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mr715

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75. No.

Wed Jan 21, 2026, 07:24 PM

Jan 21

He is providing a permission structure to allow Democrats to vote how they want.

He, as leader, should not be doing this. if he were in fact a strong leader, he'd have held this position publically from the day of the murder of Renee Good. He didn't. He waited and led from behind.

When ICE murders another person, because they will, is that enough incentive for Leader Jeffries to whip votes?

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Jeffries Won't Whip Vote Against ICE Funding [View all] Celerity Jan 21 OP

Maybe its time to pass the mantle sboatcar Jan 21 #1

Exactly why focusing just on age isn't a good strategy newdeal2 Jan 21 #14

I have been skeptical of Jeffries from the start mr715 Jan 21 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author helpisontheway Jan 21 #109

He is such a weak minority leader! I miss Pelosi!! Nt helpisontheway Jan 21 #111

Maybe it is time to pass the mantle to someone Who Is Strong. I want someone strong like Iron Man. Trueblue1968 Jan 21 #121

Jeffries needs to hear from the nationwide Democratic rank-and-file voters---- like us! Jack Valentino Thursday #148

Jeffries has publicly announced that he will vote against ICE funding--- not a small thing, Jack Valentino Thursday #152

With friends like these.... JBTaurus83 Jan 21 #2

WTF? leftstreet Jan 21 #3

So those attacking Jeffries a few weeks ago for not wanting to cut ICE funding were full of shit. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #4

There are some JBTaurus83 Jan 21 #7

And the ones attacking good Democrats are usually those who are in a place of privilege and won't get hurt regardless. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #19

"Attacking good Democrats" mr715 Jan 21 #23

And there is never anyone good enough -- funny how that works. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #128

"These same people" mr715 Jan 21 #129

The people who think Jeffries isn't good enough, Pelosi wasn't good enough... W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #133

Not all of those unfortunately...were good enough Melon Thursday #153

For anyone that thinks they weren't good enough, I don't want to hear a goddamn word about the hell we find ourselves in W_HAMILTON Thursday #179

Wow these purity tests. nt mr715 Thursday #183

You think voting for the Democrat and the only person that could have stopped all this from happening is a purity test? W_HAMILTON Thursday #184

No, I think your insistence mr715 Thursday #187

Except not marching in lockstep is what drove us off the cliff here. W_HAMILTON Friday #194

Do you think I didn't vote for Kamala Harris? nt mr715 Friday #197

Do you think your criticisms are in a vacuum? W_HAMILTON Friday #199

I supported Pelosi, Hillary, Biden and Kamala. And my mind is open about Newsom. Scrivener7 Thursday #172

What a bizarro world. Jeffries is almost always in lockstep with the vast majority of Democratic reps. W_HAMILTON Thursday #180

Yes, Pelosi was accused of personally preventing an impeachment vote because of devious personal reasons. betsuni Jan 21 #143

I was a huge Pelosi supporter JBTaurus83 Thursday #149

I forgot the constant hysteria that 10,000-year-old Pelosi was clinging to power, would never ever never retire betsuni Thursday #161

I was a big Hillary and Kamala JBTaurus83 Jan 21 #42

A woman was shot in the face mr715 Jan 21 #44

I agree with you JBTaurus83 Jan 21 #47

Oh I know, I'm just coming in hot. mr715 Jan 21 #51

Heh, I doubt even a Xanax would work on me. OldBaldy1701E Thursday #167

And the problem is that to help them we have to hurt even more people. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #136

If you won't stand up for the lives of your fellow citizens iemanja Jan 21 #138

Stand up for them before it gets to the point where standing up for them does nothing. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #140

Hitler succeeded because good people failed to act. iemanja Jan 21 #144

Yeah, and those """good people""" failed to act when they let Trump seize power.... W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #146

Your pique about the past is blinding you to the urgency of the present. No one here voted for trump. Scrivener7 Thursday #174

My pique for the past was once the urgency of the present. W_HAMILTON Thursday #181

And everyone here votes for the Democrats. But for some reason you insist on acting Scrivener7 Thursday #185

Sure could have fooled me, with how some incessantly criticize Democrats. W_HAMILTON Friday #195

Oh, FFS. So your issue is that you feel people didn't pay enough attention to you in the past, and Scrivener7 Friday #196

The issue is that people didn't heed the warnings from myself and others. W_HAMILTON Friday #198

Blaming Democrats again, I see. Scrivener7 Friday #200

Or he's feeling pressure from the base EdmondDantes_ Jan 21 #27

The base wouldn't want him to fight back? SergeStorms Jan 21 #59

That's what I mean EdmondDantes_ Jan 21 #67

Depends on which "base"... slightlv Jan 21 #91

Given how we've seen this play out before, I can. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #130

