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Mike Nelson

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59. Agreed...

Reply to Scrivener7 (Reply #58)

Wed Dec 24, 2025, 08:39 AM

Dec 24

... still, I think it's worth investigating who sent the letter.

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I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered... [View all] kentuck Dec 23 OP

Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Dec 23 #1

His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Dec 23 #2

We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Dec 23 #9

Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife Dec 24 #64

Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #72

I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Dec 23 #7

I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #38

Yes and yes. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #47

Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #50

I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia Dec 24 #62

I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #63

I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles Dec 24 #65

I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #68

I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 24 #70

Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #73

the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC Dec 24 #82

His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Dec 23 #3

Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Dec 23 #4

Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Dec 23 #5

No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Dec 23 #11

Coincidences... 2naSalit Dec 23 #6

Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill Dec 23 #19

Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain Dec 24 #76

And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Dec 23 #8

Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Dec 23 #14

A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #39

Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 Dec 24 #51

Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Dec 23 #10

I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Dec 23 #13

LOL, that's good. flvegan Dec 23 #32

I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Dec 23 #45

I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Dec 23 #12

he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus Dec 23 #15

That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan Dec 23 #34

And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #49

Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman Dec 24 #77

Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem Dec 24 #79

I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine Dec 23 #16

Me, too. Joinfortmill Dec 23 #17

LOL Skittles Dec 23 #18

Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux Dec 23 #20

And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan Dec 24 #89

Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 23 #21

I never had a doubt. tavernier Dec 23 #22

Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn Dec 23 #23

Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ Dec 23 #24

Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri Dec 23 #26

I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo Dec 24 #55

Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan Dec 23 #35

Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 Dec 23 #25

Beginning? nt BWdem4life Dec 23 #27

Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile Dec 23 #28

Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro Dec 23 #29

Yup. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #41

I have suspected this all along. evolves Dec 23 #30

I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob Dec 23 #31

Is water wet? usonian Dec 23 #33

It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 Dec 23 #36

I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin Dec 23 #42

I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF Dec 23 #37

I always thought it went something like this. Iggo Dec 23 #40

Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo Dec 23 #43

I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous Dec 23 #44

His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin Dec 24 #46

K&R spanone Dec 24 #48

Duh! malaise Dec 24 #53

🤣 spanone Dec 24 #54

I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson Dec 24 #52

Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 Dec 24 #58

Agreed... Mike Nelson Dec 24 #59

Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 Dec 24 #61

I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex Dec 24 #56

... Prairie Gates Dec 24 #57

If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo Dec 24 #60

Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote Dec 24 #66

A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog Dec 24 #67

While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue Dec 24 #69

I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy Dec 24 #71

Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf Dec 24 #74

Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun Dec 24 #75

I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman Dec 24 #78

A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC Dec 24 #80

a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC Dec 24 #81

Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 24 #83

Good Morning! Akakoji Dec 24 #84

Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 Dec 24 #85

I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See Dec 24 #86

Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM Dec 24 #87

If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan Dec 24 #88