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Ms. Toad

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14. I said nothing about college exams not mattering.
Tue Feb 10, 2026, 02:00 PM
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What I said is that the bar exam is not an indication of competency in the law.

While I'm not overly thrilled with the emphasis on traditional, one exam per course decides your fate tradition, that is changing, especially after the first year. The current law school evaluation of competency is based on performance of tasks much more closely related to the practice of law than the bar exam is. Evaluations are made by dozens of individuals who each have an opportunity to interact with you in the classroom for months each semester and who are better able to assess whether you actually know the law and legal analysis - or are just confidently spouting BS that sounds good.

I regularly reviewed essays written on the bar exam - BS essays, written with confidence - even when completely wrong from a legal perspective - tend to earn higher scores than those more legally accurate, but written less confidently.

Which brings me to ChatGPT (and the claims that it passed the bar exam). ChatGPT is the confident but stupid student taken to the extreme. It spouts legal gibberish with absolute confidence - which tends to score well on the bar exam. For a while, Ohio had essays that did actually test Ohio law. I tested ChatGPT on some of those essays. It applied the nonsense law used in the current exam (near opposite to Ohio law). I reminded it that Ohio law was different It apologized and spouted the same nonsense. I corrected it, and gave it the specific law. It apologized again, and it still ignored the law. It was only when I expressly connected it's application of the law to the elements it was messing up that it finally got it right.

But - it's first answer would have passed, and was -in fact- similar to the published (legally incorrect) answer that year. (Each year they publish a single essay that earned a high score). So no, ChatGPT isn't a substitute for a law license, and in fact supports my position that the credentialing exam has little to do with whether a person with a JD is actually competent to practice the law.

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I once read about a law student who needed want three times as long... 3catwoman3 Tuesday #1
Extra time on exams doesn't translate directly into extra time to do the work. Ms. Toad Tuesday #3
I'm sure there are people skilled enough to fly airplanes, but lack FAA certification, or skilled unlicensed dentists MichMan Tuesday #5
I have no knowledge of how well the credentialing process works for flying or dentistry Ms. Toad Tuesday #7
Why require a law degree at all? MichMan Tuesday #11
I said nothing about college exams not mattering. Ms. Toad Tuesday #14
"Exams are artificial settings to treat knowledge that are never encountered in real life." MichMan Tuesday #15
Oh noes!!! Extra time???? Those commies! Scrivener7 Tuesday #2
"As more elite students get accommodations, the system worsens the problem it was designed to solve." MichMan Tuesday #6
Kick dalton99a Tuesday #4
Why not eliminate the "advantage" and give everyone more time? WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #8
I suspect, regardless of how much time was allowed, there are those that would still say they need more time. MichMan Tuesday #9
Why not try it? WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #10
How much time? MichMan Tuesday #12
The last time I saw a professor try that he finally went up to the last student to finish ... eppur_se_muova Wednesday #16
So many of our problems are the direct result of the republican party's meddling. Initech Tuesday #13
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