Thoughts don't matter iemanja Jan 21 #131

And if people had supported good Democrats instead of nitpicking them from office, we wouldn't have that problem. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #137

Nor as long as Democrats don't act iemanja Jan 21 #139

Fuck that. A Democrat """not acting""" is still better than the best Republican. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #141

So you won't bother making a phone call? iemanja Jan 21 #142

No, because I don't buy into the conspiracy that Democraric leadership fucking wants ICE ravaging our streets. W_HAMILTON Jan 21 #145

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Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay............... Celerity Jan 21 #6

You sound like you should get out of your mother's basement and get a job. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #9

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Dear Jury: this guys' name is "you sound vaccinated." His schtick is - I think, because it' sounds pretty meth addled - Scrivener7 Jan 21 #11

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Pretty sure it's Library Girl Emile Jan 21 #24

Ah! Of course. Such a pitiful creature. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #25

She gone for now Emile Jan 21 #29

That happened quickly. mr715 Jan 21 #32

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LG you back so soon? Emile Jan 21 #49

Three times a charm?! sheshe2 Jan 21 #52

LOL , she is a Weirdo. Emile Jan 21 #54

She sure took a sprint through this thread. 🤪 sheshe2 Jan 21 #58

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Darn, I missed all the fun. Was our old friend lg on a tear again? niyad Jan 21 #81

hmmm, I have seen that user name several other places on youtube. niyad Jan 21 #83

Jesus. It's because "they're terrified of being labeled anti law enforcement." While a rogue militia Scrivener7 Jan 21 #8

If he were to be elected Speaker, he'd control the agenda. mr715 Jan 21 #20

I advise to have ZERO expectations if he becomes speaker. More foot dragging Bread and Circuses Jan 21 #38

We can't get much without Trump... mr715 Jan 21 #41

Why can't another Rep, (AOC, Crow, Frost. or?) challenge Jeffries' Ars Longa Jan 21 #45

They can. mr715 Jan 21 #48

And people lament that the party's approval rating is poor... RockRaven Jan 21 #12

Oo! Oo! I know!! mr715 Jan 21 #50

Wait-a-sec... mr715 Jan 21 #16

While I'd much prefer they be more forceful I understand the hesitation EdmondDantes_ Jan 21 #17

That's terrible. H2O Man Jan 21 #18

Without strong leadership we are sunk. Nanjeanne Jan 21 #26

Uh huh. mr715 Jan 21 #30

He doesn't care. These are bench warmers , at best Bread and Circuses Jan 21 #35

He could be a competent back bencher mr715 Jan 21 #39

We've fallen through the Ice. No one to help us Bread and Circuses Jan 21 #37

My guess is SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #31

That's exactly it. Quiet Em Jan 21 #53

If you're a democratic rep SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #57

So let 'em! mr715 Jan 21 #60

Most people in R+24 districts SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #61

Why broadcast it!? mr715 Jan 21 #63

He probably already knows that a number of Democrats SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #71

100% Wrong mr715 Jan 21 #73

He is letting Democrats vote how they want SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #74

No. mr715 Jan 21 #75

If you want to see ICE held accountable SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #76

Yes, there is. mr715 Jan 21 #84

No there isn't SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #87

We very much disagree. nt mr715 Jan 21 #90

Yes we do SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #98

But I don't think you improve your chances of winning control of congress by not fighting such an important issue crimycarny Jan 21 #106

Rather than read a room SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #112

We can disagree without disparaging either other, can't we? crimycarny Jan 21 #114

I was implying nothing personal SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #116

Abolishing ICE versus not extra funding crimycarny Jan 21 #118

Funding ICE is not the same as SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #147

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree crimycarny Thursday #154

Either way it's irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #155

I don't think for those in Minnesota see a yes vote for the ICE funding as irrelevant crimycarny Thursday #157

It's irrelevant because it will pass anyway SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #158

Certainly worked great in 2024 crimycarny Thursday #159

Why not stick to the issue at hand SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #160

Then let us resign ourselves mr715 Thursday #168

I'm not a member of Congress SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #169

Too bad they can't learn from the Repukes when they were out of power LearnedHand Jan 21 #115

Yet democrats are leading in the polls SocialDemocrat61 Jan 21 #117

Talk about NOT meeting the moment. Bread and Circuses Jan 21 #33

Not leading? Not following? Choose option C. Maru Kitteh Jan 21 #34

Lets get real zen about our position on murder. mr715 Jan 21 #43

Our masked racist militia needs better training LuvLoogie Jan 21 #36

I know that we are all experts & understand politics & Congress more than him, but what if... themaguffin Jan 21 #40

Whatever that larger strategy is, it's painfully clear it's not working. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #89

Not every strategy is an action in the moment. Look, I would love for them to... themaguffin Thursday #165

