me meet you in the middle on this - I don't think it's the professors' fault. I've read article after article and heard from teachers in my own life that they are being passed students from K-12 who do not have the same reading, writing, and math skills they used to. They are pressured by the administration to make their courses easier and to pass as many students as they can. Because the students are paying for a product - the degree - and they need to get what they're paying for.
Hell, just go through this Reddit thread and tell me there isn't a massive problem with the cost vs. benefit college currently represents:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Professors/comments/1hnk08c/is_college_nowadays_easier_or_harder_than_before/
And to meet you in the middle again - it's not just college. Ask people in for-profit hospitals about the endless performance and customer satisfaction evaluations. Sure, we just saved your life, but were we sufficiently acquiescent to the custo . . . er, patient?
This country has a broken psychology because of profit motives.
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Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all]
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Friday
OP
but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades',
Jack Valentino
Saturday
#88
Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,...
hlthe2b
Friday
#5
Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way
SSJVegeta
Saturday
#42
You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top
bucolic_frolic
Friday
#9
Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened.
Iris
Saturday
#70
It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes
MichMan
Saturday
#30
What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented
Prairie Gates
Saturday
#47
"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store."
Jedi Guy
Saturday
#49
It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed
Iris
Saturday
#63
If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ?
MichMan
Saturday
#84