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29. Never believed Epstein committed suicide

Tue Dec 23, 2025, 09:12 PM

Dec 23

Simple details made suicide impossible for me to believe. First he was as much a narcissist as Trump. Narcissists rarely kill themselves.

Second, he knew too much about Trump while he had all the resources available to the President of the United States. Think through that for just a moment.

Then the strange issues with the guards who were not there and the cameras that were expertly disabled for just the right time period.

Then the motive. Epstein had the goods on Trump and probably telegraphed that to him.

The autopsy revealed things that wouldn’t have been there in a simple jailhouse self hanging.

It goes on and on.

This is a demonstration of Occam’s Razor. When everything is brushed away and only one thing remains then that must be the truth.

This is a very Sherlockian story.

When I saw that Epstein had said in an email that Trump was the dog who didn’t bark I almost spit my coffee across the room. How unintentionally apropos.

But how normal that this instinctively Machiavellian man Epstein would see what Trump’s moves would be and that he was a walking dead man.

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I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered... [View all] kentuck Dec 23 OP

Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Dec 23 #1

His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Dec 23 #2

We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Dec 23 #9

Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife Dec 24 #64

Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #72

I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Dec 23 #7

I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #38

Yes and yes. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #47

Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #50

I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia Dec 24 #62

I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #63

I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles Dec 24 #65

I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #68

I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 24 #70

Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #73

the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC Dec 24 #82

His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Dec 23 #3

Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Dec 23 #4

Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Dec 23 #5

No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Dec 23 #11

Coincidences... 2naSalit Dec 23 #6

Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill Dec 23 #19

Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain Dec 24 #76

And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Dec 23 #8

Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Dec 23 #14

A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #39

Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 Dec 24 #51

Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Dec 23 #10

I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Dec 23 #13

LOL, that's good. flvegan Dec 23 #32

I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Dec 23 #45

I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Dec 23 #12

he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus Dec 23 #15

That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan Dec 23 #34

And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #49

Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman Dec 24 #77

Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #79

I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine Dec 23 #16

Me, too. Joinfortmill Dec 23 #17

LOL Skittles Dec 23 #18

Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux Dec 23 #20

And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan Dec 24 #89

Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 23 #21

I never had a doubt. tavernier Dec 23 #22

Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn Dec 23 #23

Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ Dec 23 #24

Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri Dec 23 #26

I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo Dec 24 #55

Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan Dec 23 #35

Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 Dec 23 #25

Beginning? nt BWdem4life Dec 23 #27

Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile Dec 23 #28

Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro Dec 23 #29

Yup. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #41

I have suspected this all along. evolves Dec 23 #30

I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob Dec 23 #31

Is water wet? usonian Dec 23 #33

It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 Dec 23 #36

I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin Dec 23 #42

I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF Dec 23 #37

I always thought it went something like this. Iggo Dec 23 #40

Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo Dec 23 #43

I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous Dec 23 #44

His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin Dec 24 #46

K&R spanone Dec 24 #48

Duh! malaise Dec 24 #53

🤣 spanone Dec 24 #54

I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson Dec 24 #52

Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 Dec 24 #58

Agreed... Mike Nelson Dec 24 #59

Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 Dec 24 #61

I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex Dec 24 #56

... Prairie Gates Dec 24 #57

If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo Dec 24 #60

Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote Dec 24 #66

A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog Dec 24 #67

While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue Dec 24 #69

I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy Dec 24 #71

Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf Dec 24 #74

Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun Dec 24 #75

I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman Dec 24 #78

A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC Dec 24 #80

a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC Dec 24 #81

Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 24 #83

Good Morning! Akakoji Dec 24 #84

Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 Dec 24 #85

I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See Dec 24 #86

Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM Dec 24 #87

If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan Dec 24 #88