I think all of us can look at the results of his continuous selection of the weakest possible response to a given Scrivener7 Thursday #171

Again, they to do whatever is that they actually can do. I'm referring to more than words themaguffin Thursday #173

What does it hurt if we stand united for the obvious right and moral thing, even if we don't win? Scrivener7 Thursday #175

I didn't say otherwise. That wasn't my point themaguffin Thursday #176

So how does this "whip" work? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 21 #62

For some folks, performative outage is the entire show. tritsofme Jan 21 #79

Here you go: Scrivener7 Jan 21 #93

When impeachment rolls around... mr715 Jan 21 #99

Gotta be some stupid bug Timewas Jan 21 #64

I consider this a litmus test KT2000 Jan 21 #65

It has been (at least) one public murder. mr715 Jan 21 #68

Are there issues for which he will whip votes? hatrack Jan 21 #66

On bills denouncing the horrors of socialism... nt mr715 Jan 21 #69

Seriously. If this isn't important enough to him, I truly wonder what is. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #94

Precisely. If you won't oppose this, why have an "Opposition"? hatrack Jan 21 #97

"Presidents come presidents go. And through it all God is still on his throne" Autumn Thursday #166

WEAK Renew Deal Jan 21 #70

This is why the country's political system is a failure fujiyamasan Jan 21 #72

What??? Why???!! AllyCat Jan 21 #77

HERE is a house leader. usonian Jan 21 #78

I wonder if Nancy is going along with this, or if behind the scenes, Ars Longa Jan 21 #86

Watch how she votes. But we know how she'll vote. mr715 Jan 21 #92

I hope H.Jeffries is listening to Nancy behind the scenes.. Ars Longa Jan 21 #104

When did it get to the point that it's acceptable BlueKota Jan 21 #80

Great post. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #96

Thank you! BlueKota Jan 21 #124

Maybe European leaders learned from Neville Chamnerlain. usonian Jan 21 #113

It's sad how many people in this country BlueKota Jan 21 #125

It only "proves" to them their "rightness" of their cause, and the gullibility of others. usonian Jan 21 #135

Well said, and I agree Bayard Jan 21 #127

There it is.. Cirsium Jan 21 #82

Is he daring any Democrats to vote for the DHS bill? patphil Jan 21 #85

"They're terrified of being labeled anti-law enforcement," rather than doing the right thing Mr. Sparkle Jan 21 #88

We will be a perpetual minority mr715 Jan 21 #95

Well stated!!!!! Scubamatt Jan 21 #123

This is not law enforcement. BarbD Jan 21 #103

Come on down to Crazy Atacama's! Sympthsical Jan 21 #100

"Defeat from the jaws of victory" nt mr715 Jan 21 #102

We need a House leader who walks the walk. La Coliniere Jan 21 #101

He is afraid to whip votes against the DHS funding bill because it would look like dems are anti-ICE. mysteryowl Jan 21 #105

Any Democrat who isn't anti-ICE mr715 Jan 21 #108

I hope he is primaried SheltieLover Jan 21 #107

Primaries are good and healthy mr715 Jan 21 #110

Even AOC and Mamdani discouraged primarying him. W_HAMILTON Thursday #182

Primaries are good and healthy. mr715 Thursday #186

DSA acolyte Chi Osse filed the paperwork, but then he got the memo from both AOC and Mamdani lapucelle Thursday #188

As for Jeffries, he says "Bring it on". lapucelle Thursday #189

This is the right posture, no? mr715 Thursday #190

Ask AOC and Mamdani. They're the ones clearly against primarying Jeffries. lapucelle Thursday #191

They're wrong? nt mr715 Thursday #192

nt? lapucelle Thursday #193

Defunding isn't just for ICE, it's for DHS as a whole Warpy Jan 21 #119

From another source: littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #120

Pathetic . . . Scubamatt Jan 21 #122

Post removed Post removed Jan 21 #126

Oh heck, the headline doesn't get me worked up in a frothy hate at Democrats -- not sure why I should despise Jeffries. betsuni Jan 21 #132

Trump has unleashed a Gestapo that is killing us iemanja Jan 21 #134

Don't worry just let the rich leadership fix it JBTaurus83 Thursday #150

Sorry, I'm Through with Him and All the Rest of the D Leadership The Roux Comes First Thursday #151

Hakeem goes the Schumer playbook Sewa Thursday #162

It's the job of elected officials.... returnee Thursday #163

Of course he won't. nt Autumn Thursday #164

Maybe because he wants to win the House gulliver Thursday #170

"Emotion first"!? iemanja Thursday #178

usonian has a thread of action items, including a phone # to call Jeffries and tell him to whip this damn thing. Scrivener7 Thursday #177

If that's the case Jilly_in_VA Friday #201