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ProfessorGAC

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58. Beauty!

Sat Nov 29, 2025, 12:14 PM

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They know, but so many economists have a mile wide libertarian streak, that tariffs are a conundrum.
They don't want government involving itself in business in any way, but tariffs can justify lower taxes (in theory).
Enough to make their head explode.
I had a gift membership in the Chicago Economics Club for 5 years in the late 90s - early aughts.
Quite an eye opener.

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Decreased state and federal funds... róisín_dubh Saturday #44

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